A lot of voice actors have been talking about how this contract was nothing but lawyer drivel that really would have screwed VAs out of money at the end of the day.
Guys like Dee Bradley Baker who spend all day recording noises for the Grunts in Halo and other crazy sounds would stop getting paid as much because those are "atmospheric" voices.
The writers of the contract don't realize that games are all about "atmospheric" voices and that just because the character doesn't have a name or doesn't speak 300 words of written dialog does not mean that the character is not important or isn't a vocally stressful job.
The contract also never specified what a "written line" was. Do grunts and reactions count? Because depending on the title, those could outnumber actual words, and they are also much more stressful on the voice.
As a voice actor myself, I'm glad this got shot down, even though I'm looking into joining a pseudo-union or AFTRA in the future, not SAG. #industrynews
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@MindPrints: The SAG dues are often too much for new talent to afford and thus it is nearly impossible for them to produce.
Also, I'm all for an alliance of craftspeople but SAG is mainly an over-rated, industry-incestuous club comprised of self-absorbed morons and people that don't want to be in it but have to in order to get a job in the industry. #industrynews
If anybody in the UK was wondering, the government spends about $60 billion each year on defence spending. According to the 2007 figures that's second only to the U.S. and more than any other E.U. country at around 2.5% of our GDP.
Just take a second and imagine what just half of that could do if spent on education or healthcare.
@Weirdwolf: There's diminishing returns when it comes to education. Some of the best funded school systems in the US are the worst performing. D.C. schools spend $25,000 per student, yet almost none of them graduate from high school. My school system spent $4000 per student, and 98% of us went to college. You can't buy parent involvement or a stable family life.
As for health care, in the US, we already spend too much on the people who have it. The trick to fixing it is giving coverage to more people, while wasting less on the people who already have it. It's estimated that 40% of all spending is unnecessary.
On the other hand, your military actually needs more money. Just today, it was announced that the Territorial Army won't be training for six months due to lack of funding.
@jetRink: Well we have universal healthcare coverage over here and the NHS is wonderful but will always need more money.
As for the example of the D.C. education system whilst not totally applicable over here from what I know of the area surely that isn't a funding problem so much as a cultural one. The only way to improve that rate would be to educate people and improve the social structure to a point where graduating would be seen as a positive advantage rather than a pointless exercise.
Ah the SAS,(Saturdays and Sundays) the TA isn't like your National guard in that, while it is a voluntary organisation its role traditionally is very much one of a secondary support role. That has changed only fairly recently because of an over stretched force trying to deploy in too many arenas at once.
A lot of the budget for defence is being spent on a pretty much useless nuclear deterrent, for example renewing Trident is going to cost a minimum of $40 billion.
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Oh I love Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, I have the books sitting on my bookshelves. It's widely regarded in political circles as being rather more of an accurate depiction of Whitehall than it's comfortable to admit.
How would we defend ourselves against the French? Why the same way that every other nation does, by beating them soundly dear boy! ;-Þ
Oh believe me except in rather special circumstances I wish we could. Of course the special circumstances would include not sitting around when the NAZI's rolled through Europe...
Funny Story: I once had to explain to a patient how to inject Triple Mix without really knowing what it was for during a summer internship. While I was explaining to the patient how to do it over the phone, my supervisor was laughing hysterically. When I had finished, she asked me if i knew what the medication was for. She told me it was for ED and let's just say I turned a pale white when I put 2 and 2 together and figured out where the needle went.
IMO if it gets to the point where a needle is required to get it on...it's time to move on.
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So, the video game industry could pay for the Ruissian Military.
Also nice to know that there's only one single man on their, Mr Gates. Guess its lucky hes into philanthropy now.
also I'm confused? why does it have Iraq on one part being $200billion, but in the big purple square being $3000billion.
Same with Video game market being $32Billion, but Nintendo alone being $76billion, surely Ninty count as video game market?
@deanbmmv: There are two different Iraq statistics: that of the total estimated cost, and the yearly costs of 2006, 2007 and est 2009 cost.
The same goes for Nintendo and the Video Game Market. Nintendo's figure is their worth as indicated by the Nikkei Exchange, while the Video Game Market is probably yearly income from video games and video game-related sales.
@Ratfuzz: Problem isn't getting the money/food to feed the children, problem is getting the food TO the children. Most of the hungry children of the world are in places where corruption is so bad, the food would get diverted before it got anywhere near them.
It's not just corruption, from my rather dodgy memory of the figures I seem to recall that for every $1 that most third world countries get they are paying about $19 on debit interest!
U.N. drops food packages in Africa to feed starving people. Warlords apprehend said packages, keep them from the people, and now have even more leverage on them.
It's a problem that needs solving, but it's not so easy as "let's just send our porn money to every hungry child in the world!"
I'm not even going to get into the economics 101 of where that porn money comes from or how it actually affects the economy.
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Guys like Dee Bradley Baker who spend all day recording noises for the Grunts in Halo and other crazy sounds would stop getting paid as much because those are "atmospheric" voices.
The writers of the contract don't realize that games are all about "atmospheric" voices and that just because the character doesn't have a name or doesn't speak 300 words of written dialog does not mean that the character is not important or isn't a vocally stressful job.
The contract also never specified what a "written line" was. Do grunts and reactions count? Because depending on the title, those could outnumber actual words, and they are also much more stressful on the voice.
As a voice actor myself, I'm glad this got shot down, even though I'm looking into joining a pseudo-union or AFTRA in the future, not SAG. #industrynews
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That is one parasitic organization that needs to go. #industrynews
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Also, I'm all for an alliance of craftspeople but SAG is mainly an over-rated, industry-incestuous club comprised of self-absorbed morons and people that don't want to be in it but have to in order to get a job in the industry. #industrynews
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Just take a second and imagine what just half of that could do if spent on education or healthcare.
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As for health care, in the US, we already spend too much on the people who have it. The trick to fixing it is giving coverage to more people, while wasting less on the people who already have it. It's estimated that 40% of all spending is unnecessary.
On the other hand, your military actually needs more money. Just today, it was announced that the Territorial Army won't be training for six months due to lack of funding.
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As for the example of the D.C. education system whilst not totally applicable over here from what I know of the area surely that isn't a funding problem so much as a cultural one. The only way to improve that rate would be to educate people and improve the social structure to a point where graduating would be seen as a positive advantage rather than a pointless exercise.
Ah the SAS,(Saturdays and Sundays) the TA isn't like your National guard in that, while it is a voluntary organisation its role traditionally is very much one of a secondary support role. That has changed only fairly recently because of an over stretched force trying to deploy in too many arenas at once.
A lot of the budget for defence is being spent on a pretty much useless nuclear deterrent, for example renewing Trident is going to cost a minimum of $40 billion.
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Oh I love Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, I have the books sitting on my bookshelves. It's widely regarded in political circles as being rather more of an accurate depiction of Whitehall than it's comfortable to admit.
How would we defend ourselves against the French? Why the same way that every other nation does, by beating them soundly dear boy! ;-Þ
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Oh believe me except in rather special circumstances I wish we could. Of course the special circumstances would include not sitting around when the NAZI's rolled through Europe...
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IMO if it gets to the point where a needle is required to get it on...it's time to move on.
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Also nice to know that there's only one single man on their, Mr Gates. Guess its lucky hes into philanthropy now.
also I'm confused? why does it have Iraq on one part being $200billion, but in the big purple square being $3000billion.
Same with Video game market being $32Billion, but Nintendo alone being $76billion, surely Ninty count as video game market?
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The same goes for Nintendo and the Video Game Market. Nintendo's figure is their worth as indicated by the Nikkei Exchange, while the Video Game Market is probably yearly income from video games and video game-related sales.
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Ok fine, my bad.
"takes up" #screengrab
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Oooooh, I thought you meant that it doesn't take. LOL. #screengrab
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It's not just corruption, from my rather dodgy memory of the figures I seem to recall that for every $1 that most third world countries get they are paying about $19 on debit interest!
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U.N. drops food packages in Africa to feed starving people. Warlords apprehend said packages, keep them from the people, and now have even more leverage on them.
It's a problem that needs solving, but it's not so easy as "let's just send our porn money to every hungry child in the world!"
I'm not even going to get into the economics 101 of where that porn money comes from or how it actually affects the economy.
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That is unless you have cheats of course, but cheating comes with a price ;)
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I always refer to my piercing as "my precious"