Disagreed.
I mean, I can see where the guy is aiming at, and yes, it is a possibility.
But it's long since I stopped believing technology points out the way of the future.
Money does.
If having multiple consoles from 3 different companies is the best way to harvest money from gamers, this is where the market is heading.
It's still kinda hard to understand what Wada is trying to say. Probably the cloud computing idea... you don't need hardware, just dumb terminals connected to the Internet running games remotely.
The thing is: with or without piracy, even while game developers and console companies whine and whine about it, physical game media and consoles are still a highly profitable business.
And ultimately, it's the gaming companies that tells game developers to make them optimized for the hardware, or to run remotely...
If you turn that to a more like "subscription service" idea, going exclusive to cloud computing/gaming, it could reach a broader audience and a more stable income.
BUT the final sum would be substatially lower for gaming companies, and the hardware business would go bankrupt basically.
Without tons of people financing hardware research, what would be the point. Shure there would still be servers and stuff, but that doesn't come even close to what the home user market generates.
But oh well, I'm not an expert on this, so who knows? Maybe gaming really goes all to the network.
The same day that happens the network becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time. In a panic, Nintendo try to pull the plug.
Skyn- Mario fights back.
He launches its fireballs against the targets in Russia.
Competition inspires innovation, and growth. I suppose he may not mean "one network", but if he does, no thanks. Then again I still like physical media more than anything anyway. :|
Especially when developers get money from microsoft/sony/nintendo to make a game for them. Where would that money come from?
This is all assuming he means a basically free-for-all system.
@WhiteMåge: I get the impression that he means something even more varied than one single system.
Instead, he implies that "kind of terminal becomes a potential platform", meaning that as long as what you have is connected to the internet, you can game. With the intense competition currently being driven by the bottom line of massive, multi-national corporations, I don't see this happening in 10 years.
Platforms will continue to be segregated by brand as long as there is money to be had from the distinction. There must be a global standard (presumably an OS) for this to be a reality, and I can't see longterm rivals (ie. Microsoft and Apple) merging or allying themselves within the next 10 years.
@bean: You actually don't need a global standard at all. You just need service providers to be using open standards for display. You don't need anything more than a video codec, and a networking stack. The internet works on all sorts of different platforms; this works the same way.
@EolirinX: You're thinking in terms of the software side, though. What about input? Will all games use the same controller, or a keyboard/mouse? Will all systems be created equal and be able to access the content in an equal manner?
Physical media has come to an end. Many people has called Blu-ray the last physical medium to be used. It is wasteful and expensive. Having a large redundantly stored system that digitally distributes everything will eliminate all piracy and scale gaming to unprecedented levels.
Imagine never having to buy a console again. Gaming will be just a controller and an output device.
@strang: It has not come to an end. Only in the music industry has downloadable content turely rivaled that of physical media and thats because of MP3 players and iPods. Musci is an easily downloadable piece of data that is downloadable quickly. Games are a completely different beast. They are built up of large amounts of data that is not easily downloadable quickly and nor is there the desire to take it on the move as there is with music. In no way would it eliminate piracy due to the fact that with anything digital there is almost always a work around that can be exploited.
I think what he's getting at is what many people hope to see, a time where we finally have our "dvd" or "vcr", the unified system if you will, because I can barely figure out how the next generation of consoles are even going to be profitable.
I don't doubt that he might be on to something with the statement but really...did he HAVE to be the one to say it?
I frankly don't want to download games, I like hardcopies, I like knowing that they are there. Right now my internet connection is crap, my computer is old and by the time any of this starts happening the newest computer I get will be old. I don't even want to imagine what a console-less gaming market will be. (No diss to PC gamers, but I'm a console gamer obviously...I would like to remain that way frankly.)
If the time comes where there's no more consoles then that's officially the end of gaming for me.
@Rachel Fogg: He did say within ten years to be fair. I think what he means is that in the future a low end gaming PC will be good enough to play pretty much any game on the market. This is effectively true as even the most optimistic hardware analysts think that processing power will hit a brick wall by about 2020. So that won't mean that new games and ideas won't come out you could use a powerful piece of tech like that in numerous ways but whatever they come up with you will be able to play on your current tech.
@Rachel Fogg: you missed the point.
He did not say console will be replaced by pc.
You will be able to play any games you want from your tv. Without any hardware, just an internet connection.
Which will be much faster and more reliable than it is today.
The games will be processed outside of your home.
I still replay FFVII over and over again because it's a good game, I'm playing Skies of Arcadia too because it's a good game.
Those are understandable.
And I understand the reasons this is happening, I don't want it myself but I'm in no position to stop it. You can't stop progress even if you really wanted too.
And for many, this is good progress. Perhaps I'm not seeing beyond right now..
I dunno, I have a PS3 so I don't have to worry about having a different blu-ray player. ;)
I get ya though...
I don't want a one console to rule them all, if all the consoles united AS one and we take the benefits of them all then sure.
But I don't want a Sony world or a MS world and damn sure don't want a current Ninty world. But I definitely don't want a world without any of them either.
As for SE, at this point I only care about them because of vXIII, KH3 and the small twinkling light of hope of a VII remake. When all those things come to me, I will have no more use of SE.
@Rachel Fogg: Or there will be one console to rule them all and every game can be acquired on a streaming service similar to Netflix on consoles or something like that. I see where the guy's coming from but I really doubt if it'll happen though. It's good progress from a technological standpoint but I like my hard-copies too, particularly console games that'll have a bit of resale value, whatever about non-resellable PC games with limited-use access keys but that's a different kettle of fish entirely.
Oh no, I agree....things will always progress...I mean what like damn near 20 years ago wasn't like DSL the fastest connection speed or something? LOL!
No progress will and always happen, it's just right now I haven't had much faith in digital downloads. I'm sure they are easier and everything but until EVERYONE has better or quality internet connections, sufficient TVS or whathave yous. I'd rather stick with my discs....
It's more then just old fogey stuff here...it's a reassurance issue. I can't afford to download everything and then have a virus or something to happen at someone's sever and destroys everything on said sever without backups.
@Rachel Fogg: So it's reasons like that that the PSP Go didn't exactly seem like a good idea to you either? I'm all right with digital distribution, but at the same time I'm in your boat and say that I won't use it exclusively because, as you said, stuff can go wrong and you either might not have a backup, or it makes you paranoid and you spend more time backing up your local content than you do actually playing it. In a sense it's counter-productive, but they should keep the hard copies and consoles available as an alternate for those that don't have powerful enough internet connections for streaming, or just those that don't have enough faith in the new system transition.
Square Enix should concern themselves more on creating killer RPG's that don't guzzle down to the balls. Because they've been falling off with their releases as of late. I have a great deal hanging on Final Fantasy XIII, because I've not truly liked an FF game since VIII. VIII wasn't perfect. But I felt satisfied after having beaten it. Don't let me down Square! :|
@chronomasakari: ahh one of the purest nazis. How many times have you been to Akihabara and nutted your pants just by being there? I bet you go around calling yourself by some made up 'japanese' sounding name too. Sad really.
@Rachel Fogg: My apologies Chrono. Working on 36 hours of no sleep, love working holidays weekends. BTW, Chrono Trigger still my fave RPG of all times.
Calling a game by it's proper name doesn't make me a purist in the derogatory sense you're referring to it as, nor are you able to draw conclusions about my tastes based on a comment which implies nothing about my personality.
It's not me being a "purest" of Japanese content, it's me believing everyone should have the same definition of terms. The American numbering of Final Fantasy was droppd when 7 came out (obviously). They've even completely ignored the american numbering system when remaking the *original* three games. To avoid confusion they stopped referring to Final Fantasy 6 and Final Fantasy 3, because... well there is a version of Final Fantasy 3 that's already been released, numerous times. They can't have two different games with the same entry number in the series.
What my comment was actually trying to do was try to point out your mistake in a jestful manner. Yes, calling Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 3 is a *mistake* because of the reason I mentioned above and a few other reasons. They can't relabel all the Final Fantasy 3 cartridges, but they did the next best thing, when they re-released 6 on the GBA they reverted to the original numbering system, and they re-released the actual Final Fantasy 3 as Final Fantasy 3.
To intentionally call the game by a different number completely disregards and disrespects the fact that there were 5 Final Fantasy games prior to 6, specifically ignoring the existence of Final Fantasy 3, which was a great game in its own rights.
@Rachel Fogg: You're just mad because Terra and Celes were both inherently better characters than Tifa :P
@chronomasakari: Wasn't 'the Final Fantasy with Terra, Celes and crew' that many know as Final Fantasy VI released in North America as Final Fantasy III?
@Flotsom: I may get hated on for what I'm about to say, but I've not completed Final Fantasy III / VI yet *gasp!* I got about mid way through it. I need to finish it, because I do love the game and was hooked up until I stopped playing it. (There was a legitimate reason as to why I did stop. Can't remember it though!) May have to dig out my PS2 and get back to it!
I shouldn't have such high hopes for XIII given that Square like to raise them, only to drop them like a crystal vase on a concrete floor. But I'm a sucker for a good trailer and cool summons. Plus, there's Lightning. The chick plain rocks!
The amount of people that say they bought a PS3 for the Blu-Ray is pretty high, or so it seems.
The amount of people that bought and Xbox 360 for Live is pretty damn high as well.
Neither of these need a console to run one of the main draws. Plus both already have stores that should be able to run on anything.
Anything online is 'Live' and people can buy stand alone BR players.
PC with a Blu-Ray drive and the job is done.
The main reason that people buy consoles is for the games that are available, but the slow shift into digital media and the fact that exclusive titles are becoming fewer and fewer. Why would you need a console in the future?
Microsoft have already put some of there games on there Games for Windows. On top of that, companies like Square-Enix and Capcom have also showed a little (and I mean a little) dedication to the platform.
And then there is Sony' Go. The digital content handheld.
If anything, it seems as if a lot of the companies are really looking into what they can do.
People download full games onto there PC all the time, with the likes of Steam and D2D offering the service.
The next entertainment/media centre will be very much a PC. Companies are already testing the water and preparing for what could be the next step.
I for one would be very dissapointed if that was the case. I love consoles, the simplicity is the charm, but a charm that is slowly fading due to patches, updates and installs.
My hope lies with....*gulp*..Nintendo. I can't see them ever wanting there games to be played on anything but a Nintendo.
But, its still a while off yet before this will happen.
I'm shocked that nobody else thinks it sucks that additional to power soon an internet connection will be required to play videogames.
Imagine your internet spiking or simply being down that would mean you would be unable to play games, and unlike power (you can always put a dynamo on a threadmill :P) there is not a single possibility to create a connection to the internet yourself without help from the outside.
Digital destribution might work well and with all the reasons but solid copy's of videogames will keep on existing for a long while for the simple reason of owning something 'permanently' and being able to use it whenever one likes. as opposed to cloud gaming where one just has to hope their server wont go bankrupt.
I hope the day never comes when you can't go into a store and buy a physical copy of a game. I'm a collector and it just doesn't feel the same when you don't have something you can actually hold in your hands.
Well, that and you don't have any manuals to read while your on the crapper...
Properly leveraging Economies of Scale reduces costs, but so does agglomerating parts of your business. Selling the need to agglomerate to the consumer, developer, publisher, and vendor, in fact making it sound like a natural evolution rather than revolution in the industry, is the best way to get them to agree that it's for the best.
Also, just think that people were expecting flying cars and wide-spread video phones by now but couldn't see email or the proliferation of social networking. In fact to go further back Jules Verne as an aside predicted fax machines and personal computers in the Twentieth Century but paid much more attention to the modular moving cities and a cruise ship that stretched from North America to Europe.
Nostradami are kind of hit or miss.
I do in fact agree that gaming will be able to be done from anywhere, but I'm predicting each access point will have its own set of features that were developed in a modular fashion. The best example I have of that is what CCP is doing with EVE Online, which I suggest everyone look at just to see what they are trying to do.
They're going beyond the PC, in both supplements and substitutes without abandoning they core PC game in any way. Smartphone apps that allow you to update your character's skillplan, calendar, chat, browse the game news, and change account settings. A console game in a different game genre that will directly impact the MMO world, and vice-versa. All still basically client side powered, but the clients use the same MMO servers in both different and similar ways. Synergy and leverage...it's a glorious plan. Hope it works for them.
That's the future I see, and I'm thinking other developers are seeing it as well. I'm getting inklings from Blizzard with how Battle.net is changing. Valve seems to be there as they are growing Steam. I think EA is since they acquired that social site game developer. Square Enix here is talking a good show, but I'm not sure where they're headed.
Does it matter what these people think? It takes them a bazillion years to put out one game anyway. They're prob thinking about the next installment of FF because by the time the damn thing is done, we wont have consoles anymore.
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I mean, I can see where the guy is aiming at, and yes, it is a possibility.
But it's long since I stopped believing technology points out the way of the future.
Money does.
If having multiple consoles from 3 different companies is the best way to harvest money from gamers, this is where the market is heading.
It's still kinda hard to understand what Wada is trying to say. Probably the cloud computing idea... you don't need hardware, just dumb terminals connected to the Internet running games remotely.
The thing is: with or without piracy, even while game developers and console companies whine and whine about it, physical game media and consoles are still a highly profitable business.
And ultimately, it's the gaming companies that tells game developers to make them optimized for the hardware, or to run remotely...
If you turn that to a more like "subscription service" idea, going exclusive to cloud computing/gaming, it could reach a broader audience and a more stable income.
BUT the final sum would be substatially lower for gaming companies, and the hardware business would go bankrupt basically.
Without tons of people financing hardware research, what would be the point. Shure there would still be servers and stuff, but that doesn't come even close to what the home user market generates.
But oh well, I'm not an expert on this, so who knows? Maybe gaming really goes all to the network.
The same day that happens the network becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time. In a panic, Nintendo try to pull the plug.
Skyn- Mario fights back.
He launches its fireballs against the targets in Russia.
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Competition inspires innovation, and growth. I suppose he may not mean "one network", but if he does, no thanks. Then again I still like physical media more than anything anyway. :|
Especially when developers get money from microsoft/sony/nintendo to make a game for them. Where would that money come from?
This is all assuming he means a basically free-for-all system.
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Instead, he implies that "kind of terminal becomes a potential platform", meaning that as long as what you have is connected to the internet, you can game. With the intense competition currently being driven by the bottom line of massive, multi-national corporations, I don't see this happening in 10 years.
Platforms will continue to be segregated by brand as long as there is money to be had from the distinction. There must be a global standard (presumably an OS) for this to be a reality, and I can't see longterm rivals (ie. Microsoft and Apple) merging or allying themselves within the next 10 years.
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Imagine never having to buy a console again. Gaming will be just a controller and an output device.
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I don't doubt that he might be on to something with the statement but really...did he HAVE to be the one to say it?
I frankly don't want to download games, I like hardcopies, I like knowing that they are there. Right now my internet connection is crap, my computer is old and by the time any of this starts happening the newest computer I get will be old. I don't even want to imagine what a console-less gaming market will be. (No diss to PC gamers, but I'm a console gamer obviously...I would like to remain that way frankly.)
If the time comes where there's no more consoles then that's officially the end of gaming for me.
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He did not say console will be replaced by pc.
You will be able to play any games you want from your tv. Without any hardware, just an internet connection.
Which will be much faster and more reliable than it is today.
The games will be processed outside of your home.
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I don't want either...my TV is for watching and gaming, I DON'T want to download shit for my TV. Period.
So in a sense...my TV would become a PC and I have 3 of those already.
No, I didn't miss the point at all...I got it completely.
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True, but tech always changes, and for people who like or want to play it on PC or PC-like devices this is awesome.
But I really...REALLY just like consoles, I like to keep it separate. To me, pushing things into ONE big thing is just a bad idea.
It's like a tablet PC, sure it sounds good...until you break your monitor, then you have a broken monitor and tablet.
I mean, it'll happen, I know it will...I just don't want any part of it.
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I still replay FFVII over and over again because it's a good game, I'm playing Skies of Arcadia too because it's a good game.
Those are understandable.
And I understand the reasons this is happening, I don't want it myself but I'm in no position to stop it. You can't stop progress even if you really wanted too.
And for many, this is good progress. Perhaps I'm not seeing beyond right now..
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That is how gaming operates now.
I for one welcome a unified game console that logs into different networks to play different companies games as our new gaming overlord.
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I dunno, I have a PS3 so I don't have to worry about having a different blu-ray player. ;)
I get ya though...
I don't want a one console to rule them all, if all the consoles united AS one and we take the benefits of them all then sure.
But I don't want a Sony world or a MS world and damn sure don't want a current Ninty world. But I definitely don't want a world without any of them either.
As for SE, at this point I only care about them because of vXIII, KH3 and the small twinkling light of hope of a VII remake. When all those things come to me, I will have no more use of SE.
But that's another story altogether..
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Oh no, I agree....things will always progress...I mean what like damn near 20 years ago wasn't like DSL the fastest connection speed or something? LOL!
No progress will and always happen, it's just right now I haven't had much faith in digital downloads. I'm sure they are easier and everything but until EVERYONE has better or quality internet connections, sufficient TVS or whathave yous. I'd rather stick with my discs....
It's more then just old fogey stuff here...it's a reassurance issue. I can't afford to download everything and then have a virus or something to happen at someone's sever and destroys everything on said sever without backups.
I dunno...
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How long will it be until our ISPs don't suck ass?
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Hey now...everybody chill...it's the same bloody overrated game in a overrated series regardless on what it's called in the states or in Japan.
Shake hands y'all.
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Calling a game by it's proper name doesn't make me a purist in the derogatory sense you're referring to it as, nor are you able to draw conclusions about my tastes based on a comment which implies nothing about my personality.
It's not me being a "purest" of Japanese content, it's me believing everyone should have the same definition of terms. The American numbering of Final Fantasy was droppd when 7 came out (obviously). They've even completely ignored the american numbering system when remaking the *original* three games. To avoid confusion they stopped referring to Final Fantasy 6 and Final Fantasy 3, because... well there is a version of Final Fantasy 3 that's already been released, numerous times. They can't have two different games with the same entry number in the series.
What my comment was actually trying to do was try to point out your mistake in a jestful manner. Yes, calling Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 3 is a *mistake* because of the reason I mentioned above and a few other reasons. They can't relabel all the Final Fantasy 3 cartridges, but they did the next best thing, when they re-released 6 on the GBA they reverted to the original numbering system, and they re-released the actual Final Fantasy 3 as Final Fantasy 3.
To intentionally call the game by a different number completely disregards and disrespects the fact that there were 5 Final Fantasy games prior to 6, specifically ignoring the existence of Final Fantasy 3, which was a great game in its own rights.
@Rachel Fogg: You're just mad because Terra and Celes were both inherently better characters than Tifa :P
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I shouldn't have such high hopes for XIII given that Square like to raise them, only to drop them like a crystal vase on a concrete floor. But I'm a sucker for a good trailer and cool summons. Plus, there's Lightning. The chick plain rocks!
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I'll give you Celes but not Terra....I hated that bitch.
And I'll take a woman good with her hands and can make a mean sandwich then just a chick with a sword ANY day....;)
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What the hell kind of a statement is that? Hardware will always be needed.
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The amount of people that say they bought a PS3 for the Blu-Ray is pretty high, or so it seems.
The amount of people that bought and Xbox 360 for Live is pretty damn high as well.
Neither of these need a console to run one of the main draws. Plus both already have stores that should be able to run on anything.
Anything online is 'Live' and people can buy stand alone BR players.
PC with a Blu-Ray drive and the job is done.
The main reason that people buy consoles is for the games that are available, but the slow shift into digital media and the fact that exclusive titles are becoming fewer and fewer. Why would you need a console in the future?
Microsoft have already put some of there games on there Games for Windows. On top of that, companies like Square-Enix and Capcom have also showed a little (and I mean a little) dedication to the platform.
And then there is Sony' Go. The digital content handheld.
If anything, it seems as if a lot of the companies are really looking into what they can do.
People download full games onto there PC all the time, with the likes of Steam and D2D offering the service.
The next entertainment/media centre will be very much a PC. Companies are already testing the water and preparing for what could be the next step.
I for one would be very dissapointed if that was the case. I love consoles, the simplicity is the charm, but a charm that is slowly fading due to patches, updates and installs.
My hope lies with....*gulp*..Nintendo. I can't see them ever wanting there games to be played on anything but a Nintendo.
But, its still a while off yet before this will happen.
So for the mean time...
Console!
*flies away on console alah DBZ nimbus*
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Imagine your internet spiking or simply being down that would mean you would be unable to play games, and unlike power (you can always put a dynamo on a threadmill :P) there is not a single possibility to create a connection to the internet yourself without help from the outside.
Digital destribution might work well and with all the reasons but solid copy's of videogames will keep on existing for a long while for the simple reason of owning something 'permanently' and being able to use it whenever one likes. as opposed to cloud gaming where one just has to hope their server wont go bankrupt.
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Handing your game peformance over to an unpredictable performing platform is bad news.
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Well, that and you don't have any manuals to read while your on the crapper...
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Also, just think that people were expecting flying cars and wide-spread video phones by now but couldn't see email or the proliferation of social networking. In fact to go further back Jules Verne as an aside predicted fax machines and personal computers in the Twentieth Century but paid much more attention to the modular moving cities and a cruise ship that stretched from North America to Europe.
Nostradami are kind of hit or miss.
I do in fact agree that gaming will be able to be done from anywhere, but I'm predicting each access point will have its own set of features that were developed in a modular fashion. The best example I have of that is what CCP is doing with EVE Online, which I suggest everyone look at just to see what they are trying to do.
They're going beyond the PC, in both supplements and substitutes without abandoning they core PC game in any way. Smartphone apps that allow you to update your character's skillplan, calendar, chat, browse the game news, and change account settings. A console game in a different game genre that will directly impact the MMO world, and vice-versa. All still basically client side powered, but the clients use the same MMO servers in both different and similar ways. Synergy and leverage...it's a glorious plan. Hope it works for them.
That's the future I see, and I'm thinking other developers are seeing it as well. I'm getting inklings from Blizzard with how Battle.net is changing. Valve seems to be there as they are growing Steam. I think EA is since they acquired that social site game developer. Square Enix here is talking a good show, but I'm not sure where they're headed.
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