@balls187: I think they just did that for the trailer. It looks to me like H.A.V.E. isn't even class based, but instead you can design your character to have certain default weapons and then get power ups to change them later.
That's not really TF2 at all.
The trailer was certainly a ripoff, but the game doesn't really seem to be.
To me, yeah, it looks a lot like TF2, but with less health and more damage from more weapons. It looked like every weapon was a one-hit-kill, and the character had, like, seven weapons.
Also, they only showed us one class/character. With all the differing capabilities of that one character, how different can the others be? Or does each person customize their own character that they always play with?
It looks interesting, and it might be fun, but it definitely looks similar to TF2, whether or not it actually is.
@Platypus Man: From just looking at the two videos, I'm willing to guess now that there aren't classes at all. Just character customization, and lots of it. They decided to customize their stuff to look like TF2 classes, I guess.
To be fair... it was kind of you guys who started the rip-off claims. You wrote an article about the similarities of the trailers, which I would say promptly turned a bunch of people who might have been skeptical into "OMG, TF2 RIPOFF NO WANT" people, aka trolls. And now, what, you say "some have freaked about [the] similarities?" Really now, to be fair, half of the trolling about this game was caused by your biased look at a TRAILER which does not show how the gameplay is. It's like crying wolf. And its a bunch of bull. Come on, Ashcraft, you're better than to do this kind of stuff, at least own up to causing some of the "controversy" surrounding this game.
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi:This, times a thousand. I can appreciate wanting to add a system of positive reinforcement when the player is doing well. But that man is not positive reinforcement. He is torture, plain and simple. If I ever met a man that said "Fantastic" like that in real life, I would nail his mouth shut, and then ensure his genes would never spread. With a blowtorch.
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Fanboi trolling aside.. I think I'd rather play this game so I wouldn't have to deal with Valve.
Also... I love in the video they highlighted keyboard controlled weapon changes.. ripping off Team Fortress 2 is one thing... ripping off Wolfenstein is another entirely.
@chungo: Do you mean deal with Steam, Valve's software distribution program? Because Valve themselves are the most pleasant game studio you'll ever speak to. And I mean that- if you email them with question, you get polite answers from people in important positions. They are good dudes.
If you ARE hating on Steam... you should try it again. It's a far cry from the nightmare that released with Half-Life 2, it's really a fantastic service. I say this with the hope that you can overlook my obvious Valve fanboyism (note avatar), and give it a shot- you won't regret it.
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@chungo: Really, it just seems like S4 League meets TF2. Which is win win. It'd be on my list if my computer could take anything stronger than Quake 3.
@Dangeresque the Observer: Hah that's funny. "Pleasant people indeed". I mean, when I send them an email concerning the Team Fortress 2 360 updates, they DON'T reply. Another topic is a different story though.
"We'll make an announcement about it by the end of this year" 3 years running (it's been said in 2007, 2008, and here we are again in 2009) is not an appropriate response for a company that's supposedly so consumer focused.
We want communication, even things we don't want to hear, not outright lies.
@Dangeresque the Observer: It's half true. Steam is certainly my main issue. But my problem is this - I played CS for years.. some of them professionally. I loved Team Fortress.. Half-life, HL2, even TF2. I bought Orange Box and had played TF2 for all of like.. 2 hours (literally it logs what class you play and for how long) I enjoy the game but didn't really have time to get into it due to raiding schedules on WoW. So I don't play for a good while. I come back to find that the VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat) nazi.. err.. program has flagged me for cheating and banned me from all VAC servers for all games for all time. A decision which can't be undone, explained, or even verified in any fashion.
To this day I still don't know what the hell I did lol. Apparently I could make a new account and rebuy all of my games over again if I wanted to access the servers again.. but I still don't know what the hell on my system flagged their VAC... so I'd sending them more money to get banned again I imagine.
Seriously tho... if it's because I have Cheat O Matic on my desktop for cheating at NES roms... I'd laugh pretty hard. =P
@Phydeaux: And they also have said that they are going to do it AFTER all the class updates have been created so they can do it all at once. not to mention they have to figure out memory issues with the added content they are putting in which they have also said.
So maybe, just maybe you should start worrying about it after that happens.
Well, it definitely takes some stuff from TF2, but it doesn't seem to be a direct rip. Looks like you can either you can carry an entire arsenal with you, or you can pick up weapons from fallen enemies/comrades. Interesting WWII elements in that clip. (backpack, tanks in the map, Nazi banners)
@(Zombie) havelava: That comparison, metaphor, has been around for ages. It just sounds hilarious because of the extremely limited expressive language called English.
If you make a multiplayer game with cartoonish characters killing each other with bats, guns, and rockets; you've stolen from Team Fortress 2?
Nobody tell that to Valve, they'd have to sue everyone the entire industry, seeing as Team Fortress 2 was the first time any of those ideas were realized in videogame form.
Y'know, I was ready to give them the benefit of the doubt, and then I get to their one eyed, ersatz Demoman. It's different enough to avoid legal action, whether it'll have enough to draw anyone away from TF2 for more than a couple weeks is looking doubtful.
Even just looking at the character models in the comparison video it was plain as day that they followed the TF2 model pretty much exactly. I'm not saying that is a bad thing as TF2 is phenomenal, but really, even the cinematic is very nearly a direct rip off and that is where I see them getting in trouble.
That's funny because I don't remember the doll-jointed anime girl models in TF2, much less ones that could just pick up a weapon and change class...
The graphical style is somewhat similar to Re-Volt (1999) though.
They're obviously going for the same type of game, but a lot of what people are calling a ripoff is pretty tenuous actually - HAVE seems to have a powerup that gives you a minigun. TF2 has a minigun-armed class. Ripoff? Well, Wolfenstein 3D has a minigun too, so TF2 rips off Wolf3D? HAVE has a shock grenade that happens to be cylindrical with glowing blue ends. So it's a ripoff of TF2's explosive grenade with glowing red ends? If that's so, then TF2 rips Quake 1 off since their grenade is a carbon copy of Quake's... (makes sense with TF originally being a Quake mod.) People are just overreacting at this point - I think mostly just because the game has simplified clean looking graphics instead of being another brown, gritty FPS which ironically be so much of a copy no one would even agree on what they're copying from...
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That's not really TF2 at all.
The trailer was certainly a ripoff, but the game doesn't really seem to be.
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Also, they only showed us one class/character. With all the differing capabilities of that one character, how different can the others be? Or does each person customize their own character that they always play with?
It looks interesting, and it might be fun, but it definitely looks similar to TF2, whether or not it actually is.
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But that narrator voice pisses me off. Seriously, I'd refuse to even playtest the game if you can't switch that off.
He sounds just like that stupid DDR Max 2 narrator... I'd like to meet someone that talks like that so that I can punch his face off someday.
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To his crotch. Just in case that wasn't clear.
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Also... I love in the video they highlighted keyboard controlled weapon changes.. ripping off Team Fortress 2 is one thing... ripping off Wolfenstein is another entirely.
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If you ARE hating on Steam... you should try it again. It's a far cry from the nightmare that released with Half-Life 2, it's really a fantastic service. I say this with the hope that you can overlook my obvious Valve fanboyism (note avatar), and give it a shot- you won't regret it.
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"We'll make an announcement about it by the end of this year" 3 years running (it's been said in 2007, 2008, and here we are again in 2009) is not an appropriate response for a company that's supposedly so consumer focused.
We want communication, even things we don't want to hear, not outright lies.
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To this day I still don't know what the hell I did lol. Apparently I could make a new account and rebuy all of my games over again if I wanted to access the servers again.. but I still don't know what the hell on my system flagged their VAC... so I'd sending them more money to get banned again I imagine.
Seriously tho... if it's because I have Cheat O Matic on my desktop for cheating at NES roms... I'd laugh pretty hard. =P
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So maybe, just maybe you should start worrying about it after that happens.
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If you make a multiplayer game with cartoonish characters killing each other with bats, guns, and rockets; you've stolen from Team Fortress 2?
Nobody tell that to Valve, they'd have to sue everyone the entire industry, seeing as Team Fortress 2 was the first time any of those ideas were realized in videogame form.
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Natal is more of an Eyetoy ripoff than this is a ripoff of Team Fortress.
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That's funny because I don't remember the doll-jointed anime girl models in TF2, much less ones that could just pick up a weapon and change class...
The graphical style is somewhat similar to Re-Volt (1999) though.
They're obviously going for the same type of game, but a lot of what people are calling a ripoff is pretty tenuous actually - HAVE seems to have a powerup that gives you a minigun. TF2 has a minigun-armed class. Ripoff? Well, Wolfenstein 3D has a minigun too, so TF2 rips off Wolf3D? HAVE has a shock grenade that happens to be cylindrical with glowing blue ends. So it's a ripoff of TF2's explosive grenade with glowing red ends? If that's so, then TF2 rips Quake 1 off since their grenade is a carbon copy of Quake's... (makes sense with TF originally being a Quake mod.) People are just overreacting at this point - I think mostly just because the game has simplified clean looking graphics instead of being another brown, gritty FPS which ironically be so much of a copy no one would even agree on what they're copying from...