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Strangelove
05/10/09

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This is one of the funnier and more astute cartoons I've seen. Good show.
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ShinOni
05/09/09

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wow...this is really OLD guys. step your game up.
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Thorax
05/10/09

@ShinOni: Reading is fun.

Do it.
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N●Gage Croal is grabbin' peels
05/09/09

In reply to SF Flowchart: All Roads Lead to Shoryuken
Yep, that's Ken Fighter IV to a "T"...
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Pombar
05/09/09

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These days though, it's more likely to be Akuma, Gouken or Sagat online. People just like to play boss (or broken!) characters to compensate for being unable to win on more even ground.

I use Dan because he's finally viable as well as amusing. And for some reason (possibly lag!) people have a hard time anticipating + blocking his d.db.b.HK
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Ueziel
05/09/09

@Pombar: I haven't seen any Goukens at all and Sagat isn't broken. His strategies are pretty easy to pick up on.
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Pombar
05/14/09

@Ueziel: I have seen way, way too many Goukens. Generally though, people don't know how to play him at all so it's gravy. Sagat, though, is definitely a top tier character and a crutch for weaker players more often than not.
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shouryuuken
05/09/09

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my ears are burning..
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Nobuyuki
05/09/09

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I'm sad there's no good Cammy flowchart.
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GiovanniMcAdoo
05/09/09

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Thus the reason why the Guilty Gear/BlazBlue series and the KoF series are better than SF IMHO.
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Sutekh_Slain
05/09/09

@GiovanniMcAdoo: Cuz there aren't any stupid GG/BB or KoF players amirite?
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Chupakun
05/09/09

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Can somebody explain what this is about? I haven't gotten hands on Street Fighter IV yet, you see.
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Bialia
05/09/09

@Chupakun uses Synonym Attack!: ..or any other Street Fighter, I take it? ;)
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Mark1412
05/09/09

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"...so here's the obligatory pardon-fucking-me if one of you have seen this before."

This comment should line the bottom of every news post so the small army of morons who think they have something to prove by declaring they've seen something before the rest of us can sink back into their dark holes of irrelevance, tear in eye.
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Kobun
05/09/09

@Mark1412: You assume that people read the entire article before posting and don't seem to consider that the first page race for commenting here supercedes everything.
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Mark1412
05/09/09

@Kobun:

Ah yes you speak the truth. I only posted so I'd be on the first page and be hugely famous...
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Kobun
05/10/09

@Mark1412: So famous you can name your daughter Erlenmeyer Flask and not have more reasonable people try to talk you out of it.
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mjpm
05/09/09

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I love how the Hadouken is almost an infinite loop (I guess it counts as a No if the opponent is KOed, but will hang since there is no path available in this case...). Back to coding.
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Purple Dave
05/09/09

@mjpm:
No, once you KO him and attempt it again, you'll miss. You'll also break the flowchart as it does not have a "fell down" response to that query. Also, contrary to the article's title, all roads lead to "No".
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mjpm
05/10/09

@Purple Dave:

Also, I just noticed that some of the logic falls to pieces if it was round 3 and you were KOed after the Shouryuken attempt...
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Purple Dave
05/10/09

@mjpm:
With the "was that Round 2" question, I'd take that to be asking if that was the second time you got your ass handed to you, not if it was actually the 2nd of 3 rounds. Because yeah, clearly it has problems if you won the first round and lost the next two (note that in that case, the flowchart would actually have you walking off in a huff as your opponent beat the crap out of your paralyzed character in Round 3).
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Tevor_the_Third
05/09/09

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That was fucking hilarious.

Pardon my french.
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SsLordMagus
05/10/09

@Tevor_the_Third:

That's not french..
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Ghetto Cornetto
05/10/09

@SsLordMagus: ಠ_ಠ
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Lezard
05/09/09

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The worst are those motherfuckers that will just move around the character select screen or hover over another character until you select yours, and then they end up picking Ken anyway.

I really wish Capcom would take that hidden character select portion of the Championship update and make that apply to all online multiplayer modes.

Honestly though, it's not too difficult to deal with these idiots once you get used to how Ken's shoryuken and hadouken work in the game. They're just really fucking obnoxious when you end up fighting them one after another online.
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Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok
05/09/09

@Lezard: It's also pretty annoying when they wait so they can obviously pick the best character suited to countering your own pick. It ticks me off a little when I pick Sakura and my opponent waits and moves strait to Blanka.

I have no problem with people who play a character that has an inherent advantage over my own, but don't try to wait and see who I pick just so you can try to give yourself a tier advantage.
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Infil
05/09/09

@Sir-Lucius: People think that because they pick a character that wins 6-4 or 7-3 over your character, they'll get a free win. Never mind the fact that they know next to nothing about how to properly play that character (whereas, I've put in some good time with my "disadvantaged" character).

I've picked Sakura and had people move straight to Gief (who's supposed to be a hard match for her), and do nothing but spam lariats (I guess they do this regardless of who the other guy picks!) and think that there's nothing I can do. When I wipe the floor with them, they ragequit or send me hate mail, thinking that they automatically won the match on the character select screen, so I'm obviously cheap or lagswitching or something.

Observing trends and hearing stories about SF4 online has been quite the interesting psychological experiment.
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Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok
05/09/09

@Infil: Yeah it's usually Zangief or Blanka who gets picked whenever I choose Sakura, and I always end up laughing to myself when I dominate.

It's pretty sad how people think tier lists = the characters to pick if you wanna win. I try to ignore them as much as I can and just play as who I enjoy.
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MaxDragon7
05/09/09

It's funny how many players would rather play to their opponent's weaknesses, rather than play to their own strengths. It is a close-minded attitude that does NOT promote learning or positive gameplay.

I hope everyone learns from this... :D
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kameoosama
05/09/09

@Sir-Lucius: I've done something similar, but it's like I'll try to pick a character with a similar style or story link or something else retarded. You pick zangief, I might decide to pick abel. You pick Akuma, I pick like gouken or ryu or seth. You pick Sagat, I pick Dan, etc. I suck so hard though so it's not like it matters anyway.
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the7k
05/09/09

@kameoosama: I used to do this with many games. In CvS2, A friend of mine would always put Kyo and Yamazaki on their team, so I'd try to make it so that my Iori and Terry would fight his Kyo and Yamazaki, just so I could see the special intro and have 'teh dramaz' going.
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fuchikoma
05/09/09

@Lezard:
I move to the character I want to play and hover, then if they pick ANYONE ELSE but Ryu or Ken, I select the one I'm on, otherwise I'll usually just play the one they pick because fuck 'em... if I have to fight my 10th Ryu of the day, I'm not going to make it any more interesting for them!

(Also, you can say what you want about balance, but Ryu seems twice as likely to win, which is why everyone plays as him... I know I picked him when I got the game and beat it on normal, but spent a day trying to do it as C. Viper on easy...)
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ReddHeretic
05/10/09

@Lezard:

Hello. My name is ReddHeretic, and I am a Ken-user.

*snicker* X8

Okay, in all seriousness, here's my take on the whole "Ken thing":

I've enjoyed this series since Street Fighter II. Around SSF II: The New Challengers, with the introduction of his multi-hit flaming shoryuken, I began using Ken almost exclusively. I've consistently used him ever since.

However, I don't consider myself a truly dedicated player. I'm not in it for the skill or for bragging rights; I just play SF games to have fun. As it turns out, the character I have the most fun with is Ken, because I'm just more comfortable using him over anyone else.

I don't really take Street Fighter or any fighting game seriously. We'd all rather win whenever possible, of course; but my primary motivation is having a good time. I don't try to pass myself off as some kind of pro (if you're interested in developing real technique & earning respect from other players, you shouldn't be sticking to one character/spamming/etc.). I also don't pull that bullshit of pretending I'll select another character; when I'm going to pick Ken, I go straight for Ken.

Indeed, up against devoted SF enthusiasts who take these games very seriously, I usually lose. That's fine. What makes me laugh though is when I get shit on by other players simply because I pick Ken. Look, not all Street Fighter players obey some unspoken code of fighting game-ethics. I like Ken, and I will select him. I don't care how it makes you feel; I don't play Street Fighter to satisfy your notions of character etiquette.

To all those Ken-users who do try to play competitively and talk trash: You deserve the universal scorn you receive.

Anyway, on those rare occasions when I don't pick Ken, I use characters like Sagat, Cammy, Sakura, or Ryu; basically anyone who has an "uppercut" move. I don't like charge characters, it's too restrictive for me. I prefer being able to pull off a move in a split-second at the exact moment I need to.

Although I am interested in learning Balrog for some reason. I need to find someone who's good with him to teach me.

Before any of you ask why I have a Bison avatar, let me make it perfectly clear: I'm obviously not good with Bison in-game, but I like him as a fictional character.
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duckmouth
05/10/09

@ReddHeretic: I play as Balrog. He is a brilliant character. All his moves can be pulled off pretty much on-demand, you just need to get used to constantly charging down and back. That gives you the opportunity to do any of his charge punches or his headbutt as you require.

Learn the difference between each of his charge punches. Switching between his low sweep punch (charge back then diagonally low forward + press punch) and his overhead smash (as above except you hold punch) to keep the opponent guessing.

His headbutt is his best move. It goes through projectiles, as does his turn punch. This is useful when playing projectile-heavy characters.
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JDotCDot
05/09/09

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The Ken wave isn't as big as it used to be in February and March, but it's still there. I think a lot of people have learned to change up their style (which makes the flow chart not as applicable anymore) or move to a different character.

But online fighting games have made me realize one thing: people like to choose one specific character, for some unknown reason.

Soul Calibur IV: Kilik

Street Fighter IV: Ken

Make you wonder who will be the next few games (KOFXII, BlazBlue, Tekken 6...)
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Kobun
05/09/09

@JDotCDot: I haven't noticed a trend toward a specific character in Virtua Fighter, though it does seem that the easier to mash characters like Jacky and Long do get selected more.
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Kobun
05/09/09

@Kobun: Damn brain fart. Lei-Fei, not Long.
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the7k
05/09/09

@JDotCDot: Really? I've noticed more people using Cervantes (Cheap Cheap Cheap is the name of his soul) and Zangief (three throws and I'm already dead?) than Kilik and Ken. Also, I once fought 6 Akumas - in a row. My god.
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JDotCDot
05/09/09

@Kobun: Is that so? I was just wondering that right now, but I own VF5 on PS3 and not 360, so I haven't been able to see what the online community is like.

If VF5 R ever does come out on PS3, looks like I'll have to switch up my main (which has been Jacky for years now) so that people wouldn't be able to predict my moves as easily.
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Cronoking
05/09/09

@JDotCDot: You gotta take into account the tier charts too. Everytime one comes out all the tourney guys just jump on it.
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JDotCDot
05/09/09

@the7k: Well, it was Kilik initially (when the game came out), and Ken initially (when it came out as well). Once people realized that other players are able to adapt, they end up going for another character (usually a cool one you have to unlock, like Cervantes and Akuma).

Not saying that Cervantes or Akuma are only used by amateurs, they are just the next popular to use.
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JDotCDot
05/09/09

@Cronoking: The funny thing is Kilik OR Ken aren't top tier characters, for at least the games that I mentioned above.

It boggles my mind.
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GohanGVO
05/09/09

@JDotCDot: People like to choose specific characters because they are, for a time or for eternity, deemed as the easiest way to win matches.

Just take a glance over at Ike in SSBB.
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DLZ
05/09/09

@GohanGVO:

Ike? Seriously? Smash is all about speed being the easiest thing to work with, and Ike is at the lower end of the spectrum in that regard. With him, you need to know how to anticipate, counter and punish. Not what I'd call noob friendly.

I've faced a ton of Ikes online that charge in swinging and I don't think I've lost to one of them.

I think the character you were looking for would be Meta Knight. With the recent (flawed) tiers out, everyone is jizzing their pants over him.
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GohanGVO
05/09/09

@DLZ: When I first played the game online, Ike use was RAMPANT. I never said that those who used him would automatically win 100% of the time, though. He was merely perceived as king of the mountain back in the day. I have no idea what the tiers look like then or now, and it has been a while since I went online.
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Kobun
05/09/09

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That's from the shoryuken thread. The Sagat flowchart is my favorite.

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TheCleaningGuy
05/09/09

@Kobun: Thanks, my similarly-avatared friend!
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Toasticus
05/09/09

@Kobun: I don't give these out often, but fucking lmao man.
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SmilingPolitely
05/10/09

@Kobun: O God... XD
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TheCleaningGuy
05/09/09

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There are a bunch of other great ones on Shoryuken.com
like this one:
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TheCleaningGuy
05/09/09

@TheCleaningGuy: Oops, forgot about no image BBCode on kotaku...
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RyuuzakiBjorn
05/10/09

@TheCleaningGuy: Yeah... Great ones like that one... 'Cause that one was great....
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