How about this: Ultimate Left 4 Dead (or some other cheesy name).
-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All Special Infected in all campaigns
-All weapons in all campaigns
-Director causes various things to change in L4D1 campaigns, just like in L4D2 cmapaigns.
Requires to have both games installed and linked to your Steam account, of course. But certainly would be an awesome "reward" to those who own both games.
Only issue would be that new dialogue would need to be recorded for all survivors (so they can speak with any of the survivors, as well as react to the differences in each game's campaigns).
I would gladly take it as a free DLC, if it included the following:
-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All weapons in all campaigns
For me, it would be sufficient.
Should not be hard to realize from a technical standpoint, so not that much work would be required from Valve, therefore justifying it being free DLC for owners of both games (such as me, for example).
The other two points would probably be more difficult to realize, but the short list I've given above should be a matter of two-three weeks worth of programmers work plus additional two-three weeks for QA team - and it would be a great bonus for those that have bought both L4Ds.
I think Valve should make importing the older levels/characters into L4D2 DLC... for people that don't own the original. The rest (most?) of us will get it for free if we have L4D1.
This would be a nice thank you for all the people irritated that the newer game was rolled out so quickly for a typical Valve title.
@dirtybacon: Adding the old levels to L4D2 is one of the promises made. However they were iffy on whether the original characters would be copied over.
@d_r_e: Going back for sources, it looks as if I overstated with the word "promises", rather it was strongly implied. I've pasted the first source I found via Google. I'm sure you can come up with more along the same lines:
Less than a week and the PC cheaters have already hacked the game so they can use the melee weapons to cheat in the old game.
Why don't they just wait for the DLC of it instead. They always feel so entitled to free stuff.
/tongue-in-cheek
Was waiting for this to happen, amazed it didn't happen sooner.
I'm still amazed at the Portal gun in HL2. Though I'm not sure which method is dirtier. This one seems like it needs a bit more effort. Which is kinda odd considering they games are on an identical branch of Source compared to HL2 n Portal being on separate branches. (even Gmod doesn't have Portal support yet)
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Maybe like a cheap (or free) DLC pack for the 360 owners. I'd take advantage. Or how bout just survivor on survivor action to see who is the last man/woman standing? My money is on Bill, that fucker knows how to survive.
As I keep saying from time to time, SONY will do what they can to close any loops, and the community will work off the weakness of those "improvments".
No system is undefeatable.
Again, check back in six months for some exploits. : )
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Really...too much crying about hacking going on here. I think a person should have the right to do what they want with the products they buy.
Everyone has some moral high horse about stuff like this and i'm sure a very large percentage of them can't say they've never downloaded anything ever "illegally" whether it be music, a video or anything else. Give it a rest, until you follow the law down to the letter then you really have to be quiet.
@NerdyxTimx: This isn't some moral high horse that people are on.
Fact: If the PSPGo gets hacked, it won't be long before pirated games are being played on it and if that happens then shit turns bad sooo, unfortunately for homebrew, the best thing to have is a non-hackable system because it'll mean a lack of support from both Sony and 3rd party devs if the Go can play pirated games. Peole are expressing their concern and intelligently realising that hacking the Go isn't a good idea for the average PSP owner.
What you need to do is think of the knock-on effects this can have and consideri the already weak (but strengthening) dev support.
@NerdyxTimx: Sure, people have the right to do what they want with the products they buy, but hacking/CFW usually leads to consequences that affect others. People are "crying" about those potential consequences, not hacking itself.
I won't lie, people do tend to sicken me when they preach as though they've done nothing wrong, but the conversation isn't about their wrongs, assumptions of their wrongs, or speculation of hypocrisy. It's about the topic at hand and the finger should be pointed solely in that direction. You don’t have to be Ned Flanders to have an opinion about illegal activities.
@KeroseneClimax: The problem is that 90% of the people up on their high horse don't fully understand the issue at hand. Or understand it at all. Because if they did they wouldn't use the same piss poor arguments that the RIAA has been using for years.
Moral superiority is irrelevant when your argument is factually wrong.
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@-MasterDex-: Homebrew and piracy do not go hand-in-hand. You can have a system that allows homebrew but cracks down on piracy. Hell, if you look at the Xbox 360, you have vice versa, where pirating is pretty easy and homebrew is impossible.
@MasaMuneCyrus: Homebrew and Piracy are not the same but by hacking a system, they can go hand in hand. Sure, the guy who cracks the system might be doing it for a love of homebrew but some other guy will probably come along and use the now hacked system to allow pirate games to be played. It's happened with for example: PSX, Dreamcast, Playstation 2, Xbox, Xbox 360, PSP and the DS.
@-MasterDex-: "unfortunately for homebrew, the best thing to have is a non-hackable system because it'll mean a lack of support from both Sony and 3rd party devs if the Go can play pirated games"
I think they do enough on their own to ensure lack of support. Where's that umd transfer program again? haha.
@NerdyxTimx: People can do whatever they want with their Go's, and Sony can also do just about anything to prevent that. Both sides have their reasons and neither will stop.
What bothers me is when people claim an update "broke" some modded hardware and try to blame it on the company. Those people should know better than to update, plain and simple.
Kotaku,
Even though I feel you are a Nintendo hating site. Thanks for finally being fair. You post Wii hack stories once every 4 months.
Good job on reporting this.
Like Billy Jean said
"Fair is Fair"
Most of you kids will not get that reference.
@TheWon: lol, the moment I read this I was like 'dude it's either internet or TheWon'.
It's WhatCD from over at GN! Sup dood?
Now, to tackle your post.
Most of this 'omg nintendo hate' crap (and yeah, a lot of it is crap - and I mean no offense to you, I'm just tired of it myself) can be explained logically and reasonably instead of posting cop out responses along the vein of 'omgbias! haterz'. This is no exception.
Check the 'hacks' and 'mods' tags, bro. You'll find that the other consoles are pretty much posted on just as much.
Only reason the Wii's mods get posted as often as they do is because Wii hackers are getting further with the system than any console hackers have ever gone before - that's including the PSP (and also that Wii hackers seem to be a bit more vocal about what they're doing).
@XtaLarge:
Hmm so 6 to 3 or 2 articles. Well I give you the Wii hackers are loud mouths, but Luke and other writers on this site. I have proven too many times. The rather post bad news then goods about Nintendo and the Wii.
@TheWon: I would, but I can't do so through my monitor, silly
anywhos, yeah, I'm just gonna come out and say it - no, none, or at least not as many as you would suggest, are straight up 'Nintendo hating', unless there was a reason to post an article that may be negatively construed in the first place. Considering that around GN, any article that isn't one hundred thousand percent positive regarding anything Nintendo is suddenly 'hating'... well, you know I'm exaggerating, but since the beginning of this gen, especially in the minds of Ninty fans, the bar for 'hating' has been lowered. I'm not saying there isn't a lot of idiotic or unjust hatred out there, but it seems like it's given you guys an excuse to claim that any and everything is hating these days.
Like this article, or articles like them, for example. Apparently, Wii hacking articles are a sign of hate, so therefore I can conclude that Owen Good clearly hates the PSP, and that he's posting to keep the poor console down, right?... or maybe, just maybe, the kinds of hacking developments that get posted have more to do with their noteworthiness or how loud that particular hacking community tends to be?
This also applies to your other post - hacking news isn't 'hating' like you seem to think it is. In fact, a lot of the articles here aren't 'hating', and again, can in fact be explained reasonably.
Remember that 'Nintendo from '89 to '2009' article that you and a bunch of other guys from GN claimed was totally biased and unfair, simply on the basis that they hadn't made a similar sort of article about companies that haven't been in gaming near as long as Ninty has?
@TheWon: A nintendo hating site?! Saywut?! Where'd you get that idea? Sure, many commentors might not be big fans of it but I don't think any of the editors have ever been overly biased against it.
Hacking a console to add features that the developers left out/the users wanted is kind of in the same realm as modding a game to put in features that the developers left out/the users wanted.
Not every single person who cracks open their psp/wii/xbox360/ps3/etc. is trying to stick it to the man by saving money through piracy or damage the company who made the thing.
@darktrooper2112: Yeah well, I bet 95% (generous) of hackers on the psp do it to play downloaded/stolen games. I'm not judging here, just being realistic.
@GtheMVP99: i have CFW and i only have 2 downloaded PSP games, and both of them are from Japan. the main reason i bothered with CFW was to play homebrew ports like DOOM and old Nintendo roms.
sure a lotta people steal all their games, but a lotta people don't
@shouryuuken:
Dark Alex seems to have given up, he's already said that there's no plans for a newer M33 firmware version. I had to change over to GEN firmware because I wanted to be able to access the PS store and remote play again.
@Odin: He hasn't given up, he just refuses to make a new firmware until Sony actually add something new and big to it besides new theme colours and the like.
@Hymirvetr: Well yea besides that there really hasn't been anything new, but I don't think he will hack it even for that on the basis of piracy even if a few legit users can't play their games on CFW, the majority asking for the new firmware just want free games.
@urban_ryoga: Yeah yeah, i've seen that it has been posted.. big whoop, wanna fight about it?
To answer your question i can churn out a mean pun, offer a somewhat intelligent view on things, and i make light of nearly every situation. I'm also known to mooch of my friends' popularity, go ahead, check the profile
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-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All Special Infected in all campaigns
-All weapons in all campaigns
-Director causes various things to change in L4D1 campaigns, just like in L4D2 cmapaigns.
Requires to have both games installed and linked to your Steam account, of course. But certainly would be an awesome "reward" to those who own both games.
Only issue would be that new dialogue would need to be recorded for all survivors (so they can speak with any of the survivors, as well as react to the differences in each game's campaigns).
C'mon. Do it, Valve.
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I was thinking more of it being a patch to each game, that would be "unlocked" if you had both games. :p
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I would gladly take it as a free DLC, if it included the following:
-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All weapons in all campaigns
For me, it would be sufficient.
Should not be hard to realize from a technical standpoint, so not that much work would be required from Valve, therefore justifying it being free DLC for owners of both games (such as me, for example).
The other two points would probably be more difficult to realize, but the short list I've given above should be a matter of two-three weeks worth of programmers work plus additional two-three weeks for QA team - and it would be a great bonus for those that have bought both L4Ds.
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This would be a nice thank you for all the people irritated that the newer game was rolled out so quickly for a typical Valve title.
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Why don't they just wait for the DLC of it instead. They always feel so entitled to free stuff.
/tongue-in-cheek
Was waiting for this to happen, amazed it didn't happen sooner.
I'm still amazed at the Portal gun in HL2. Though I'm not sure which method is dirtier. This one seems like it needs a bit more effort. Which is kinda odd considering they games are on an identical branch of Source compared to HL2 n Portal being on separate branches. (even Gmod doesn't have Portal support yet)
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(He was being sarcastic)
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New survivors are dumb. (but brave)
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AHAHAAHAHA
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Left 4 Dead bought, first PC game bought since... ye gods, Titan Quest?
See you guys on steam if I can figure out how to make it work.
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No system is undefeatable.
Again, check back in six months for some exploits. : )
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The GameCube went years without people being able to run burned software on it too, no one remembers that.
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Everyone has some moral high horse about stuff like this and i'm sure a very large percentage of them can't say they've never downloaded anything ever "illegally" whether it be music, a video or anything else. Give it a rest, until you follow the law down to the letter then you really have to be quiet.
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Fact: If the PSPGo gets hacked, it won't be long before pirated games are being played on it and if that happens then shit turns bad sooo, unfortunately for homebrew, the best thing to have is a non-hackable system because it'll mean a lack of support from both Sony and 3rd party devs if the Go can play pirated games. Peole are expressing their concern and intelligently realising that hacking the Go isn't a good idea for the average PSP owner.
What you need to do is think of the knock-on effects this can have and consideri the already weak (but strengthening) dev support.
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I won't lie, people do tend to sicken me when they preach as though they've done nothing wrong, but the conversation isn't about their wrongs, assumptions of their wrongs, or speculation of hypocrisy. It's about the topic at hand and the finger should be pointed solely in that direction. You don’t have to be Ned Flanders to have an opinion about illegal activities.
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Moral superiority is irrelevant when your argument is factually wrong.
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Out of curiousity, what do you think about convicts or ex-convicts telling kids not to end up like them
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I think they do enough on their own to ensure lack of support. Where's that umd transfer program again? haha.
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What bothers me is when people claim an update "broke" some modded hardware and try to blame it on the company. Those people should know better than to update, plain and simple.
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Even though I feel you are a Nintendo hating site. Thanks for finally being fair. You post Wii hack stories once every 4 months.
Good job on reporting this.
Like Billy Jean said
"Fair is Fair"
Most of you kids will not get that reference.
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Since when does hacking = hating?
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It's WhatCD from over at GN! Sup dood?
Now, to tackle your post.
Most of this 'omg nintendo hate' crap (and yeah, a lot of it is crap - and I mean no offense to you, I'm just tired of it myself) can be explained logically and reasonably instead of posting cop out responses along the vein of 'omgbias! haterz'. This is no exception.
Check the 'hacks' and 'mods' tags, bro. You'll find that the other consoles are pretty much posted on just as much.
Only reason the Wii's mods get posted as often as they do is because Wii hackers are getting further with the system than any console hackers have ever gone before - that's including the PSP (and also that Wii hackers seem to be a bit more vocal about what they're doing).
Wii hating site? : /
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So none of those articles good old Luke post are Nintendo Hating at all. Come on now. Please pass the stuff you guys are smoking!
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Hmm so 6 to 3 or 2 articles. Well I give you the Wii hackers are loud mouths, but Luke and other writers on this site. I have proven too many times. The rather post bad news then goods about Nintendo and the Wii.
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anywhos, yeah, I'm just gonna come out and say it - no, none, or at least not as many as you would suggest, are straight up 'Nintendo hating', unless there was a reason to post an article that may be negatively construed in the first place. Considering that around GN, any article that isn't one hundred thousand percent positive regarding anything Nintendo is suddenly 'hating'... well, you know I'm exaggerating, but since the beginning of this gen, especially in the minds of Ninty fans, the bar for 'hating' has been lowered. I'm not saying there isn't a lot of idiotic or unjust hatred out there, but it seems like it's given you guys an excuse to claim that any and everything is hating these days.
Like this article, or articles like them, for example. Apparently, Wii hacking articles are a sign of hate, so therefore I can conclude that Owen Good clearly hates the PSP, and that he's posting to keep the poor console down, right?... or maybe, just maybe, the kinds of hacking developments that get posted have more to do with their noteworthiness or how loud that particular hacking community tends to be?
This also applies to your other post - hacking news isn't 'hating' like you seem to think it is. In fact, a lot of the articles here aren't 'hating', and again, can in fact be explained reasonably.
Remember that 'Nintendo from '89 to '2009' article that you and a bunch of other guys from GN claimed was totally biased and unfair, simply on the basis that they hadn't made a similar sort of article about companies that haven't been in gaming near as long as Ninty has?
yyyyyeeeeeeeeah
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Not every single person who cracks open their psp/wii/xbox360/ps3/etc. is trying to stick it to the man by saving money through piracy or damage the company who made the thing.
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sure a lotta people steal all their games, but a lotta people don't
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Dark Alex seems to have given up, he's already said that there's no plans for a newer M33 firmware version. I had to change over to GEN firmware because I wanted to be able to access the PS store and remote play again.
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There is something new about the firmware.
Namely the support for games with 5.55 or 6.00 Kernel.Can't play those on Dark Alex old Firmware.
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Thats my reaction to all this hacking nonsense.
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Trine will come to NA octobre 22nd
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To answer your question i can churn out a mean pun, offer a somewhat intelligent view on things, and i make light of nearly every situation. I'm also known to mooch of my friends' popularity, go ahead, check the profile