@reginald: I think you have your good sense inverted. Oshii's two GiTS movies were garbage.
Don't get me wrong, they were fine on their own, but failed in presenting the original concepts.
Koukaku Kidoutai: Stand Alone Complex is the superior interpretation of Shirow's cyberpunk world. (Or re-interpretation, in this case)
Hell, it managed to touch on more of the manga's content than the movies did, despite the first movie being directly based on one arc of the manga, the second movie being at least partially based on another, and SAC completely IGNORING the events of the manga.
Perhaps you do not have the background required to pass judgment in this instance?
@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Creative director tend to steer the art style and approuch.So we may get some Ghost in the Shell elements but it will be in a different art style. Appleseed and Vexille where pretty good movies so long as Shinji Aramaki uses the cell shade from the second Appleseed and Vexille it will look amazing. I felt the first Appleseed while plot amazing art style seemed sloppy.
GITS storyline had depth that could really make an individual contemplate his own existence and the current near-future reality unfolding before us all. Halo is about as deep as its drooling adolescent fan base.
@Monoxide: Sounds more like the halo haters are here to give more remarks as intelligent as themselves. First of all the story line doesn't need depth to be directed so your comment is pointless and secondly you're acting on the dumb presumption that all halo fans are idiotic adolescents.
pointless comment, random hate. You got anything good to add?
I obviously just wanted to voice hate toward Halo as a whole. Of course I'm a Halo hater many adults are, xxXX. It represents the Xbox live generation that has lowered the IQ of the gaming community as a whole, xxXX.
Your need to respond and insult my intelligence rather than attempt to defend the game or its story, xxXX... that gives me enough pleasure, xxXX.
@Monoxide: Yeah but some are the nice quiet kind and some aren't dumb enough to hate people for just liking a game. It's like hating someone for liking cats. Dogs better than cats so if you like cats I can hate you? Actually it's more a preference in presentation but I can see you don't appreciate anything like that.
Well I don't particularly think the story is that good. I never did. Halo CE impressed some people but there wasn't really much to it other than fighting the flood and covenant. Then suddenly the aliens started talking (which only the grunts did before). The plot also seemed weird to me. Either way I do defend the game, it's a great game for game play, multi player, features and community. Other than the story it's excellent. Sorry you don't like it but that's not really that important to anyone who likes it so I don't think it needs defending out right. You're getting pleasure because I have seen too many halo haters to jump into a huge list of why halo as a game is good? Your sad man. You must be bored to even be here hating on a game you don't even like but whatever.
@Monoxide: Now, I'm usally a fairly calm person. I respect that many, if not most people don't have the same tastes I do. But when some people, such as yourself, have the [i]gall[i/] to insult my intelligence, that simply puts me into a rage.
Who the [i]hell[/i] do you think you are to make such accusations that the Halo fanbase is made up of dribbling idiots! Have you no decency? Out of the millions of people who play and enjoy the game, how many do you actually think there are that are just as intelligent, or even more intelligent then yourself that simply don't like to talk? I play Halo, and I'm taking multiple AP classes, multiple years of a foriegn language, the highest levels of Math that my school allows, and you [i]dare[/i] to insult my intelligence? My uncle's the Dean at the University of Pennsylvania, for God's sake!
As I said, I don't mind that you have different tastes, and don't like Halo. But before you decide to yap about people insultin gyour intelligence, shut up a moment and stop insulting [i]mine.[/i]
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@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: The story for Halo:CE was actually really good; you were an abandoned super-soldier on a massive metal ring in space being hunted down by a large group of fascinating aliens (a colony of walking worms? WIN), only to discover that the ring was a giant weapon designed to kill all the food in the galaxy for a new alien race so voracious and resilient that even the builders of the weapon couldn't stop it.
Frankly, that premise is fucking amazing. Now, CE had some poor level design choices, which hurt the game's execution somewhat, but it also had some brilliant ones, constantly driving the game forw--wait, let's keep talking about story.
The story itself was influenced by such things as William Blake's "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" and Niven's "Ringworld" series, as well as lots of H.P. Lovecraft. It was as intelligent, if not moreso, than most of the games out there, from Half Life to Final Fantasy to really anything you want to name (with the exception of Marathon, which was so fucking intelligent it required footnotes and scholarly review).
Now, as for Halos 2 and 3, Joseph Staten's influence grew, and we got stupid things like fighting on the Covenant side. His book, Contact Harvest, was the worst in the series, and it featured uh, what, two poorly-written romance subplots and also featured the whole "covenant/human" perspectives that hurt The Flood so much.
@Monoxide: "Of course I'm a Halo hater many adults are, xxXX. It represents the Xbox live generation that has lowered the IQ of the gaming community as a whole, xxXX."
A few good apples doesn't sell me on the whole batch.
But I do apologize if I offended you so strongly. Yet as a whole- Halo fans are fairly ridiculous *in my opinion*.
Again, I never questioned your intelligence specifically. I am more insulting what I feel the brand has become. I was old enough when Halo 1 came out to appreciate the quality from a more mature standpoint, as it seems you are in school still. Halo 2 and 3 were shameful in plot.
Of course online play was great... but that doesn't make it deserving of awe and respect.
Not that I claim to be better than you in any way maturity has nothing to do with age. Just pointing to the fact that Halo is probably amazing to you... partly because of youthful nostalgia towards a series you have grown up with.
Anyhow I'm sorry I troll. I really just wrote that first comment riding a quick wtf reaction to someone I respect working with a franchise I do not.
@Monoxide:U am not a fan of Halo the game but the book from what my friend has stated, she is huge into sci-fi novels, say the story is more in depth. I personally liked the comic. Oshii is one of my favorite anime directors of all time and I own both movies and part of Stand Alone and I agree the stories make you question many things. I feel with creative help it could change people like you from simply seeing them as "drooling adolescents" as you put it. I will also defend friends who love Ghost in the Shell as well as Halo so clearly they are not all childish, so don't lump together out of hate because you create backlash hate from your personal ignorance.
@mindf1ow: I love Stand Alone Complex, but I know a lot of people that cannot drink in the near-constant flow of information. It's heady and spiritual (though not in a Jeebus sort of way).
@plebeianprint:
SAC was a magnificent anime. Everything about it was good. Awesome voice acting, well developed settings, great action, the whole nine yards.
@mrantimatter: Are we thinking of the same show? Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the first Ghost in the Shell Movie, but I don't know how they could have made Stand Alone Complex any more not interesting.
"hey, we have to raid this building!"
"Well, that was fun. Now lets talk about politics for an hour."
Hey, uh, Kotaku, you've got SAC up there. That's Kenji Kamiyama and his team's baby. It's very important considering the completely different takes on the GiTS universe. Oshii was only responsible for the movies GiTS and GiTS2: Innocence, not the TV adaptation of Shirow's manga.
@Black-Dog-Howls: Actually if I remember it correctly, Oshii is also responsible for SAC 2nd GIG
Edit: well, checking imdb now and he's not mentioned even in 2nd GIG, though I'd swear I've read it last week in the little booklet that was in the SAC pack with all those interesting information about GITS and SAC after I watched 1st & 2nd GIG again... mmmm will have to check again today :S
@Pepek: Nope. Kenji Kamiyama is director, writer, and did some of the storyboards for SAC, 2nd Gig, and SSS. Same team does many of I.G.s animated television programs and is currently at work on the two Eden of the East movies. They were also the team behind the Seirei no Moribito adap and Real Drive.
Last thing I knew Oshii did was GITS 2.0. Unfortunately, he doesn't accurately portray the world that Shirow created. Far too serious and less focus on the tech in the world.
That being said, Oshii would probably be the first person I would think of to make a GOOD Halo anime. Jin-Roh was an excellent movie.
He hasn't been directing Halo Legends because he's busy creating a new GitS FPS and also a new tv series, and a film! And a magical theme park situated twenty feet from my front door filled with Motoko rollercoasters and Batou go kart tracks! What? It could happen.
@Rhainor: They're in the movie, but they have their optic camoflage turned on. For the entire movie. And they stay really quiet. Your not buying any of this are you.
@DyingAtheist: I loved the funny little Fuchikona comic strip in the manga. Weren't they trying to form a union or something? I just remember them all crowded around.
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Don't get me wrong, they were fine on their own, but failed in presenting the original concepts.
Koukaku Kidoutai: Stand Alone Complex is the superior interpretation of Shirow's cyberpunk world. (Or re-interpretation, in this case)
Hell, it managed to touch on more of the manga's content than the movies did, despite the first movie being directly based on one arc of the manga, the second movie being at least partially based on another, and SAC completely IGNORING the events of the manga.
Perhaps you do not have the background required to pass judgment in this instance?
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You're right, the movies, although beautifully rendered, couldn't stack up to the depth that SAC brought to the table.
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pointless comment, random hate. You got anything good to add?
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Way to lump every Halo fan together in a "drooling adolescent" clump.
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I obviously just wanted to voice hate toward Halo as a whole. Of course I'm a Halo hater many adults are, xxXX. It represents the Xbox live generation that has lowered the IQ of the gaming community as a whole, xxXX.
Your need to respond and insult my intelligence rather than attempt to defend the game or its story, xxXX... that gives me enough pleasure, xxXX.
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Well I don't particularly think the story is that good. I never did. Halo CE impressed some people but there wasn't really much to it other than fighting the flood and covenant. Then suddenly the aliens started talking (which only the grunts did before). The plot also seemed weird to me. Either way I do defend the game, it's a great game for game play, multi player, features and community. Other than the story it's excellent. Sorry you don't like it but that's not really that important to anyone who likes it so I don't think it needs defending out right. You're getting pleasure because I have seen too many halo haters to jump into a huge list of why halo as a game is good? Your sad man. You must be bored to even be here hating on a game you don't even like but whatever.
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Who the [i]hell[/i] do you think you are to make such accusations that the Halo fanbase is made up of dribbling idiots! Have you no decency? Out of the millions of people who play and enjoy the game, how many do you actually think there are that are just as intelligent, or even more intelligent then yourself that simply don't like to talk? I play Halo, and I'm taking multiple AP classes, multiple years of a foriegn language, the highest levels of Math that my school allows, and you [i]dare[/i] to insult my intelligence? My uncle's the Dean at the University of Pennsylvania, for God's sake!
As I said, I don't mind that you have different tastes, and don't like Halo. But before you decide to yap about people insultin gyour intelligence, shut up a moment and stop insulting [i]mine.[/i]
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Frankly, that premise is fucking amazing. Now, CE had some poor level design choices, which hurt the game's execution somewhat, but it also had some brilliant ones, constantly driving the game forw--wait, let's keep talking about story.
The story itself was influenced by such things as William Blake's "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" and Niven's "Ringworld" series, as well as lots of H.P. Lovecraft. It was as intelligent, if not moreso, than most of the games out there, from Half Life to Final Fantasy to really anything you want to name (with the exception of Marathon, which was so fucking intelligent it required footnotes and scholarly review).
Now, as for Halos 2 and 3, Joseph Staten's influence grew, and we got stupid things like fighting on the Covenant side. His book, Contact Harvest, was the worst in the series, and it featured uh, what, two poorly-written romance subplots and also featured the whole "covenant/human" perspectives that hurt The Flood so much.
Good ideas, bad execution.
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I'm calling troll.
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A few good apples doesn't sell me on the whole batch.
But I do apologize if I offended you so strongly. Yet as a whole- Halo fans are fairly ridiculous *in my opinion*.
Again, I never questioned your intelligence specifically. I am more insulting what I feel the brand has become. I was old enough when Halo 1 came out to appreciate the quality from a more mature standpoint, as it seems you are in school still. Halo 2 and 3 were shameful in plot.
Of course online play was great... but that doesn't make it deserving of awe and respect.
Not that I claim to be better than you in any way maturity has nothing to do with age. Just pointing to the fact that Halo is probably amazing to you... partly because of youthful nostalgia towards a series you have grown up with.
Anyhow I'm sorry I troll. I really just wrote that first comment riding a quick wtf reaction to someone I respect working with a franchise I do not.
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First- yes I was bored.
Second- I apologize for the troll
Third- admitting the story was terrible is all I was looking for. With that said I'll concede this and state that multiplayer was obviously amazing.
But I commented on this post, as I said on another reply, in shock as to why someone I respected so much would be working with this story.
Hopefully, in my opinion, it gets thrown out and redone.
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Definitely walking the line- again, I apologize.
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SAC was a magnificent anime. Everything about it was good. Awesome voice acting, well developed settings, great action, the whole nine yards.
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"hey, we have to raid this building!"
"Well, that was fun. Now lets talk about politics for an hour."
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You must have been. Was there a lot of talking? Sure, but in the end, it all served a purpose.
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Edit: well, checking imdb now and he's not mentioned even in 2nd GIG, though I'd swear I've read it last week in the little booklet that was in the SAC pack with all those interesting information about GITS and SAC after I watched 1st & 2nd GIG again... mmmm will have to check again today :S
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Masamune works with his team.
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That being said, Oshii would probably be the first person I would think of to make a GOOD Halo anime. Jin-Roh was an excellent movie.
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Yeah, I know they'll never make another one...but still, a man can dream.
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A tachikoma version of that spinning teacup thing would be awesomesauce.
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