Oh, please, fuck off, Gamestop. You stopped being a friend to PC gaming when you stopped taking in used PC games.
I mean, seriously. Has anyone seen the PC games section in most Gamestops? You're lucky to get one hip-high, floor-standing shelf of PC games.
And the selection? Please. It's a few new release title sandwiched between casual gaming crap and games that didn't sell out three years ago.
Granted, I prefer to get a physical copy of my PC games, and still patronize Gamestop on occasion for this exact reason, but I now buy the majority of my PC games on Steam.
And don't get me started on the whole Gamestop pre-order/exclusive online content thing. It's stupid, gimmicky, and pisses everyone off. Nobody is not going to pirate the game because of some stupid pair of gloves or whatever you get for your character in a preorder.
As a PC gamer, I'm deeply aware of CD key issues. But if you have a non-Steam PC game that comes with a CD key, it's actually transferrable to another person. It's printed on the manual (usually).
Yes, I know that a big reason they stopped carrying used PC games was the problem with people selling the physical copy of the game while keeping the CD key.
What I don't appreciate is watching the PC gaming section in Gamestop shrinking to casual games and obscurity while they try and make it seem like they're a friend to PC Gaming.
Gamestop, the store that has over the year moved PC games ont a single double sided rack in a store surrounded by thousands of console games? They shouldn't be allowed in the alliance, they have only contributed to the problem.
What the hell is Gamespot joining the PC alliance for?! They have a terrible selection of PC games. Hell, the local store here didn't even get in SFIV and had no record of it ever existing on their system!
Great news! Except I'm more worried than ever for the impact the PC Gaming Allinace may have on PC games. Before it was...well none, they haven't done anything except admit new members.
But now that they've got Gamestop, the biggest peddler of used games, and after seeing them add SecuROM, how long is it till they devise a DRM scheme that will let people sell their PC games used? SecuROM will find some way restrict people who bought it in an equally hilarious and terrible way, and Gamestop will allow the resale of select PC games that adhere to their standards.
PC gaming doesn't have a secondary market because of people being able to keep their CD keys, a key being banned, all that fun stuff. But with the inclusion of whatever fancy SecuROM scheme, PC games will suffer from both used sales and, despite their best efforts, piracy isn't going away.
This is all gloom and doom speculation. It could be something as simple as Gamestop stocking more than an island of four year old PC games, but I'm pessimistic when it comes to PC games.
The PCGA is starting to sound like a Cigar Club more and more.
-What is the purpose of the Club may i ask?
-Well fine sir, the purpose is to get together smoke some "weed" and do nothing for an undetermined amount of time.
- Aahhh! Joly good show!
Perhaps the brick and mortar retails will start selling video cards and maybe RAM sticks. One of the reasons PC gaming isn't very popular is that most people get computers without dedicated video cards. If major retailers like GameStop sold these, the PC gaming community would grow.
Other groups within the PC Gaming Alliance that are much like Gamestop in their "promotion" of PC gaming are Microsoft and Dell. Nearly all the big name PC makers have done more than anyone else to fuel the "gaming PC is ZOMG EXPENSIVE" myth by overcharging with absolutely ridiculous 100% to 200% markups for video cards, other "gamer" hardware and "gamer" systems. As for Microsoft, no other company has bought out as many developers so that they would divert their focus from producing good WORTHWHILE PC games than they have. Bioware, EPIC, id, infinity ward, and yes, even Bungie, are just some of the prime examples of previously PC-centric developers who have changed the way they made games to cater to the Xbox audience and Xbox platform while throwing crummy one year late ports to the PC. Then they have the nerve to blame the lack of sales on a "waning" PC market when their products were never even catered to the PC audience in the first place.
Seriously this alliance is practically worthless and many of its members really don't give a flying fuck if PC gaming goes under. I mean what have any of its members done to promote PC gaming at all? Games for Windows live?!? Please.
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Did Microsoft buy out Epic, Bioware, or iD, though?
No?
Then are you just complaining that these companies have made a choice on their own that favors Microsoft?
Yes?
Oh, ok.
@friebpp: Bioware and id are still dedicated to the platform, Dragon Age: Origins and Rage being developed with the PC as their main platform proves this. They simply realize that with the cost of development what it is today that they have to expand their market. I couldn't agree more on Epic and Infinity Ward and couldn't give two shits about Bungie.
@Kicken: I'm sorry, using the term "bought out" wasn't what I really meant. I should've just said that Microsoft threw enormous sums of money at these developers to make their games either timed exclusives on the Xbox and/or remove features/gameplay quirks that were present in their past PC-centric games in order to make it more palatable for the Xbox. I'm of course not talking about recent history. I have absolutely no issue with developers today like id making the correct financial decision to support consoles. My main gripe is the shady and cutthroat methods Microsoft has used since the first Xbox to create the current console market. I mean really, back in the Xbox 1 days, the PC market was just as, if not more viable than Microsoft's console, yet Bioware still released Kotor as an Xbox timed exclusive.
More like Darth Vader joining the rebellion. I mean, are you kidding me? They're practically mortal enemies! PC keeps coming up with ways to keep resellers and Gamestop refuses to carry more htan half a shelf at best. If they had it their way, PC gaming wouldn't even exist! As far as some are concerned, it doesn't!
@Evdor:
Honestly, the only Retailer that still has a decent amount of space dedicated to PC gaming is WAL-MART, and they shove them into some unassuming corner a few aisles down from the spectacularly showcased Console games with pretty little kiosks.
PC gaming really needs what the console has always had. It's extremely rare to see a PC kiosk at a game store. If they existed, I'm sure A LOT more people would be aware of PC gaming.
Instead, you have a large amount of people that don't even know that it still exists. Plenty of people in my school, when I tell them that I have Left 4 Dead on PC (or something like that) they ask me how on Earth I control FPS games on PC.
My sister was shocked to learn that one of my recent purchases was a PC game made in 2008 (Sins of a Solar Empire.) She had no idea that they still made games for PC.
My mom is the same way. Up until recently, she was under the assumption that PCs were FAR inferior to consoles when it came to technology and game-related processing.
The thing is, I don't blame either of them. You NEVER see PC games in public. Game magazines, websites, and TV shows consistently review the Console versions of just about every game that isn't an MMO. I haven't seen a single PC review of Left 4 Dead in a Multi-platform magazine. The PC version of a game is always listed last in advertisements. When a game comes out on 360 and PC, it is considered a '360 exclusive.'
The PC is treated like the unwanted stepchild of gaming, like it doesn't matter, like it isn't even part of the competition. Well I guess that's true seeing as there is no mainstream recognition that it is a serious gaming device.
This is why I wish that Valve would just take charge and start promoting the PC. I wish they could hold Press conferences at E3 alongside the big 3 console makers.
Anyways, the PC gaming alliance has already proven itself to be a silly bunch of companies who obviously aren't concerned with helping PC gaming. I think the last major entry to the club was the division of Sony that developed SecuRom.
@Kicken: The Best Buy here has a really big PC section too, though still a bit smaller than the 360 section.
Also, the Gamestop has a "Games For Windows" kiosk. But it's hardly ever working and it houses a relatively crappy machine that makes the games look way inferior to 360 or PS3 anyway. Bug, or Feature?
@ReconToaster.: My shop used to have a PC running games on it, but all that ever managed to do was clog up my store with people standing around it on their break and not buying things. The case for interactive kiosks increasing sales is very poor, in fact there was a drop in PC game sales during the period we had the machine running.
At the best you'd get increased sales on the one game, but no bottom-line sales increase.
Whenever I hear PC Gaming Alliance, I imagine that scene from Dr. Strangelove where the president and all of his advisors are in a bunker deep below the earth.
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I mean, seriously. Has anyone seen the PC games section in most Gamestops? You're lucky to get one hip-high, floor-standing shelf of PC games.
And the selection? Please. It's a few new release title sandwiched between casual gaming crap and games that didn't sell out three years ago.
Granted, I prefer to get a physical copy of my PC games, and still patronize Gamestop on occasion for this exact reason, but I now buy the majority of my PC games on Steam.
And don't get me started on the whole Gamestop pre-order/exclusive online content thing. It's stupid, gimmicky, and pisses everyone off. Nobody is not going to pirate the game because of some stupid pair of gloves or whatever you get for your character in a preorder.
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As a PC gamer, I'm deeply aware of CD key issues. But if you have a non-Steam PC game that comes with a CD key, it's actually transferrable to another person. It's printed on the manual (usually).
Yes, I know that a big reason they stopped carrying used PC games was the problem with people selling the physical copy of the game while keeping the CD key.
What I don't appreciate is watching the PC gaming section in Gamestop shrinking to casual games and obscurity while they try and make it seem like they're a friend to PC Gaming.
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GameStop doesn't give a shit about PC Games. Just look at any retail PC shelf in their stores - some of them are just ONE DAMN SHELF.
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But now that they've got Gamestop, the biggest peddler of used games, and after seeing them add SecuROM, how long is it till they devise a DRM scheme that will let people sell their PC games used? SecuROM will find some way restrict people who bought it in an equally hilarious and terrible way, and Gamestop will allow the resale of select PC games that adhere to their standards.
PC gaming doesn't have a secondary market because of people being able to keep their CD keys, a key being banned, all that fun stuff. But with the inclusion of whatever fancy SecuROM scheme, PC games will suffer from both used sales and, despite their best efforts, piracy isn't going away.
This is all gloom and doom speculation. It could be something as simple as Gamestop stocking more than an island of four year old PC games, but I'm pessimistic when it comes to PC games.
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-What is the purpose of the Club may i ask?
-Well fine sir, the purpose is to get together smoke some "weed" and do nothing for an undetermined amount of time.
- Aahhh! Joly good show!
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So that's why they accepted Lando.
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Seriously this alliance is practically worthless and many of its members really don't give a flying fuck if PC gaming goes under. I mean what have any of its members done to promote PC gaming at all? Games for Windows live?!? Please.
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Did Microsoft buy out Epic, Bioware, or iD, though?
No?
Then are you just complaining that these companies have made a choice on their own that favors Microsoft?
Yes?
Oh, ok.
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Honestly, the only Retailer that still has a decent amount of space dedicated to PC gaming is WAL-MART, and they shove them into some unassuming corner a few aisles down from the spectacularly showcased Console games with pretty little kiosks.
PC gaming really needs what the console has always had. It's extremely rare to see a PC kiosk at a game store. If they existed, I'm sure A LOT more people would be aware of PC gaming.
Instead, you have a large amount of people that don't even know that it still exists. Plenty of people in my school, when I tell them that I have Left 4 Dead on PC (or something like that) they ask me how on Earth I control FPS games on PC.
My sister was shocked to learn that one of my recent purchases was a PC game made in 2008 (Sins of a Solar Empire.) She had no idea that they still made games for PC.
My mom is the same way. Up until recently, she was under the assumption that PCs were FAR inferior to consoles when it came to technology and game-related processing.
The thing is, I don't blame either of them. You NEVER see PC games in public. Game magazines, websites, and TV shows consistently review the Console versions of just about every game that isn't an MMO. I haven't seen a single PC review of Left 4 Dead in a Multi-platform magazine. The PC version of a game is always listed last in advertisements. When a game comes out on 360 and PC, it is considered a '360 exclusive.'
The PC is treated like the unwanted stepchild of gaming, like it doesn't matter, like it isn't even part of the competition. Well I guess that's true seeing as there is no mainstream recognition that it is a serious gaming device.
This is why I wish that Valve would just take charge and start promoting the PC. I wish they could hold Press conferences at E3 alongside the big 3 console makers.
Anyways, the PC gaming alliance has already proven itself to be a silly bunch of companies who obviously aren't concerned with helping PC gaming. I think the last major entry to the club was the division of Sony that developed SecuRom.
/rant *sad face
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The local Best Buy (I'm in Tempe, near Phoenix) has a larger PC section than any other section.
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Also, the Gamestop has a "Games For Windows" kiosk. But it's hardly ever working and it houses a relatively crappy machine that makes the games look way inferior to 360 or PS3 anyway. Bug, or Feature?
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At the best you'd get increased sales on the one game, but no bottom-line sales increase.
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I meant more along the lines of just letting people know that PC gaming still exists.
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That, Dear Sir, is what we here in the Land of Reality call a 'Pipe Dream.'
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