Christ. Someone needs to shut these guys up, i'm so sick of listening to them now. If you look at my post history you will probably see i was quite a big supporter of IW but i couldn't care less about them anymore. Sure MW2 will be fun and will sell silly amoutns but the amount of negative shit that they have shoehorned into this game coupled with their piss poor attitude makes me want to the game to fail. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
It will eventually. Personally, I give them about two more years before the well runs dry. Look at Guitar Hero. Obviously different developers but the principle is still the same.
In addition they've got a stalking horse on their tales in Bad Company. EA could teach great white sharks a thing or two about being an apex predator. They (EA) found religion a couple years ago and I strongly believe they're going to give DICE the resources they need to produce an amazing property in Battlefield Bad Company. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
So, as PC gamers, how about we all just go buy Bad Company 2 and enjoy EA....actually willing to support dedicated servers, mods, and player control. Hell, even Battlefield Heroes got a notice saying they'll support dedicated servers for as long as the game is running and offer rentable servers.
Personally I willing accept our new PC Gaming Messiah. Also since EA owns the C&C IP, they're messiah poster boy can be Kane :D #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Shinta: Q: Okay ... so, avatar clothes, fine. Tell us about your new integration into the XBox Live Marketplace and what options gamers have in store for them?
IW: I'm glad you asked that, actually we've prepared a video to help illustrate just how amazing the new MW2 experience, and the edition of avatar clothes, is going to be for conso- .... gamers! F.A.T.P.H.U.C. Fashion Awareness To Promote Healthy Urban Communities.
@AncientUnknown1: I hope it utterly fails and sees an extremely high return rate. -but hey, I guess I'll just have to get used to someone else choosing my car and driving it despite making me buy the car. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
God, the bullshit dripping out of Bowling's mouth could drown a blue whale. Christ...making decisions for your consumers and telling them "you'll buy it and like it!" just should not fucking fly.
I don't really know why I care, because I can't stand Call of Duty in GENERAL, but it just makes me so angry to see Infinity Ward just kicking PC gamers into the dirt, spitting on them, pissing on them, and thne kicking them a few times for good measure.
"Our most feature-rich PC game yet", eh? Considering you've cut out pretty much every single feature that made it a PC game, I'm gonna have to disagree. Such bullshit. Penn and Teller would throw up just listening to it. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Archaotic: And they say that they are making these changes to the PC vesion to better the multiplayer. But how can they aim to make it better by simply removing most of what makes it fun, exciting etc.
I love the chart. Simple, yet it simply gets the point across. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Archaotic: I think I know why you care. This moment, this game, will shape pc games as we know them. If it succedes at all it could be the downfall of pc gaming as we know it. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
Majority of PC gamers, not you guys, the CORE, but the majority of Casual PC gamers don't care about manually slecteing a server, controlin bad language, free demo's, or the ability to record The majority would believe Mod's would be cheats, and that certain people could ban them for no reason unfair.
So really in the minds of the noncore pc gamer, The features which have been added, Lack of Mods (cheats...), and People who kick you from a server, and not having to chose a game, are actually positives.
@Failureman: It's a possibility which I personally don't wanna see occur in the future.
I don't think that it would lead to the downfall of PC gaming, but it would lay down a precedent of not trying to give PC gamers what they want/would like/are used to.
I'm all for change, if it makes sense to the majority of people involved. But when the changes that are being made appear to spite the PC gamers, then that worries me. Greatly. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@kearneybobs: A number of things. I did some modding on Halo 2.
Both in the way things happen: IE speed of guns, health, damage, vehicle changes, and a bunch of things. Or in level design IE: New levels, new skins, change of gun appearance, and other things
I realize that the MAJORITY of Mods focus on level design, gun design, reskinning and the like but it does open the door up for The other things, like flying or health or damage modifiers #callofdutymodernwarfare2
I hate to ask, but how interested are "casual PC gamers" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Bejeweled-casual) in a game like this? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Cameron Ferguson: You've got 'modding' pegged completely wrong. In these types of games, you're either playing on a completely modded server or a completely unmodded server. In the modded servers, everyone's going to have the same advantages as everyone else. It's meant to be played differently from the original game, be it health mods or gun mods.
I just went around the internet looking at the prices. USD$90 on steam, AUD$100 (PC) and AUD$120(console) on ebgames. My nose and eyebrows are like 1.5 inches higher than they were. Even if I weren't boycotting it, I wouldnt even be able to afford it. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
That small group started you up IW.
That small group run thousands of dedicated servers for your last game IW
That small group still earned you over $30million on your last game
That small group should not be ignored, shat upon, told that these new 'features' are great, lied to, or treat like idiots.
"feature-rich PC game yet." oh like Mouse support text chat n graphic settings?
Just sucks this game will be making most it's cash on console so IW just don't really care at all.
Guess they went to [www.soul4cash.com] in these harsh economic times.
@deanbmmv: Seriously, Infinity Ward should just stop talking at this point. This is like insensitive son-in-law saying something rude to his mother-in-law, then spending the next 45 minutes trying to justify what he said which only results in the mother-in-law getting more pissed.
IW, a word of advice, just shut the hell up. You've already ruined the experience for PC gamers. No need to try to justify your piss-poor behavior by saying "peh, they're just a couple of dudes anyway. Vocal minority lololol". Just admit that you have terrible public relations and shut up before you piss off more people. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
The reason why I liked CoD4 was that it was simple and it sticked to its core compentencies well: shooting dudes in the face. Everything seems so complicated now. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
When did remove all dedicated server support, mods, and limiting the number of players became "feature rich" for us pc players again? Maybe I'm just an old timer who is out of the loop on these sort of things. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
...and I still am. Honestly, I think if anyone has been following the industry with any sort of regularity, it had to be pretty clear that PC gaming would soon become more like console gaming.
The hardcore PC players love to believe in their utopia. Their magical world where their "loyal" developers will never do them wrong, and where they are free to customize their game experience in any way they want.
It's a nice idea to be sure, but there's money to be made. And if there's anything this generation has taught us, it's that publishers (Especially Activision!) will never miss a chance to make money.
Of course, I was never opposed to getting rid of dedicated servers to begin with, so maybe I'm biased. I just think it's a little silly for people to expect publishers to still put in the time and money to develop games for the PC, but then not take advantage of obvious opportunities to make more money on the platform.
@QualityJeverage: It's exactly this sort of mindset that encourages publishers and developers to throw shit at their loyal fans. "Hey, I think that letting a business take advantage of the customer is the best way to go! It's definitely a sign of the industry's evolution." As long as they can make more money and break pre-order records, who the fuck cares that Modern Warfare 2 is probably going to be just another sequel?
And when was the last time a big publisher put any time and money into a PC port? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@QualityJeverage: They can still make money.
You can still sell DLC n expansion packs (DLC/expansion's started out on PC....) And you could probs sell more copies of t he game if you didn't needlessly increase the price.
And what is the point of PC gaming becoming like console gaming? If folks wanted console gaming they would play games on a console, not play on a PC.
"to develop games for the PC, but then not use the advantages of the platform." - a correction of how that sentence should be. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@QualityJeverage: Of course, I was never opposed to getting rid of dedicated servers to begin with, so maybe I'm biased.
You're not biased - you're either not a PC gamer, or you're just an idiot. The lack of dedicated servers will kill the game's longevity.
Ever tried playing a game on Xbox Live that's more than a year old and doesn't involve space marines and/or military deathmatch? Hint: you can't find anybody playing online. Matchmaking loses its value when there's nobody looking to play at the exact moment you are. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: But what CAN we do to stop it? Organize the ridiculously tiny "hardcore" minority over the internet to sign a petition and boycott the game?
I never said it was a good thing, or that I supported it. (Though, in this specific case, I do. I don't like the current PC multiplayer model, but that's a comment for another day...)
I'm just trying to say that if people thought PC gaming would stay the same forever, they were being unrealistic. Yes it sucks. No amount of internet petitions or boycotting are going to stop it.
Maybe I feel differently because I don't feel betrayed by a lack of dedicated servers, but I just think the virulent reaction to this is a little ridiculous. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@QualityJeverage: Do not support the developrs supporting this crap.
I don't care for online petitions, but I do have a wallet. Valve has a great model, I buy their games, EA has a crappy PC model, didn't buy their games. Look at the sales for Mirrors Edge, that was a great game but included securom, vs Team Fortress 2, which is another great game with the best business model for a game ever.
Do all developers support this? No, support the ones who don't. When more money is to be had not being a douchebag, you have to change your model to fit that.
And there can be no possible reason for you to not like dedicated servers, because even with dedicated servers you can do a matchmaking system, the only thing is you will STILL HAVE BETTER PING AND MORE OPTIONS. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
This is what I've been saying, though not necessarily in this thread. People should be voting with their wallet. Not flooding internet forums with tearful posts about IW's betrayal. Not organizing futile petitions. They should be voting with their wallet, and not purchasing the game.
I must apologize for not being clear earlier. This whole controversy is such a clusterfrak at this point, I'm not even sure where I stand on it anymore. *sigh*
@QualityJeverage: Then we agree, stop the money from being able to made and get shit changed. State your opinion so it can be heard, though, and also do not buy the product.
Also, I feel I just must clarify this for you, a dedicated server is not a server browser. It's not choosing from a huge list of servers and joining a specific game or something, if that is what you think. Left 4 Dead has match making, but it also utilizes both P2P and dedicated servers. After you are grouped with a bunch of players, the game looks for a dedicated server for you all to join, and if it can't find one a person host it locally and your ping is far worse.
Now lets say you are a mail man, and one person needs to get a letter to somebody else. Sending that one letter to another person is not a problem. Now lets say there are 5 people sending letters to each other all at the same time and are scatter across the country. It's convoluted, error prone, and inefficent. Now imagine you have a postal center in the middle, where the letters are sent, and everything is sorted, so all the information can be easily sent to the end users. That is a dedicated server.
I do not like matchmaking, maybe you do, but that is not the reason for the out cry. The reason for the outcry is the removal of dedicated servers, which while destroying a bunch of communities, means playing with people really far from you, and a lot of them, means tons of lag. It's just a bad system that breaks when 32 people are playing from global positions, and can break even with 18 people from all around the world. Ever notice how on the xbox it finds players near you? It does that for a reason, a latency driven reason. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@QualityJeverage: Problem is. How the hell do Activsion find out how many people didn't but their game. Cos thers like 6billion folks who won't buy their game.
So at least this way with petitions, n complaints we can tell IW why we aren't buying their game so they can improve on this for MW3. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
I like this article. I can't think of any other title were every detail about the game was analyzed and scrutinized almost instantly. The sense of entitlement from the PC fans was astounding to me. Their situation does suck, but to be so angry before they even tried it amazed me. It kinda sucked to see IW make so many PR mistakes leading to launch after so many months of buildup, but despite all this game will sell well because the final product is excellent. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Kapwan:
I think this sense of entitlement comes from the contribution the mod community has made to the whole series, and how they simply mangled everything that allows community modding.
I'm not sure if this analogy will stick, but here it goes.
@ILOVEGAMES: More like, as if Counter Strike wasn't dedicated, 3vs3 and had crappy 'core' commercials playing. Also was backed by Kotick. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
That statement usually refers to a sense of excess entitlement, like PC gamers saying they should get DLC for free when consoles don't, just because "that's how it's always been" or some bullshit and condemning the game because "how dare they use practices created by dumb consoles".
You should have seen people saying they'd boycott fallout 3 DLC on the gamefaqs boards just because it wasn't a free download like how it used to be. It's just sad, and has really hurt the PC gaming crowds image and led to the "PC elitest" stereotype, which in my opinion isn't necessarily true, but partially deserved by the way some of the more vocal PC gamers tend to act. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@ILOVEGAMES: Just as Half-Life did to Valve, modding is what made IW. Yes, they made good shooters - but plenty of other companies did too. The modding, the dedicated servers that the community itself was paying for was what made CoD as popular as it got - which in turn made IW its money (as pirates can't play online without playing over vpn with other pirates) which got it its increased budgets and leeway leading up to CoD4. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Vecha: One more Month: Which is why...I'm not buying it?
The points being made are nothing are pc gamers are crying because of a sense of entitlement. I'm entitled to get what I pay for, and I'm saying I will not buy something if it's not worth the money. Even though the product could be good, design decisions that need to be changed, are not being changed, and if they were, I would buy it.
If somebody told me, "you are a douchebag" because I just stole somebody's PS3 who beat up my little brother and broke it, I would say, "Like it's a bad thing, they messed with my little brother." Figure the rest out from there. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: I think you have it backwards. You don't give them money and get want you want. They create a product and you choose whether or not it is a product you're interested in buying. You're making it sound like they are tricking you into buying a game without dedicated servers. You know what you are paying for before hand.
The point Kapwan was making (as I interpret it) is that some gamers think that developers owe it to them to make the game that they want just because they have bought the developers game in the past. I'm sorry, if I'm a developer, I am making the game that I want to make and that I think will produce the most profit.
Obviously, this could be the publisher types pushing the developer types towards decisions and I understand nothing is ever a straight line. The point that I feel I am failing to make is that they don't owe you shit just because you have given them money in the past. You paid for a product as is; not for future products.
In summation, you are getting exactly what you pay for. Your paying for 9v9 and match making. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
You realize that's how most violence feeds on itself and creates some of the greatest atrocities to ever occur correct?
Not to mention an analogy with no further discussion as to the logic, or evidence to back up said logic is a completely defenseless position.
Not to mention the analogy itself seems flawed or completely irrelevent, which comes from, as stated, you inability, or lack of desire to further explain or back up your position. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Heathro: Which is why it's bullshit, and which is why I won't pay for it, and which is why if they want my money, and hopefully the majority of pc gamers money in the future, they will change their bullshit policy. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Cerabret100: Or you could not understand that the point being made was I was fully aware of what sense of entitlement meant, and it's negative connotation, and was simply justifying the actions I and others are taking, showing that I am in fact not following some sense of entitlement, and am doing justified actions. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: Again, I don't have the numbers to support this but the hardcore (members of PC gaming communities) are probably not the majority and I don't think will affect the bottom line much.
I do think games should strive to build community and this really seems to be going against that. Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that they are essentially ruining the game for a subset of gamers.
@Kapwan: "he sense of entitlement from the PC fans was astounding to me. Their situation does suck, but to be so angry before they even tried it amazed me."
You really don't need to 'try' something to notice something missing. If I was selling you a car, but it didn't have brakes, would you try the car first before you asked why the hell it didn't have brakes? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@Durandal: The worse thing is, we HAVE tried it. We have already driven that car without breaks and it sucked. This isn't really something different, it's something that the PC community has had in the past. In the case of matchmaking, it isn't something "new and better", it's something "old and backwards". #callofdutymodernwarfare2
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: @†FunkBrothaDee†: These sentiments you two seem to have always work right? justified to do wrong because of what was done to you, or expecting always being given something because you are "superior"
Hell no, nobody ever went wrong with those ways of thinking.
PC gamers online in discussions like this are either compromising, or (more likely) just sad self justifications and a superiority complex in one little packages.
Truth be told, i don't even see why people just don't throw away statuses like PC gaming and Console gaming, and just say "I'm a gamer"
Not like there's much difference beyond graphics which half the time prove shallow because of over-emphasis. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
I know it may sound a little silly, but im also quite lookign forward to revising COD4 on it's Wii outing. It's my all time favourite FPS and im sure no matter how much controversy MW2 generates, im sure I wil end up loving it too, but I may not be picking it up on the european lauch day... sometime later on, I hope. Im a bit disapointed with the PC version news as of late, tought... me and I sense quite a few more people... #callofdutymodernwarfare2
More than anything else in my mind, that was their single biggest misstep, especially since their "community" has embraced it and the acronym is all over their official message boards now, in countless signatures, banners, and topics.
Good job, Infinity Ward, for encouraging people to be hateful and to think it's hilarious to use a slur as some kind of rallying cry.
The video is what pushed me from "buy it used" to "never touching my disc tray".
I don't care if the spinning disc creates a holographic manifestation of The Christ to protrude from my XBox and simultaneously forgive me of all my misdeeds and provide me with 72 virgins like a giant snack machine.
I do not care if the game breaks halfway through in intermission and provides "A Very Special Message from Infinity Ward" and says "oh, just kidding guys. Don't encourage homophobic behavior, it's not cool." followed by "THE MORE YOU KNOW" animation they use on NBC, before erupting in a wave of euphoria that sexually satisfies all who behave in matchmaking.
I do not care if the disc installs firmware to my XBox that turns into a Transformer (preferably a Decepticon, for my example, if you guys at IW are taking notes) that can make my coffee, disinfect my shower and keeps my and my girl's feet warm at night at the foot of our bed.
I do not care if they give away this game for free, and PAY ME directly to my PayPal $10 an hour to play it. I'd sooner go and flip burgers as a matter of principle while telling my boss "Whatever you say, man. Because THIS. IS. THE. GAME. OF. THE. YEAR."
Here I thought Treyarch were the bad guys in the whole Call of Duty clusterfuck, but I'm never touching this game, nor anything else by Infinity Ward in the future. I don't care how many people play it, I do not care about it's Metacritic score, I do not care about any political message that I might've aligned with that it might've conveyed.
IW is dead to me, and will remain until they find themselves in a revival that one only finds after they've fallen from climbing to the pinnacle. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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It will eventually. Personally, I give them about two more years before the well runs dry. Look at Guitar Hero. Obviously different developers but the principle is still the same.
In addition they've got a stalking horse on their tales in Bad Company. EA could teach great white sharks a thing or two about being an apex predator. They (EA) found religion a couple years ago and I strongly believe they're going to give DICE the resources they need to produce an amazing property in Battlefield Bad Company. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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My god, EA is becoming the patron saint of PC gaming........ #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Personally I willing accept our new PC Gaming Messiah. Also since EA owns the C&C IP, they're messiah poster boy can be Kane :D #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
"We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it."
This is pretty much their answer to all the problems the community has.
Now I'm just paraphrasing the next part, so forgive me for anything I get wrong.
"Question: Why is the player cap smaller?
IW: The maps are balanced for 9 vs. 9.
Q: But my clan is much larger and doesn't mind to break the balance if it means all of us can play together.
IW: We just want you to have a better experience. We also want you to buy the new larger map packs since we cut you off from custom content. Next.
Q: Will it be possible to use console commands to change the viewing angle this time around?
IW: No, it breaks the balance. If you do try to change it we'll ban you.
Q: Will we be able to ban or kick hackers and cheaters from our games?
IW: No, that's OUR goal, not yours.
Q: This is Related to the 360 version.
IW: Finally... go on.
Q: Why is there no party chat in hardcore mode? It's one of the reasons I pay for XBL.
IW: To stop you from talking to your buddies while you're dead, you little cheater.
Q: So, how are you going to stop me from using Ventrilo?
IW: I thought you were talking about the 360 version.
Q: Okay... how about a cell phone?
IW: We're working on a solution to that problem. We want you to play the way WE designed it. Next.
Q: Dedicated servers?
IW: Better experience.
Q: Leaning?
IW: Ruins the balance.
Q: Of your character?
IW: No, the balance of the entire game.
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IW: The recession hit us hard too you know.
Q: What? But what about the economic concerns of gamers?
IW: Vocal minority. Didn't you say this was getting to a 360 question? We have these neat avatar clothes.
Q: ...
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IW: I'm glad you asked that, actually we've prepared a video to help illustrate just how amazing the new MW2 experience, and the edition of avatar clothes, is going to be for conso- .... gamers! F.A.T.P.H.U.C. Fashion Awareness To Promote Healthy Urban Communities.
Q: ... #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
I would love to see this game set sales records. I hope it broadens the audience and brings more people into gaming. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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God, the bullshit dripping out of Bowling's mouth could drown a blue whale. Christ...making decisions for your consumers and telling them "you'll buy it and like it!" just should not fucking fly.
I don't really know why I care, because I can't stand Call of Duty in GENERAL, but it just makes me so angry to see Infinity Ward just kicking PC gamers into the dirt, spitting on them, pissing on them, and thne kicking them a few times for good measure.
"Our most feature-rich PC game yet", eh? Considering you've cut out pretty much every single feature that made it a PC game, I'm gonna have to disagree. Such bullshit. Penn and Teller would throw up just listening to it. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
I love the chart. Simple, yet it simply gets the point across. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Majority of PC gamers, not you guys, the CORE, but the majority of Casual PC gamers don't care about manually slecteing a server, controlin bad language, free demo's, or the ability to record The majority would believe Mod's would be cheats, and that certain people could ban them for no reason unfair.
So really in the minds of the noncore pc gamer, The features which have been added, Lack of Mods (cheats...), and People who kick you from a server, and not having to chose a game, are actually positives.
Thats what IW is saying. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
I don't think that it would lead to the downfall of PC gaming, but it would lay down a precedent of not trying to give PC gamers what they want/would like/are used to.
I'm all for change, if it makes sense to the majority of people involved. But when the changes that are being made appear to spite the PC gamers, then that worries me. Greatly. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Both in the way things happen: IE speed of guns, health, damage, vehicle changes, and a bunch of things. Or in level design IE: New levels, new skins, change of gun appearance, and other things
I realize that the MAJORITY of Mods focus on level design, gun design, reskinning and the like but it does open the door up for The other things, like flying or health or damage modifiers #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
I hate to ask, but how interested are "casual PC gamers" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Bejeweled-casual) in a game like this? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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You don't use modded servers for "cheating." #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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That small group started you up IW.
That small group run thousands of dedicated servers for your last game IW
That small group still earned you over $30million on your last game
That small group should not be ignored, shat upon, told that these new 'features' are great, lied to, or treat like idiots.
"feature-rich PC game yet." oh like Mouse support text chat n graphic settings?
Just sucks this game will be making most it's cash on console so IW just don't really care at all.
Guess they went to
[www.soul4cash.com] in these harsh economic times.
11/06/09
IW, a word of advice, just shut the hell up. You've already ruined the experience for PC gamers. No need to try to justify your piss-poor behavior by saying "peh, they're just a couple of dudes anyway. Vocal minority lololol". Just admit that you have terrible public relations and shut up before you piss off more people. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Except now you get to shoot civilians in the face as well. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I predict a cross between Transformers 2, and Demolition Man. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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...and I still am. Honestly, I think if anyone has been following the industry with any sort of regularity, it had to be pretty clear that PC gaming would soon become more like console gaming.
The hardcore PC players love to believe in their utopia. Their magical world where their "loyal" developers will never do them wrong, and where they are free to customize their game experience in any way they want.
It's a nice idea to be sure, but there's money to be made. And if there's anything this generation has taught us, it's that publishers (Especially Activision!) will never miss a chance to make money.
Of course, I was never opposed to getting rid of dedicated servers to begin with, so maybe I'm biased. I just think it's a little silly for people to expect publishers to still put in the time and money to develop games for the PC, but then not take advantage of obvious opportunities to make more money on the platform.
Probably unideal for the consumer, but when has that stopped them? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
And when was the last time a big publisher put any time and money into a PC port? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I hope your never in a position of power in my country. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
You can still sell DLC n expansion packs (DLC/expansion's started out on PC....) And you could probs sell more copies of t he game if you didn't needlessly increase the price.
And what is the point of PC gaming becoming like console gaming? If folks wanted console gaming they would play games on a console, not play on a PC.
"to develop games for the PC, but then not use the advantages of the platform." - a correction of how that sentence should be. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
11/06/09
You're not biased - you're either not a PC gamer, or you're just an idiot. The lack of dedicated servers will kill the game's longevity.
Ever tried playing a game on Xbox Live that's more than a year old and doesn't involve space marines and/or military deathmatch? Hint: you can't find anybody playing online. Matchmaking loses its value when there's nobody looking to play at the exact moment you are. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I never said it was a good thing, or that I supported it. (Though, in this specific case, I do. I don't like the current PC multiplayer model, but that's a comment for another day...)
I'm just trying to say that if people thought PC gaming would stay the same forever, they were being unrealistic. Yes it sucks. No amount of internet petitions or boycotting are going to stop it.
Maybe I feel differently because I don't feel betrayed by a lack of dedicated servers, but I just think the virulent reaction to this is a little ridiculous. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I don't care for online petitions, but I do have a wallet. Valve has a great model, I buy their games, EA has a crappy PC model, didn't buy their games. Look at the sales for Mirrors Edge, that was a great game but included securom, vs Team Fortress 2, which is another great game with the best business model for a game ever.
Do all developers support this? No, support the ones who don't. When more money is to be had not being a douchebag, you have to change your model to fit that.
And there can be no possible reason for you to not like dedicated servers, because even with dedicated servers you can do a matchmaking system, the only thing is you will STILL HAVE BETTER PING AND MORE OPTIONS. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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This is what I've been saying, though not necessarily in this thread. People should be voting with their wallet. Not flooding internet forums with tearful posts about IW's betrayal. Not organizing futile petitions. They should be voting with their wallet, and not purchasing the game.
I must apologize for not being clear earlier. This whole controversy is such a clusterfrak at this point, I'm not even sure where I stand on it anymore. *sigh*
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Also, I feel I just must clarify this for you, a dedicated server is not a server browser. It's not choosing from a huge list of servers and joining a specific game or something, if that is what you think. Left 4 Dead has match making, but it also utilizes both P2P and dedicated servers. After you are grouped with a bunch of players, the game looks for a dedicated server for you all to join, and if it can't find one a person host it locally and your ping is far worse.
Now lets say you are a mail man, and one person needs to get a letter to somebody else. Sending that one letter to another person is not a problem. Now lets say there are 5 people sending letters to each other all at the same time and are scatter across the country. It's convoluted, error prone, and inefficent. Now imagine you have a postal center in the middle, where the letters are sent, and everything is sorted, so all the information can be easily sent to the end users. That is a dedicated server.
I do not like matchmaking, maybe you do, but that is not the reason for the out cry. The reason for the outcry is the removal of dedicated servers, which while destroying a bunch of communities, means playing with people really far from you, and a lot of them, means tons of lag. It's just a bad system that breaks when 32 people are playing from global positions, and can break even with 18 people from all around the world. Ever notice how on the xbox it finds players near you? It does that for a reason, a latency driven reason. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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So at least this way with petitions, n complaints we can tell IW why we aren't buying their game so they can improve on this for MW3. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I'm still not driven to vocal outcry like so many others, but I definitely understand where you guys are coming from a little better.
Thanks for explaining. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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"Sense of entitlement"
Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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"Sense of entitlement"
Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I think this sense of entitlement comes from the contribution the mod community has made to the whole series, and how they simply mangled everything that allows community modding.
I'm not sure if this analogy will stick, but here it goes.
"It's as if Counter Strike was banned by Valve" #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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"Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for?"
well....for this game...since they aren't including what you want...you aren't buying it for what's missing...
So, if it doesn't have what you want....don't buy it?
Perhaps, if the PC community decides not to buy this game then the next game they make they'll learn their lessons. Maybe. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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That statement usually refers to a sense of excess entitlement, like PC gamers saying they should get DLC for free when consoles don't, just because "that's how it's always been" or some bullshit and condemning the game because "how dare they use practices created by dumb consoles".
You should have seen people saying they'd boycott fallout 3 DLC on the gamefaqs boards just because it wasn't a free download like how it used to be. It's just sad, and has really hurt the PC gaming crowds image and led to the "PC elitest" stereotype, which in my opinion isn't necessarily true, but partially deserved by the way some of the more vocal PC gamers tend to act. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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The points being made are nothing are pc gamers are crying because of a sense of entitlement. I'm entitled to get what I pay for, and I'm saying I will not buy something if it's not worth the money. Even though the product could be good, design decisions that need to be changed, are not being changed, and if they were, I would buy it.
@Cerabret100:
If somebody told me, "you are a douchebag" because I just stole somebody's PS3 who beat up my little brother and broke it, I would say, "Like it's a bad thing, they messed with my little brother." Figure the rest out from there. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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The point Kapwan was making (as I interpret it) is that some gamers think that developers owe it to them to make the game that they want just because they have bought the developers game in the past. I'm sorry, if I'm a developer, I am making the game that I want to make and that I think will produce the most profit.
Obviously, this could be the publisher types pushing the developer types towards decisions and I understand nothing is ever a straight line. The point that I feel I am failing to make is that they don't owe you shit just because you have given them money in the past. You paid for a product as is; not for future products.
In summation, you are getting exactly what you pay for. Your paying for 9v9 and match making. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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You realize that's how most violence feeds on itself and creates some of the greatest atrocities to ever occur correct?
Not to mention an analogy with no further discussion as to the logic, or evidence to back up said logic is a completely defenseless position.
Not to mention the analogy itself seems flawed or completely irrelevent, which comes from, as stated, you inability, or lack of desire to further explain or back up your position. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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I do think games should strive to build community and this really seems to be going against that. Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that they are essentially ruining the game for a subset of gamers.
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You really don't need to 'try' something to notice something missing. If I was selling you a car, but it didn't have brakes, would you try the car first before you asked why the hell it didn't have brakes? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Hell no, nobody ever went wrong with those ways of thinking.
PC gamers online in discussions like this are either compromising, or (more likely) just sad self justifications and a superiority complex in one little packages.
Truth be told, i don't even see why people just don't throw away statuses like PC gaming and Console gaming, and just say "I'm a gamer"
Not like there's much difference beyond graphics which half the time prove shallow because of over-emphasis. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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More than anything else in my mind, that was their single biggest misstep, especially since their "community" has embraced it and the acronym is all over their official message boards now, in countless signatures, banners, and topics.
Good job, Infinity Ward, for encouraging people to be hateful and to think it's hilarious to use a slur as some kind of rallying cry.
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The video is what pushed me from "buy it used" to "never touching my disc tray".
I don't care if the spinning disc creates a holographic manifestation of The Christ to protrude from my XBox and simultaneously forgive me of all my misdeeds and provide me with 72 virgins like a giant snack machine.
I do not care if the game breaks halfway through in intermission and provides "A Very Special Message from Infinity Ward" and says "oh, just kidding guys. Don't encourage homophobic behavior, it's not cool." followed by "THE MORE YOU KNOW" animation they use on NBC, before erupting in a wave of euphoria that sexually satisfies all who behave in matchmaking.
I do not care if the disc installs firmware to my XBox that turns into a Transformer (preferably a Decepticon, for my example, if you guys at IW are taking notes) that can make my coffee, disinfect my shower and keeps my and my girl's feet warm at night at the foot of our bed.
I do not care if they give away this game for free, and PAY ME directly to my PayPal $10 an hour to play it. I'd sooner go and flip burgers as a matter of principle while telling my boss "Whatever you say, man. Because THIS. IS. THE. GAME. OF. THE. YEAR."
Here I thought Treyarch were the bad guys in the whole Call of Duty clusterfuck, but I'm never touching this game, nor anything else by Infinity Ward in the future. I don't care how many people play it, I do not care about it's Metacritic score, I do not care about any political message that I might've aligned with that it might've conveyed.
IW is dead to me, and will remain until they find themselves in a revival that one only finds after they've fallen from climbing to the pinnacle. #callofdutymodernwarfare2