A bit sickening we have scholarship programs run by feminists, but all's can be expected from Sony.
I could understand if the extra opportunities were to simply raise the interests women have in gaming careers, but to imply that it helps the ones already interested in a career is stupid. A woman can get a career about just as easily as a man, so long as they aim for it as much. It's not like you'll be denied your chance for being a girl. If anything, it's because you lack in said skill. Either that or you're constantly being an annoying cunt and nobody likes you except the pack of annoying cunts and cunt-worshipers you hang out with. I mean, what?
On the flipside, I can imagine possibility of a female designer lacking a bit more in talent than usual, but managing to get by due to this program and eventually filling the gap with some awesome ideas, be them some fluke or just "getting better". I still much, much dislike this feminist attitude on Sony's end, though.
Eh. Going to a regular university and I'm gonna work my way into the industry like a regular person. Having XX for a chromosome does make me better or more deserving than anyone else. Now if only I can pass my philosophy class... What the hell does it have to do with video game design I will never know.
@ohayou_kun: Because the unexamined game is not worth playing. Really though I'd say it has to do with making a game that's more than just entertainment. Not that there's anything wrong with games that are "just games" -- there's a place for both.
@ohayou_kun: You don't want to work your way INTO the industry; do that and you've got a long road ahead of you. Go to school, learn how to do animation, modeling, special fx, audio, or programming. That'll get you a better job with better pay right off the bat, and you'll be closer to your goal. It can take years of unappreciated testing before you have an opportunity for advancement.
I worked in the industry for over 10 years and I've worked with plenty of women who were programmers, artists, producers, and the like. I would say about a dozen or so.
Do you know how many African-Americans I worked with? 3.
If Sony is going give any kind of legitimacy to this, they should really do an analysis of the industry when it comes to race too besides sex.
@JohnnyLA: Unfortunately affirmative action for race seems to be much more controversial than for gender. I'm doubtful that Sony would be willing to fight for that cause. At least one can hope that the election of our president starts putting ambitious ideas in the heads of black youth.
So, if you're in the industry, and you're paying money to get more women in your workplace...well, I mean, that's only a few steps away from buying hookers.
Help level the playing field? What is the unfair advantage that men get when becoming a game developer? Do we still live in a world where women get turned down from colleges or jobs just for not being men?
@Kenny: Scholarships tend to be based on sex and race because these are the groups that have been hurt in the past by prejudiced societies, and those prejudices still live on in certain ways today.
For women, it's simply because women are still treated differently in many ways by society, whether we can see it or admit it. For races it's that same factor PLUS the fact that their families being treated poorly in the past put them at a longterm financial and social disadvantage, and these scholarships and other programs are attempts at giving them the boost they deserve to level the playing field.
Apparently you live above the glass ceiling and are looking down at all the hard-working women who get overlooked because they make babies and stuff.
Seriously, Affirmative Action is showcasing segregation, not accepting diversity. Isn't the goal for everyone to be viewed as equals? If the government is telling us that we have to be nicer to certain ethnic groups and to pick them above a more-qualified majority then that in itself is racism. Well, reverse racism.
I don't know about the rest of you, but we here in Nebraska banned Affirmative Action. It's wrong to be chosen for any position when you did so because of your race, gender or ethnicity.
@AproposOfEverything: I imagine it's not so much about correcting disadvantages (which do exist to a degree) so much as stimulating interest. Guy developers make games for guys which pull in guy gamers who go on to become guy developers, etc, it's a cyclical recruiting deal. The more women working in the industry, the more likely we are to see games designed with the female gamer in mind, and the more likely we are to then see women want to become game developers. That's my take on it, at least.
@AproposOfEverything: This is more about game design than programming "with the ultimate goal of developing video games that are more interesting for women to play".
But I still interpret that as a company trying to nail the female demographic as well as get good publicity for being one of those equal opportunities companies that cares more for diversity than skills.
@steerpike: If the skill in question is "making games for the female demographic," I think that female designers might actually have an advantage in that department.
Also, might want to rephrase that sentence about nailing females.
@Lazlo: People always hate Affirmative Action because they don't understand what it is.
Affirmative Action is a tie-breaker system for deciding which of two equally qualified candidates should get a position. In this case, Affirmative Action says that you should hire the one that will help your workplace more accurately match the community it exists within.
So, if your company is half male, half female, and your community is 85% male, Affirmative Action tells you to hire the male. Etc.
Affirmative Action is a good thing. All it does is keep people from unfairly packing their company with a certain race or sex when equally qualified people of other races or sexes are available.
I cannot think of any situation in life where I was presented two options and I said to myself "Self, both these options are one hundred percent identical in value, purpose, and function. I'm going to pick the product that was made in China as opposed to the one that was made in Dallas, because the Chinese/American ratio in my city is way off."
That is retarded. A.A. is meant for job placement and as a business partner I cannot think of a time where I was presented two candidates that were exactly as qualified as the other. One has always had an advantage, albeit a slight one. Affirmative Action is just a fancy way of showcasing segregation while propagating itself as a cure.
@Lazlo: Your comparison of hiring candidates to purchasing products betrays a lack of interpersonal sensitivity. The fact that one must estimate the pros and cons of a person doesn't reduce that person to being acceptably comprable to an object. How does encouraging artificial degrees of intercultural mixing showcase segregation? Isn't it instead placing an unnatural emphasis on intergration? Isn't that the whole point?
@Lazlo: You're one person, I wouldn't expect you to have had an experience that suits Affirmative Action. I've never had the experience of getting a life-threatening disease, but all the same I'm glad hospitals are around just in case. :)
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I could understand if the extra opportunities were to simply raise the interests women have in gaming careers, but to imply that it helps the ones already interested in a career is stupid. A woman can get a career about just as easily as a man, so long as they aim for it as much. It's not like you'll be denied your chance for being a girl. If anything, it's because you lack in said skill. Either that or you're constantly being an annoying cunt and nobody likes you except the pack of annoying cunts and cunt-worshipers you hang out with. I mean, what?
On the flipside, I can imagine possibility of a female designer lacking a bit more in talent than usual, but managing to get by due to this program and eventually filling the gap with some awesome ideas, be them some fluke or just "getting better". I still much, much dislike this feminist attitude on Sony's end, though.
Maybe I ramble.
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The fact that you phrased it as such proves that you're not really so sure about what you say, or at least that you admit some kind of disparity.
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Do you know how many African-Americans I worked with? 3.
If Sony is going give any kind of legitimacy to this, they should really do an analysis of the industry when it comes to race too besides sex.
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But I kid. :)
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For women, it's simply because women are still treated differently in many ways by society, whether we can see it or admit it. For races it's that same factor PLUS the fact that their families being treated poorly in the past put them at a longterm financial and social disadvantage, and these scholarships and other programs are attempts at giving them the boost they deserve to level the playing field.
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Apparently you live above the glass ceiling and are looking down at all the hard-working women who get overlooked because they make babies and stuff.
Seriously, Affirmative Action is showcasing segregation, not accepting diversity. Isn't the goal for everyone to be viewed as equals? If the government is telling us that we have to be nicer to certain ethnic groups and to pick them above a more-qualified majority then that in itself is racism. Well, reverse racism.
I don't know about the rest of you, but we here in Nebraska banned Affirmative Action. It's wrong to be chosen for any position when you did so because of your race, gender or ethnicity.
This thing is just as weird.
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This is more about game design than programming "with the ultimate goal of developing video games that are more interesting for women to play".
But I still interpret that as a company trying to nail the female demographic as well as get good publicity for being one of those equal opportunities companies that cares more for diversity than skills.
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Also, might want to rephrase that sentence about nailing females.
11/14/08
Affirmative Action is a tie-breaker system for deciding which of two equally qualified candidates should get a position. In this case, Affirmative Action says that you should hire the one that will help your workplace more accurately match the community it exists within.
So, if your company is half male, half female, and your community is 85% male, Affirmative Action tells you to hire the male. Etc.
Affirmative Action is a good thing. All it does is keep people from unfairly packing their company with a certain race or sex when equally qualified people of other races or sexes are available.
11/14/08
I cannot think of any situation in life where I was presented two options and I said to myself "Self, both these options are one hundred percent identical in value, purpose, and function. I'm going to pick the product that was made in China as opposed to the one that was made in Dallas, because the Chinese/American ratio in my city is way off."
That is retarded. A.A. is meant for job placement and as a business partner I cannot think of a time where I was presented two candidates that were exactly as qualified as the other. One has always had an advantage, albeit a slight one. Affirmative Action is just a fancy way of showcasing segregation while propagating itself as a cure.
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