Ugh. Right after I spent 1200 bucks on my tv they all started getting their prices slashed and the 120HZ models started getting cheaper and now they're going 3D. I could have paid hundreds less on a model that's BETTER than the one I have right now. God. Damn. It.
3D is one of those features that I'm not all that keen on bootstrapping to the existing generation, because it relies upon the user base to go out en masse and upgrade their TVs to take advantage of the tech.
You already have a disconnect between people who'll buy a console for one game and those who won't; people who'll buy a TV for one game? Count me out of that one.
I'd rather see 'em integrate the technology into the next generation, especially if they're serious about a ten-year lifecycle. If they aggressively propagate the 3D tech in the next five years or so, you might see a phenomenon similar to HD, where the adoption rate grew geometrically from the start of the generation to the midpoint.
Adding the capability to existing PS3's is really just going to wind up being a "Hey, cool, I guess it can do that...on a couple of games" gimmick, unless you focus on integrating 3D into popular games in the first place - God of War III, maybe MLB The Show, get some major third party support...but even then, it's far from a certain thing.
@jallen: @Ohverture: Agreed, after playing Avatar in 3D, the standard (2D?) version just seemed terrible.
I can see Gears of War being amazing in 3D!
It really does enhance the experience.
3D is the next big tech in TV's, so in about a year's time, you'll notice lots of new release TV's will all support it.
The next step after that is 3D without the need for glasses (they're working on it!), and probably THEN the next resolution bump.
But yeah it seems this time for sure 3D is going to make a big impact. Next year a stupid amount of movies will all be supporting 3D, and the first 3D channel, Sky 3D, just launched in the UK, so purchasing a 3D TV in the next year may not be such a bad purchase :)
Well, which, again, I'm not saying that having new TVs come out with that tech now is a bad thing.
Just that you're almost better off making it a centerpiece of your console strategy in the next generation. Avatar is no Wii Fit, in that it isn't going to sell oodles and boodles of copies with a contraption that you can then be pretty sure that a significant majority of console owners have access to.
It falls back into the classic peripheral trap with "hey, check out this really cool thing you can do...if you go spend hundreds of dollars! Or thousands!"
And outside of the early adopters/geeks, how many will do that?
A couple months ago, Eurogamer's Digital Foundry ran a very relevant article on how Sony has a very peculiar leg up on the competition in regards to 3d.
My own ten cents, 3d is pretty awesome. Mix it with head tracking and you've got the first steps to something grand. (too bad it can't get all Natal on it, though)
Well copying the Wii's motion control didn't sell more PS3's so maybe if we try another gimmick, that'll work! Now play GT5 in 3D, and watch all your friends blow chunks as they try to follow the action on the blurry, striped screen without the glasses.
So does this mean I have to go out and freaking buy a brand new tv? My current tv (new) is only running is 60hz, do I absolutely need 120hz+ to get the 3d?
Back in 2005, there was an article in the New Yorker entitled "Saving Sony" which detailed Howard Stringer's ascension to the role of president. And in the article, he talked of the still unreleased PS3, and he said one of the reasons they used Cell and Blu Ray for the PS3 was to "allow for the implementation of technologies not yet invented."
This announcement reminded me of that quote. But thats not saying that this type of technology couldn't be developed on the 360 as well...
@FarmboyinJapan: The advantage Sony has though is that they are already developing TV's with 3D capabilities built in. So they can work internally on these TV's and make the necessary firmware changes to the PS3 to handle this technology very seamlessly. Since Microsoft only manufactures game systems they'd have to strike some sort of deal with TV makers to let them develop 3D tech for the 360. I'm not saying they can't do it, it's just that they may be a little behind the curve since Sony already has the inside track for it.
This is really cool though that Sony will be able to do this. I'm curious to see if they have already provided some of their 3D tv's to developers so that they can play around with this tech on the PS3 in case internally it is somewhat available.
@rabbibert: Keep in mind that there are already "3d-capable" TVs on the market. They generally require shutter glasses, but they are out there. My Samsung 1080p DLP can do 120Hz refresh, and has a plug for the shutter transmitter, and it's almost two years old. There are PC software/vid-card suites that can output the dual left/right 60Hz signal via DVI.
3d is seriously trying to make a comeback. I mean in the UK quite a few sainsburys' were giving away 3d glasses (my brother said everyone at his uni had nearly three pairs cause they did give em for free). And this was in conjunction to Channel 4 showing the documentary on the Queen in 3D.
TV channels are getting into it now and we know there's already a lot of movies released recently and announced for the near future. There's definitely a far stronger push for 3D now than when it first came out. Perhaps this time it'll actually stay for longer.
@Inkmonkey: The viewing hasn't changed much. But the recording has. It is considerably easier in a sense compared to how it was to film 3D when it was out. The viewing is still quite similar to the past.
@FP_slomo788: Well he's got a part responsibility if it'll succeed outside of family entertainment or kids entertainment films. I'd say the toy story rereleases and toy story 3 and other such endeavours will make sure it'll probably be there if not for all ventures at least for kids movies.
@pudgie'ssmokergiv: It's usually those cheap glasses yeah. If you want good 3d glasses you've got to buy them but they're not that different from a technical standpoint.
If you're talking about 120Hz TVs and the like, then no I wouldn't because it's not necessary. LCD shutter glasses worked with 3D cards on 60Hz monitors and 60Hz/29.97 fps TV sets back in 1999. The requirement to get a TV with a faster refresh rate than the signal being fed to it is just a pointless push to make people buy hardware, since it was already proven to work a decade ago.
That said, if they make it work with TVs more than 1% of consumers have, not only would it have a chance of catching on, but I'd pick it up.
(I'm kind of waiting for some breakthrough that allows two full-res images to be polarized perpendicular to one another on home TVs, so you can wear light, clear, non-electronic glasses to see it.)
Hmm. I actually don't have an HDTV yet. I play my PS3 on a HDMI compatible 24" widescreen monitor, as my PC is the hub of my entire entertainment setup. I had been considering buying a nice big 40" LCD screen for a long time but this might make me hold off a bit... just to see what goes down. If anything, this tech taking off means the old tech will depreciate in value.
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You already have a disconnect between people who'll buy a console for one game and those who won't; people who'll buy a TV for one game? Count me out of that one.
I'd rather see 'em integrate the technology into the next generation, especially if they're serious about a ten-year lifecycle. If they aggressively propagate the 3D tech in the next five years or so, you might see a phenomenon similar to HD, where the adoption rate grew geometrically from the start of the generation to the midpoint.
Adding the capability to existing PS3's is really just going to wind up being a "Hey, cool, I guess it can do that...on a couple of games" gimmick, unless you focus on integrating 3D into popular games in the first place - God of War III, maybe MLB The Show, get some major third party support...but even then, it's far from a certain thing.
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I can see Gears of War being amazing in 3D!
It really does enhance the experience.
3D is the next big tech in TV's, so in about a year's time, you'll notice lots of new release TV's will all support it.
The next step after that is 3D without the need for glasses (they're working on it!), and probably THEN the next resolution bump.
But yeah it seems this time for sure 3D is going to make a big impact. Next year a stupid amount of movies will all be supporting 3D, and the first 3D channel, Sky 3D, just launched in the UK, so purchasing a 3D TV in the next year may not be such a bad purchase :)
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#speakup
Well, which, again, I'm not saying that having new TVs come out with that tech now is a bad thing.
Just that you're almost better off making it a centerpiece of your console strategy in the next generation. Avatar is no Wii Fit, in that it isn't going to sell oodles and boodles of copies with a contraption that you can then be pretty sure that a significant majority of console owners have access to.
It falls back into the classic peripheral trap with "hey, check out this really cool thing you can do...if you go spend hundreds of dollars! Or thousands!"
And outside of the early adopters/geeks, how many will do that?
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My own ten cents, 3d is pretty awesome. Mix it with head tracking and you've got the first steps to something grand. (too bad it can't get all Natal on it, though)
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"It's video games, man.... IN 3D!!"
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This announcement reminded me of that quote. But thats not saying that this type of technology couldn't be developed on the 360 as well...
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This is really cool though that Sony will be able to do this. I'm curious to see if they have already provided some of their 3D tv's to developers so that they can play around with this tech on the PS3 in case internally it is somewhat available.
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TV channels are getting into it now and we know there's already a lot of movies released recently and announced for the near future. There's definitely a far stronger push for 3D now than when it first came out. Perhaps this time it'll actually stay for longer.
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#speakup
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@pudgie'ssmokergiv: It's usually those cheap glasses yeah. If you want good 3d glasses you've got to buy them but they're not that different from a technical standpoint.
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...what? People still buy new TVs. My current one does 1080i, so I'll hold out til these little gems are available.
Now I just gotta convince the wife. Unfortunately, she and I don't see eye to eye on what constitutes a "little gem".
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That said, if they make it work with TVs more than 1% of consumers have, not only would it have a chance of catching on, but I'd pick it up.
(I'm kind of waiting for some breakthrough that allows two full-res images to be polarized perpendicular to one another on home TVs, so you can wear light, clear, non-electronic glasses to see it.)
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