Good. Finally time they caught up. Let's see if they keep this promise with FF15. Although, by the time 2016 rolls around we'll be on another console generation with costlier development and SE will have another excuse to delay the Western release.
@Deunan: Square probably doesn't want to delay the Japanese release by a few months just for the sake of a worldwide release. Could anger some Japanese customers. #squareenix
A) Use original Japanese voices with English subtitles.
B) Don't try to "westernize" theme songs.
C) Don't release Final Fantasy games on the 360. #squareenix
To other coments - It's easy and cowardly to throw slurs and name calling because someone's opinion is simply different than yours.
Instead of redoing voices for western audiences, simply using english subtitles will save time and production costs for an international release. Releasing the game on one console instead of two does the same. By releasing on PS3 only more content can also be added due to the high capacity blu ray disc that the 360 lacks. Why go with the lowest common denominator when the game could be so much more. #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: but the japanese version wont have engllish subtitles so importing would make any sense. the asian version might be having english subtitles and chinese subtitle what ever, but its likely going to have english voice track again. and here goes the BD superiority down the drain. in case of Squeenix(reminds me of the melting of tuvok and neelix=tuvix) you paid for japanese voice acting,also paid for english voiceacting, you paid for all kinds of different subtitles BUT you do not want to implement them all , allthough there is virtually 50 gigs of space on a disc (real size maybe 47GB who knows). if all this stuff wouldnt exist and they didnt want to pay an extra i would get it or they said "sorry guys theres online 9 gig per disc we CANT put 4 gigs of additional voices in" still be ok but not if there work would be 1-2 weeks more of implementing and maybe reaching alot more customers ...well a big maybe
If you wanted it in it's PUREST form...then you'll get the Raw of XIII and learn Japanese then. That's how we did it in the olden days....LOL! j/k
I don't see the reason why SE should bend to the wills of a small loud minority on the internet that frankly...hasn't proven themselves at all accept on forums and conventions. And as it stands, the convention circuit is filled to the brim with KH fangirls. They have the most money....
None of SE releases in English dub have suffered in sales. And as far as SE are concerned, they don't CARE.
There's this myth going around that Japanese dubs are ALWAYS better then English dubs and it's not always true. I've heard some shitty ass JP VAing in my hardcore anime days.
Reaching alot more customers? No, it wouldn't, I'll give you...2000 more, but as I said. It's not enough to justify SE doing it, you really have to factor in what fans are SE aiming for? 2000 hardcore fans or 1,000000 not so much hardcore fans? Who gets the oil for their squeaky wheel?
Now perhaps, in the future because of this wanting Japanese dub hitting SE's ear...that MAYBE they'll place the option in the game. But as it stands, SE Western releases will be English dubbed.
never said they are allways better and and i am not new to that anime stuff, also i just understand half of that what they are talking if its too fast or mumbling what ever. maybe you see it from a native english speaking point of view but in europe there ain't a lot of games talking (used to) english than in the US and UK(ireland), so they dont care what they are talking about. back in the old days no one cared about voice acting because there was none and most of the games were english anyways. now i am going(its more running) straight to thirty so i think "back then we didnt have this option, now its there why not japanese ? it sounds better"if thats the case. i wouldnt like to play DMC in japanese ^-^. its just about choice and using given opportunities. if they would have included i would use it, someone other could stick to english. since i am learning step by step japanese and just know 50-60 kanji and 100 words doesnt put me in a position to rival the endboss *laughs*
wind of amnesia has had bad voice acting and didnt like urotsuki dojo "bujuuu bujuuuu,,,,,,,,himeee himmeee" bah
@Rachel Fogg: Why in God's name would you WANT to see- wait. Crap. Okay. Sort me out here. I'm thinking of two current gen RPGs, one of which is Last Remnant, not sure which. One is about some dude who can't die (I think his name is Kain, maybe? That sounds right), and is pretty good, and one is an RPG dressing up as a strategy game, and is effing terrible, as well as buggy as hell.
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@Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more): The good one you're thinking of is Lost Odyssey, which is indeed good. Last Remnant is the one that couldn't be arsed to make itself playable half the time. I mean, you couldn't even heal yourself unless the game arbitrarily decided to let you. #squareenix
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I feel so ashamed. SE can fix this by casting him as a voice in Versus. Hell, if we could just drop XIII and SE sped up Versus I would be happy frankly because XIII looks.....yeah. :cough:
Would I buy a game for a voice actor? Yes...it's my shame and I don't care. j/k
Seriously though, I heard mix things about TLR, but I would like to play it myself, preferably on a controller that I can use easily. :stoopid tiny girl hands!: #squareenix
Well, SE went all 'Screw you PS3 owners' and started giving the sweet sticky icky to 360 owners.
Unfortunately, the sticky icky was REALLY icky. Last Remnant was SUPPOSE to be a multiplatform RPG for the world (it said that in the bloody trailer!) then 360 got timed exclusivity, then it was released on the PC....then....nothing.
The other two games were Star Ocean IV and Infinite Undiscovery...both were balls apparently (as I only have a PS3 so I really don't know...).
Everything else SE has released has been on the DS/PSP and those for the most part were win sauce. It was their Current Gen games that were lacking.
So this 'promise'...I'm a little wary of. #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: I can certainly understand that sentiment about buying a game for a voice actor. There have been anime I have watched based on the sole fact my favorite Japanese seiyuu (or VAs) are voicing the characters. Nothing to be ashamed about at all.
Looking at the wiki page on Johnny Yong Bosch, he was Itsuki in Haruhi and Takaki in 5cm per sec, so he's cool in my book.
People really only play the game for the brutal stat-grinding metagame. Incidentally, said metagame is almost the only way to beat the game with little to no frustration. Caveat emptor. #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: Pffft. Demon's Souls entire team is BABIES.
It's not frustrating if you know what the purpose of "Battle Rank" is, and have a game plan, and by game plan, I mean FOLLOWING THE DIRECTIONS HERE PERFECTLY.
The game's pretty cool once you figure out the actual mechanics, but the moment it "clicks", you will feel like warm poo because you'll realize that earlier, you could've done some things better, and there might be consequences for not doing it right. #squareenix
AH! I see, I'm interested in branching out of my comfort zone with JRPGs, I don't care much for WRPGs...but games like TRL and Demon Souls sound about right.
Most of the bad things I've heard about TLR are about the graphical glitches and stuff...I didn't hear much about the gameplay being godawful.
Maybe...one day SE will decide to port it over...maybe.
@Rachel Fogg: So speaking of games that haven't been released in the west, when in good day is White Knight Chronicles being released? I heard there is already a sequel being made! Yet we have nothing! #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: But this game was released December 25, 2008!!! That's over one year ago!! Is Sony trying to pull a Square with the localization? Can't companies be more like Atlus with their localizations, I can only dream can't I?
And yes, any RPG needs to be released before XIII comes out. I would even say they can't release RPGs for a good two months AFTER it has been released. Everyone is going to just compare it to the behemoth of the title, for better or worse. #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: And God of War 3, while not a JRPG, will probably take everyone else.
I can't believe I'm gonna buy 3 games in March. I never do that. People are actually gonna have to start saving money now if they hope to afford all the great titles next year.
I mean come on, we have GoW 3 and FFXIII, both of which have been talked about since the launch of the PS3, a new FF MMO that sounds VERY promising, a WoW expansion, Starcraft 2 and probably other huge crap I can't think of right now...
It's going to be insane. It will be interesting to see what sells and what suffers as people ration their money so they can buy their favorites. FF13 will definitely be the top RPG, you're right there. I hope the WoW expansion doesn't kill the western audience for FF14 before it can even get out the door, though.
@Rachel Fogg: Well, battles can run at 15 frames per second much of the time. Trust me, it'll be the least of your worries, especially since when your troops are attacking, it'll ask for a timed button command on occasion, and the awful framerate will be the thing that helps you nail the button queries, effectively saving your ass in a big way. #squareenix
@Rachel Fogg: Cam Clarke is in Dragon Age? What the fuck? He must be somewhere I haven't been because I recognise his voice even when he's trying to hide it - like when he played that kid at the batting range (or was it golf?) in Yakuza.
When The Burning Crusade expansion was released for WoW I made a belf rogue (male blood elves are voiced by Cam) and started stalking people. When they'd ask me what the fuck I was doing I'd /yell "I AM YOUR SHADOW".
And the "I LIVE ON THROUGH THIS ARM!" joke would pop up every time we'd go against yet another boss voiced by Clarke.
I was impressed that the US release of FFXIII was March. I had the Japanese FFXIII pre-ordered because I wouldn't be able to wait for 6+ months for a US release, but once I saw that it was March I canceled that pre-order. 3 months is an fine time to wait from Japan release to US. #squareenix
Why is this such a good thing? It's not like it changes anything, all it changes is that americans and japanese will have to wait longer for their games now. #squareenix
Now just give us the international versions of these games, too, instead of leaving us completely out of them. Please?
I'd love FFXII if I had the international version, where the characters aren't cookie-cutter whoevers and instead have jobs and specific skill sets. #squareenix
@cat. bus.: yes, there was one job for each zodiac, I believe, and you chose one for each character, forcing them into specific, constrained-ish roles.
As opposed to everyone literally being capable of the exact same things. ;-; #squareenix
@WhiteMåge: I don't even have a problem with there being no distinct classes, I just think this would have given the game a sense of...I dunno...purpose? It just felt like "Here are enemies, set your group up to fight them, and then walk away." At least with classes I would have to decide on how they fought. #squareenix
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im actually tryin learn japanese..
the ammoutn of japanese anime, games, and japanese relatives i have, it would only make sense
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i think it would be a good skill, learning japanese.. it would solve my subtitle problem, and release date problem
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They really should employ a larger western team to help do that quicker. #squareenix
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Oh wait. #squareenix
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A) Use original Japanese voices with English subtitles.
B) Don't try to "westernize" theme songs.
C) Don't release Final Fantasy games on the 360. #squareenix
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@Skyman747: #squareenix
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A) No. Import it.
B) You're joking right? Really? How can they Westernize songs if the singer might butcher it in Engrish? Is that REALLY better? REALLY?
C) Now you're just being a silly pants. #squareenix
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To other coments - It's easy and cowardly to throw slurs and name calling because someone's opinion is simply different than yours.
Instead of redoing voices for western audiences, simply using english subtitles will save time and production costs for an international release. Releasing the game on one console instead of two does the same. By releasing on PS3 only more content can also be added due to the high capacity blu ray disc that the 360 lacks. Why go with the lowest common denominator when the game could be so much more. #squareenix
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If you wanted it in it's PUREST form...then you'll get the Raw of XIII and learn Japanese then. That's how we did it in the olden days....LOL! j/k
I don't see the reason why SE should bend to the wills of a small loud minority on the internet that frankly...hasn't proven themselves at all accept on forums and conventions. And as it stands, the convention circuit is filled to the brim with KH fangirls. They have the most money....
None of SE releases in English dub have suffered in sales. And as far as SE are concerned, they don't CARE.
There's this myth going around that Japanese dubs are ALWAYS better then English dubs and it's not always true. I've heard some shitty ass JP VAing in my hardcore anime days.
Reaching alot more customers? No, it wouldn't, I'll give you...2000 more, but as I said. It's not enough to justify SE doing it, you really have to factor in what fans are SE aiming for? 2000 hardcore fans or 1,000000 not so much hardcore fans? Who gets the oil for their squeaky wheel?
Now perhaps, in the future because of this wanting Japanese dub hitting SE's ear...that MAYBE they'll place the option in the game. But as it stands, SE Western releases will be English dubbed.
Sorry....I think.
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never said they are allways better and and i am not new to that anime stuff, also i just understand half of that what they are talking if its too fast or mumbling what ever. maybe you see it from a native english speaking point of view but in europe there ain't a lot of games talking (used to) english than in the US and UK(ireland), so they dont care what they are talking about. back in the old days no one cared about voice acting because there was none and most of the games were english anyways. now i am going(its more running) straight to thirty so i think "back then we didnt have this option, now its there why not japanese ? it sounds better"if thats the case. i wouldnt like to play DMC in japanese ^-^. its just about choice and using given opportunities. if they would have included i would use it, someone other could stick to english. since i am learning step by step japanese and just know 50-60 kanji and 100 words doesnt put me in a position to rival the endboss *laughs*
wind of amnesia has had bad voice acting and didnt like urotsuki dojo "bujuuu bujuuuu,,,,,,,,himeee himmeee" bah
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So.....is there any chance in a cold day of hell's vagina that we PS3 owners will EVER see Last Remnant? :whistles:
Waiting on that check...waiting on that check, y'know what...I'll just leave the money on the table for that SE.
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Little help? #squareenix
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I'd rather they work on getting Versus done. #squareenix
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LOL! No, I would give my left arm up for Lost Odyssey on the PS3.
But I would AT LEAST would like to SEE Last Remnant on the PS3.
RPG for the world my apple bottom jeans. :spits: #squareenix
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Listen, I....I...Johnny Young Bosch.
I feel so ashamed. SE can fix this by casting him as a voice in Versus. Hell, if we could just drop XIII and SE sped up Versus I would be happy frankly because XIII looks.....yeah. :cough:
Would I buy a game for a voice actor? Yes...it's my shame and I don't care. j/k
Seriously though, I heard mix things about TLR, but I would like to play it myself, preferably on a controller that I can use easily. :stoopid tiny girl hands!: #squareenix
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Well, SE went all 'Screw you PS3 owners' and started giving the sweet sticky icky to 360 owners.
Unfortunately, the sticky icky was REALLY icky. Last Remnant was SUPPOSE to be a multiplatform RPG for the world (it said that in the bloody trailer!) then 360 got timed exclusivity, then it was released on the PC....then....nothing.
The other two games were Star Ocean IV and Infinite Undiscovery...both were balls apparently (as I only have a PS3 so I really don't know...).
Everything else SE has released has been on the DS/PSP and those for the most part were win sauce. It was their Current Gen games that were lacking.
So this 'promise'...I'm a little wary of. #squareenix
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Looking at the wiki page on Johnny Yong Bosch, he was Itsuki in Haruhi and Takaki in 5cm per sec, so he's cool in my book.
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Lost Odyssey is the good one. Last Remnant is the crap.
And yes, why would you want that to be ported again, Rachel Fogg? #squareenix
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People really only play the game for the brutal stat-grinding metagame. Incidentally, said metagame is almost the only way to beat the game with little to no frustration. Caveat emptor. #squareenix
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WOOT! Okay, I'm NOT alone. LOL!
I met him once...long...long ago at like Otakon probably 03, hell if I remember; we ate a burger together.
Listen, I'm not saying that I would've kidnap him...I'm just saying that I WOULD kidnap him NOW! j/k
No, he's a sweetie. I think he was just starting auditions for Ichigo from Bleach when I met him.
Gawd, I met so many VAs....-_-;... #squareenix
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..........JYB....Johnny Young-Black Ranger-Bosch.
It's just that simple really, I'll adapt as I play but I really...solely want it for JYB.
I was THIS close to getting Dragon Age Origins for Cam Clarke, Nolan North and Tim Curry *THIS CLOSE*.
Yes...it's that serious. I love me some VAs. #squareenix
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....So...in subtitles....the game is frustrating but not in the good Demon's Souls way but in the WTF?! RAWR! way? #squareenix
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Yeah, so I heard about that....but that's just one game and from what I heard....a very poor game at best.
:shrugs:
I'll check it out though, I've played every other SO so I kinda have to play this one too. #squareenix
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It's not frustrating if you know what the purpose of "Battle Rank" is, and have a game plan, and by game plan, I mean FOLLOWING THE DIRECTIONS HERE PERFECTLY.
The game's pretty cool once you figure out the actual mechanics, but the moment it "clicks", you will feel like warm poo because you'll realize that earlier, you could've done some things better, and there might be consequences for not doing it right. #squareenix
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AH! I see, I'm interested in branching out of my comfort zone with JRPGs, I don't care much for WRPGs...but games like TRL and Demon Souls sound about right.
Most of the bad things I've heard about TLR are about the graphical glitches and stuff...I didn't hear much about the gameplay being godawful.
Maybe...one day SE will decide to port it over...maybe.
Oops! I didn't say thanks! Thanks! ^-^
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The last I heard was 2/10/2010 on the Gamestop page. I could be wrong.
My hope is that WKC comes out BEFORE XIII. XIII is doomsday for any other JRPG (or RPGs in general) on consoles.
A JRPG needs to be release before or after XIII but not in the same month. It's suicide. #squareenix
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And yes, any RPG needs to be released before XIII comes out. I would even say they can't release RPGs for a good two months AFTER it has been released. Everyone is going to just compare it to the behemoth of the title, for better or worse. #squareenix
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I can't believe I'm gonna buy 3 games in March. I never do that. People are actually gonna have to start saving money now if they hope to afford all the great titles next year.
I mean come on, we have GoW 3 and FFXIII, both of which have been talked about since the launch of the PS3, a new FF MMO that sounds VERY promising, a WoW expansion, Starcraft 2 and probably other huge crap I can't think of right now...
It's going to be insane. It will be interesting to see what sells and what suffers as people ration their money so they can buy their favorites. FF13 will definitely be the top RPG, you're right there. I hope the WoW expansion doesn't kill the western audience for FF14 before it can even get out the door, though.
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When The Burning Crusade expansion was released for WoW I made a belf rogue (male blood elves are voiced by Cam) and started stalking people. When they'd ask me what the fuck I was doing I'd /yell "I AM YOUR SHADOW".
And the "I LIVE ON THROUGH THIS ARM!" joke would pop up every time we'd go against yet another boss voiced by Clarke.
But yes, carry on. #squareenix
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Hey, they were also tweaking up somethings on the NA release....at least that's from what I heard about WKC.
I could be wrong though. #squareenix
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I almost forgot GOW3 comes out in March....sonnvabitch. I don't care much for MMOs so that's all you.
2010, just the beginning of 2010 is going to be insane...I'm going to be SO POOR.... #squareenix
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LOL! Gogo choppy framerate!
Well, I would like to play it...sometime soon, I'm not an avid PC user and I don't have a 360...so my guess is that I'll NEVER play it.
Which is pretty sad. #squareenix
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Yep he's in the game, my friend read the booklet and said his name.
I would've brought the game....seriously.
If I played WoW, I would've ran behind the blood elf and shouted 'MELFICE!' like...all day.
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Agreed, the internet crowd can betray you...sometimes....
God Sonic Unleashed...why...why didn't I listen to you internet crowd? Why?
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How can I not read? Isn't that exactly what it says? #squareenix
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Announce NA release date and no one gets hurt. Just give me my info and we're cool, got it? I ain't playin'! #squareenix
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Yeah, my favorite part was when he justified this statement. Er...wait. #squareenix
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Kojima's simultaneous releases rock. #squareenix
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I'd love FFXII if I had the international version, where the characters aren't cookie-cutter whoevers and instead have jobs and specific skill sets. #squareenix
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As opposed to everyone literally being capable of the exact same things. ;-; #squareenix
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