Whatever scent Square Enix thinks Lightning will emit, I wanna smell it ALL DAY LONG. Maybe mixed with Fang, perhaps? That's a good smell. I just know it.
Know who I don't wanna smell? Hope. Seriously, ever smell a kid who just got off a school bus? Being packed in tightly with other grody children doesn't exactly make you smell fresh.
I finally figured out what it is about FFXIII I dislike.
Don't get me wrong. I want this game, I want it bad. I'll buy it the day it lands, and play the hell out of it. But it's too sterile. Everything about it, the world, the characters, lack any sort of grit at all. FFX was like this and FFXII kind of slid back that world was a little 'dirty' in parts.
Yet everything I see about FFXIII makes me think of labs, hospitals, and places where a germ wouldn't be seen... ever. I don't like that and I think that's kind of why I liked FFVII and FFVI so much.
Those worlds had grit and grime and death and decay and you could see it, you could feel it.
Nothing about FFXIII looks like that to me. It's as if the whole of the world was made in a test tube and carefully laid out--no touching!--to be seen.
@Friedhamster: trust me, hospitals are quite the opposite of 'sterile'....MRSA, VRE, and my personal favorite C. difficile are rampant everywhere in hospitals...maybe some parts are sterile (ideally) like the OR, but anywhere else is fair game.
@Friedhamster: I haven't seen too much of the game but as I understand it a lot of what we've seen takes place in the city that was designed to be a safe haven from the wilds found below. I see this as bit of a utopian society, so it would make sense that it would seem sterile. Maybe the outer world is more gritty. Then again maybe not.
@Friedhamster: That's why I liked FFVIII. Everybody looked so clean, streets looked like they were regularly swept, and had a very sterile sci-fi vibe going on in a good number of areas.
I'm a fan of hygiene, you see.
And yes, I liked hygiene before it sold out and you could buy their fucking shirts at Hot Pocket.
@Rachel Fogg: Even in FFXII the sewers looked nice. It was like, I don't know, artificial maybe. As if I was playing in the Enterprise's Halodeck. Like the dirt that was there had been placed, bit by bit, by some God.
VI and VII and even those before had a more rugged feel. Compare Chono Trigger to Chrono Cross and you'll see what I mean. Or Vagrant Story to FFVIII
The first thing that made me go, 'Wow' when I played Resident Evil 2 wasn't anything other than the city. The city looked real. It looked like a city would look if zombies had hit a small city. Newspapers strewn across streets, the boards over windows were splintered from zombie attacks, glass bits were on sidewalks, the city looked like a riot had taken place. It didn't look like a perfectly rendered city that had junk dumped into it.
Obviously the Sci-Fi look is what Squenix wants and so be it, but this is the very reason I like Star Wars over Star Trek.
Compare Piccard to Obi-Wan (any movie.) Compare the rebels to the Federation. You see what I mean?
@Friedhamster: But if you think about it, the grit in grime for those games was only there to go along with the storyline. XIII is clean because most of it takes place in a city that's meant to be a utopia. It shouldn't have grit and grime. But you never know, I think some of the game actually takes place on the surface, in which case there might be some filth.
@Friedhamster: Yes, I read right. I should have put more emphasis on the word "like" in my post (e.g., "I like the game for the same reason you dislike it").
@CynicalNinja: No, I was in error. I misread. I thought you were saying that you, like me, liked the game. In which case I thought you'd taken what I said to mean I liked it.
Like I said, I'm very much looking forward to playing the next Final Fantasy installment but... I just wish it was dirtier.
@Bouchart: The "day zero" consumers who will end up playing the game for about 17 hours straight. They need something to splash on themselves before going on a cheetos run!
@Rachel Fogg: I don't understand the hate for this game, especially when people haven't played it. What's so different about this Final Fantasy from all the other Final Fantasies?
Well I can't speak for other people, but I can say that honestly for me...truthfully?
I was burned by the godawfulness of XII, so when I saw XIII I was filled with hope. Then I saw vXIII and immediately began to care more for that then this.
I was one of the PS3 fans that were a little miffed by SE's treatment to the system...then when they made it mulitplatform I will admit..I was pissed. Now..not so much, in fact I'm happy about it now.
Then as I watch for like...3 years, I noticed something progress...there was NO progress in XIII. They kept showing the SAME shit for like 2 E3s/TGS....
Meanwhile vXIII looked more and more and more intriguing. SE revealed more in the less of vXIII then the entirety of XIIIs trailers.
Then more games came out and XIII became less and less.
The final nail in my overall meh toward XIII was the knowledge that Lightning is NOT the main character anymore...there is NO lead in the game...it's kinda like VI....which wouldn't be so bad if I thought SE was still at that 'caliber' of story/character crafting anymore.
I played the demo and I was unimpressed, the summons look awful, the characters while not completely crazy looking now look rather bland.
There's frankly nothing remotely interesting about XIII for me anymore.
But I'm getting the game because I want to support SE for the sole completion of vXIII, BbS and KH3.
The overall mood at SE is toxic and depressing; XIII compliation is a money pit at the moment, SE's rep is in the toilet and this game somewhat shows it, I can't explain it...but it does.
And really...they only have themself or rather...Wada to blame for this.
That's the God's truth right there. Now I would LOVE to be proven wrong about XIII.
If you're looking forward to it then no amount of piss and vinegar is going to make you think otherwise unless deep down in the pit of your stomach...you feel the same too.
If not, then don't concern yourself with my opinion...look to the game with glee! LOL! ^-^
LOL! I'm just saying what I feel about the game...I know I'm not the only one and I'm sure others have different reasons from me.
But honestly...that's what happened. I mean Uncharted 2 has spoiled everything...
I'm not even badmouthing MS...they threw money, SE is a whore like most companies and that's that...
But the quality of SEs games as of late on the consoles have been less then stellar. XIII will sell...but it won't be for the reasons most think...it'll sell because we waited SO LONG for it, it will make the grades because it'll be the best JRPG out on the systems at the moment because frankly it's the ONLY JRPG on the systems at the moment (excluding previous JRPGs).
XIII just looks tired, it looks defeated and much like a has-been pop singer...she'll twirl around and sing familiar songs that we love..
But she's dead inside....
That's what XIII is to me right now and it breaks my heart.
@Rachel Fogg: I think we need a "Disappointed Fans of Final Fantasy" support group or something.
I've been thinking everything you mentioned (except the uncharted 2 bit, since I haven't played the game). In fact, I find myself unconvinced of even purchasing the game. My biggest motivation for it at the moment is "Well, the story and world will be somehow connected to Versus... so that will be good to know."
But who knows, maybe we'll be wrong, and XIII will surprise us with goodness. It just seems to me like the game is taking the genre a step backwards, instead of forward. Which is completely the opposite of what we've come to expect from the series. *sigh*
LOL! If we made such a group we would number in the millions. Everyone has their favourite and least favourite FF. Oldschoolers against Newschoolers etc.
But XIII is different because it looks almost unanimously whether you're a new fan or old....it's looking rather bad at the moment.
As I said before with XIII it just looks tired...it doesn't look like any sort of love or consideration was placed it in.
vXIII LOOKS to be the opposite....
I'm not saying that vXIII will be completely better then XIII, I'm simply saying from the outset that's how it appears. I could be wrong and XIII is better...I dunno.
All I know is that my expectation for XIII is SO LOW that it can't possibly fail to impress me at this point when I play it.
@Rachel Fogg: The pop singer bit is a good analogy. Who knows though, maybe this pop star will make a comeback and be bigger than ever, just like...... for the life of me I can't think of anyone who has really pulled that off correctly before.
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Hated: Smelling like Zoolander.
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Know who I don't wanna smell? Hope. Seriously, ever smell a kid who just got off a school bus? Being packed in tightly with other grody children doesn't exactly make you smell fresh.
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Don't get me wrong. I want this game, I want it bad. I'll buy it the day it lands, and play the hell out of it. But it's too sterile. Everything about it, the world, the characters, lack any sort of grit at all. FFX was like this and FFXII kind of slid back that world was a little 'dirty' in parts.
Yet everything I see about FFXIII makes me think of labs, hospitals, and places where a germ wouldn't be seen... ever. I don't like that and I think that's kind of why I liked FFVII and FFVI so much.
Those worlds had grit and grime and death and decay and you could see it, you could feel it.
Nothing about FFXIII looks like that to me. It's as if the whole of the world was made in a test tube and carefully laid out--no touching!--to be seen.
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Holy shit...dude...you're...right. XIII is so freaking clean..
XII had dirt...but it was in the form of badly rendered man chests.
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I'm a fan of hygiene, you see.
And yes, I liked hygiene before it sold out and you could buy their fucking shirts at Hot Pocket.
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VI and VII and even those before had a more rugged feel. Compare Chono Trigger to Chrono Cross and you'll see what I mean. Or Vagrant Story to FFVIII
The first thing that made me go, 'Wow' when I played Resident Evil 2 wasn't anything other than the city. The city looked real. It looked like a city would look if zombies had hit a small city. Newspapers strewn across streets, the boards over windows were splintered from zombie attacks, glass bits were on sidewalks, the city looked like a riot had taken place. It didn't look like a perfectly rendered city that had junk dumped into it.
Obviously the Sci-Fi look is what Squenix wants and so be it, but this is the very reason I like Star Wars over Star Trek.
Compare Piccard to Obi-Wan (any movie.) Compare the rebels to the Federation. You see what I mean?
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Like I said, I'm very much looking forward to playing the next Final Fantasy installment but... I just wish it was dirtier.
11/27/09
What the hell?
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Top: Yellow Peach, Citrus, Aqua Leaf Green
Middle: Lilac, Sweet Rose, Geranium, Mild Jasmin, Mild Gardenia
Last: Sweet Musk, Mild Amber, Mild Woody
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...seriously, what is the market for this?
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(I kid!)
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Well, saying the game will be crap would be too easy...perhaps SE is preparing us?
Maybe this is there way of saying sorry....?
I kid SE, I kid....
kinda.
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/Simpsons reference
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Fantastic....just perfect. At this point, I can't think of any reference that would be more appropriate then this.
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Hmmm...
Well I can't speak for other people, but I can say that honestly for me...truthfully?
I was burned by the godawfulness of XII, so when I saw XIII I was filled with hope. Then I saw vXIII and immediately began to care more for that then this.
I was one of the PS3 fans that were a little miffed by SE's treatment to the system...then when they made it mulitplatform I will admit..I was pissed. Now..not so much, in fact I'm happy about it now.
Then as I watch for like...3 years, I noticed something progress...there was NO progress in XIII. They kept showing the SAME shit for like 2 E3s/TGS....
Meanwhile vXIII looked more and more and more intriguing. SE revealed more in the less of vXIII then the entirety of XIIIs trailers.
Then more games came out and XIII became less and less.
The final nail in my overall meh toward XIII was the knowledge that Lightning is NOT the main character anymore...there is NO lead in the game...it's kinda like VI....which wouldn't be so bad if I thought SE was still at that 'caliber' of story/character crafting anymore.
I played the demo and I was unimpressed, the summons look awful, the characters while not completely crazy looking now look rather bland.
There's frankly nothing remotely interesting about XIII for me anymore.
But I'm getting the game because I want to support SE for the sole completion of vXIII, BbS and KH3.
The overall mood at SE is toxic and depressing; XIII compliation is a money pit at the moment, SE's rep is in the toilet and this game somewhat shows it, I can't explain it...but it does.
And really...they only have themself or rather...Wada to blame for this.
That's the God's truth right there. Now I would LOVE to be proven wrong about XIII.
If you're looking forward to it then no amount of piss and vinegar is going to make you think otherwise unless deep down in the pit of your stomach...you feel the same too.
If not, then don't concern yourself with my opinion...look to the game with glee! LOL! ^-^
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LOL! I'm just saying what I feel about the game...I know I'm not the only one and I'm sure others have different reasons from me.
But honestly...that's what happened. I mean Uncharted 2 has spoiled everything...
I'm not even badmouthing MS...they threw money, SE is a whore like most companies and that's that...
But the quality of SEs games as of late on the consoles have been less then stellar. XIII will sell...but it won't be for the reasons most think...it'll sell because we waited SO LONG for it, it will make the grades because it'll be the best JRPG out on the systems at the moment because frankly it's the ONLY JRPG on the systems at the moment (excluding previous JRPGs).
XIII just looks tired, it looks defeated and much like a has-been pop singer...she'll twirl around and sing familiar songs that we love..
But she's dead inside....
That's what XIII is to me right now and it breaks my heart.
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I've been thinking everything you mentioned (except the uncharted 2 bit, since I haven't played the game). In fact, I find myself unconvinced of even purchasing the game. My biggest motivation for it at the moment is "Well, the story and world will be somehow connected to Versus... so that will be good to know."
But who knows, maybe we'll be wrong, and XIII will surprise us with goodness. It just seems to me like the game is taking the genre a step backwards, instead of forward. Which is completely the opposite of what we've come to expect from the series. *sigh*
11/27/09
LOL! If we made such a group we would number in the millions. Everyone has their favourite and least favourite FF. Oldschoolers against Newschoolers etc.
But XIII is different because it looks almost unanimously whether you're a new fan or old....it's looking rather bad at the moment.
As I said before with XIII it just looks tired...it doesn't look like any sort of love or consideration was placed it in.
vXIII LOOKS to be the opposite....
I'm not saying that vXIII will be completely better then XIII, I'm simply saying from the outset that's how it appears. I could be wrong and XIII is better...I dunno.
All I know is that my expectation for XIII is SO LOW that it can't possibly fail to impress me at this point when I play it.
11/27/09
Well there goes my last shred of optimism.