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10/23/09
*runs* #finalfantasyxii
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10/22/09
Really SE? Really?....
Anyhoo, those things were disgusting when I drunk some last year, I don't know what flavor it was but it was diabetes sweet.
Here's hoping for a better drink y'all! #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
When did they say Lightning wasn't the main character? #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
Like...months/a year ago. I dunno where they said it but they first said that Lightning was the main, then that she and Snow were the main to just everybody's in the forefront.
Which I don't like...at all...I'm not making this up I swear.
I was hoping that Lightning was the lead because FINALLY we had a badass female lead that wasn't a pussy white mage/summoner chick (sorry...I don't like pure magic users. Especially if they're female, it's so cliche...)
But that's what I heard, unless they changed it again. I wouldn't be surprised. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
I never really assumed she wasn't the main character, all the major plot points seem to be related to her mostly, I don't mind the characters "sharing the fame" so to speak, as long as they don't skimp out of a main character like XII.
I would say Terra was a badass female lead, she transformed into a half Esper bag of awesomeness, what more can you ask for! :P #finalfantasyxii
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Nah, I never liked Terra...EVER. I was a Celes girl. LOL! It's the same way about Aerith, I loved Tifa more.
But for Lightning, that's what it was eluded to, that she was the main...I'll try to find where I read that she wasn't. I swear I wasn't making it up.
To me, I don't want shared fame...that can lead to disaster like in XII, Vaan and Ashe were SORTA the leads but you spent time like 'caring' about everyone else.
So far from what I see, the only person that seems to have 'depth' is Sazh....
:sigh: I dunno.... #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
Hey! Celes wasn't some love starved twit. She was a high ranking official in an army and stabbed a crazy guy. I think that makes her a BAMF. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
I don't doubt that you're being honest haha, I just wasn't aware they were going in that direction.
Hmm, I'd have to say my favourite females from the series are Rydia, Faris, Terra, Tifa, Freya and Fran, I have a feeling Miss black haired Dragoon up there will join those ranks soon though, she seems pretty awesome. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
Not to me, because I was hyped for Lightning to BE the lead...it was important to me. Not life or death important but it was something I ALWAYS wanted to see in a FF.
Not an unsure girl with hidden powers. Not a shy summoner or a bitch princess.
Lightning looked to be that one girl to break the mold. Having equal time for people would be AWESOME if I knew SE could do it....they haven't exactly garnered faith in me as of late of handling a story such as that.
From what I've seen of XIII everyone has a story, but CLEARLY the focus is on Lightning, her sister and whatever she is, the bad dude's after her, Snow and her have a history....I mean, all signs point to her and they are just going to have her take turns.
The problem is, someone's story is going to be slighted....if not done correctly.
It's just my thoughts on the matter, I don't like it...I wanted Lightning to be the lead but I'm willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt that they pushed her aside and added the other characters for a reason. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
What? Did...you read what I said? I SAID I love Celes OVER Terra....LOL!
And who was the loved starved twit? #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
I liked Rydia too, she was adorable..mine were Rydia, Celes, Tifa, Quntis (mmmm) Beatrix, Freya, Lulu (until she became useless...) Paine and Fran.
I agree, I'm looking forward to Fang, having Lightning and Fang counterbalances the Loli bait of Vanille and Serah.
If SE does a good job...which I hope, I'll enjoy it regardless....I just really see it as a missed opportunity, y'know? #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
As for the love starved twit, it is a reference to something Celes says to... Terra? but I could be wrong. The fact that I can't remember who she says that line to is a testament to my need to replay that game for probably the 10th or 11th time. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
No biggie, it happens....
I can't recall, it's been ages since I've played VI. Terra just...pisses me off. Playing Dissidia only confirmed my dislike for her. There's only one FF Female I hate with unfathomable hate filled hate and that's Rinoa.
Give her all the powers in the world and would still throw her in front of a bus given a chance LOL! j/k #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
Though I can see why they are probably they are advertising Lightning and Snow (OK, just Lightning) more. They both are prominent and recognizable icons of FFXIII, and looks like Square is only trying to capitalize on that. Though advertising Lightning more could be based on… "marketing choices in that region" (you know what I'm talking about).
Anyways, don't ever buy these drinks as collectibles (except for bottle caps, whee~), only as drinks. Hopefully this won't end up tasting like cheap sake, though. :p #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
FFXIII is an anime cliche drama. To complete that circle they need an ice queen that'll fall head over heels for some guy except shoujo drama, he's dating her sister.
Don't be surprised if super sentai soldiers show up a quarter through the game considering the director and the writer. #finalfantasyxii
10/23/09
Seth from Lost Odyssey, Lin from Breath of Fire V, Karin from Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Monica from Dark Cloud 2, Shiki from Samurai Showdown, Sara from Samurai Champloo, to name a few. There aren't many examples, but you get the occasional gem. #finalfantasyxii
10/23/09
Let's face it, girls that are strong and not fan service don't sell. I mean, yeah, the girls of Uncharted are great, I love them, but most of us picked up Uncharted 2 to continue Drake's adventure.
The majority of girls that buy FF(majority of girls being important) don't care about female characters. It's the same with manga/anime. They like the boys, they tend to hate the girls. Look at Gintama - there are tons of strong females in it, but all the fan fare goes to the boys because the female fans are the vocal fanbase and they love the slash and the pretty. Second facing it, the vocal FF community is girls. Vaan was dumped into FFXII instead of Basch being the lead because of the female fandom.
Then you have the sad fact that strong women are "intimidating" to the male populace which helped strengthen the moe subculture and taste for subservient girls making characters like Hinata and Hinamori from Naruto and Bleach so popular.
One of my favorite anime series was Witch Hunter Robin. Sure, Robin wasn't some super baddass beat the shit out of everyone and be in charge chick, but she was a good character and not blatantly sexualized through large assets and fan service outfits and by the end of the series she was more than capable and a strong girl. Oh wait, that series failed.
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Oh, and before anything brings up Samus - Zero Suit. #finalfantasyxii
10/23/09
Ghost in the Shell got popular because Makoto was naked the first time you saw her and the animation was done by the same studio that did the legendary Akira.
Uncharted 2 was about Drake, Elena and Chloe as awesome as they were, were merely plot drivers. They were great but that's essentially what they were. Your focus was NEVER on Elena and Chloe, you were happy to see them but your focus was solely on Drake's adventure so I'm not sure what you're getting at with this. Not a diss at all...just saying.
And you're right, the vast majority of girls NOW buy FF for the boy candy, I wasn't one of them and I'm sure there are plenty of girls that are like me. Hell even when they placed Vaan in XII it didn't do jack shit because all the girls that I KNOW wanted Basch and Balthier...hell even LARSA over Vaan. Vaan was just unlikable to both sexes.
I know nothing of Gitama so I can't help you there, I like Hinata because she's cute, I hate Hinamori because she's useless, just like half the women in Bleach and Naruto saved your Yuroichi and Temari.
And no, having stronger women isn't always intimidating, it depends on WHERE you place them. Putting stronger women in a shounen is generally a bad idea unless you know what you're doing. (Hell, putting women in Shounen that will outshine the boys is worse.....)
And Witch Hunter Robin failed because it was boring as ALL HELL...character designs were boring, far too dark. But I understand why people might have liked it.
You can have all the strong women in the world and it don't mean jack shit if the story and character sucks. I don't care about the fan service if the characters and story good, I'm in the stage of womanhood were so what if the girl's showing skin...can she kick ass? Great!
But if she can just kick ass and have no substance to herself well...we have a problem. I don't think that's Lightning's problem, I think she can kick ass and grow as a character. I don't think her being the lead would be a problem selling the game. Girls like her, Guys like her. SE just needs to know how to sell the game, which they're doing.
I personally just see it as a missed chance. Guys rail on FF for the yaoification, well, a female lead might have helped skew that a little.
Again, these are my opinions on the matter but I agree with the most of what you're saying.
10/23/09
As for Witch Hunter Robin, it failed because people didn't give it a chance. From a writing standpoint it was a spectacular character driven story that built up slowly and then exploded towards the end. It was a mystery shown as a supernatural police narrative.
I can also prove how Moe and over sexualizing a series is more important than strong leads by using a series that's pretty much Witch Hunter Robin tweaked: Darker than Black.
Also, Yoruichi is always sexualized in Bleach. Always. There's rarely a time where she isn't, just like Matsumoto. Yeah, sure, she's strong, and half the time she's half naked.
Besides, a female lead in FF wouldn't skew anything. In fact, it would create a situation where people are even more critical of the character to the point where she could have nothing wrong with her and she'd be bashed. The yaoification of FF precedes the "now" as it got big with FF7. Female leads do nothing to change that and never has.
Lightning by herself can't sell a game. It doesn't hit any real market. The fact that people were making fun of her for looking like Cloud says more than enough. #finalfantasyxii
10/23/09
Nevertheless with Makoto that one scene and the other are frequently used and displayed when talking about GiTS. Being sexualized and being strong AREN'T always bad. Men are just the same...hell one can say now with anime/manga, mangaka are getting the hint about the men and giving more eye candy to the female audience then EVER before, after DECADES of male fanservice...
I don't mind the nakedness or the sexy, as long as the girl can back herself up, Yoroichi can. Not EVERY female character needs to be covered up like a nun, Yoro likes her body and likes to show it off...there's no shame in that. I'd rather have her in Bleach more then Rangiku...and I LIKE Rangiku!
And Bleach gives more fanservice then just about any anime I've seen in YEARS both to males and females....
As for Witch Hunter Robin, there was no selling point, it sucks but it's true...there was nothing in the show that stuck out save Robin's hair. Perhaps if WHR came out later then it did it might have fared better.
I don't necessarily see FF not getting improved because of Lightning or failing because of it. FFVII didn't START getting yaoi-hits for about a year after it came out (everything has yaoi in it just like hentai...) SE saw the doujinshi and the fanfics and ran with it....which oddly enough, was a good marketing choice. (SE loves MONEY!)
And Lightning's design was made to be a female version of Cloud...which I can see. And mostly, the people who rail on her mostly rail because they hate VII...I've even seen Lightning designs 'based' after Squall because of her Gunblade, it's the good old fashion oldschool versus newschool all over again. IMO
The truth is, until we know or play the game, we can't really decided on if we like Lightning or not, hell I played VIII with all the intentions of liking Squall....that failed miserably because I like Seifer more. LOL!
I see it as a chance, you don't....agree to disagree. Like, I agree with most of what you're saying...believe me, but to me, personally, I would've liked to seen it. That's all. #finalfantasyxii
10/23/09
The more requirements you throw in, the harder it is to narrow down though. But that really says something. #finalfantasyxii
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More Lightning than YOUR BODY HAS ROOM FOR!
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10/22/09
It reminds me of the robin scene from A Bug's Life.
*Shudder*
This is probably gonna end up tasting like some kind of cheap sake, though.
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10/22/09
They look quite nice, but I feel the drink inside may be pretty vile.
Also someone tried to explain how to drink coke the other day in a walkthrough but never finished. Could they please?
I have some here, but can't use it. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
10/22/09
I'll honestly laugh if this FF fails, but that's extremely unlikely due to the fact that FF is overrated beyond belief. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
And considering how much money Square's poured into this game, if it fails then the company's basically screwed. #finalfantasyxii
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10/22/09
[gizmodo.com] #finalfantasyxii
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The potion was vile...pure sugar...
Now the FF themed alcoholic drinks? Those were badass. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
Two shots of Aftershock.
Two shots of Bacardi 151.
One shot of pure Absinthe.
After you drink it, you'd die in a single hit.
10/22/09
I'll drink the crap outta that...I'll die...but I'll drink it.
I actually forgot the one I drunk...I know it was pretty. #finalfantasyxii
10/22/09
@Archaotic: Just like those yucky Gamer Grub meals? :p #finalfantasyxii
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