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This makes me laugh because Japan is well aware of soccer or football whichever your country chooses to call it. The difference is that FIFA flops while Pro-Evo flourishes, it even gets console bundles in Japan, its quite the seller. The problem isnt the sport but the game. #japan
Here is how FIFA games have been released over here until now.
Week one: prominently featured in the new release section.
Week two:sent to the dark corner of the sports game section....where it goes to die along with Madden, NBA Live, and Tiger Woods.
While Madden, NBA Live, and Tiger Woods are the only games available over here for football/basketball/golf...FIFA is not as lucky in that they have a domestically developed title to content with...Winning Eleven (I think its called Pro Evo in the west)...or "Wi-re" as its known over here.
In my over five years in Japan....I have seen people skip out on work/school/social obligations in order to pick up and indulge in the latest Winning Eleven title. Its basically the Japanese equivalent of a Madden release. And yet I am yet to hear of anyone knowing/caring about FIFA.
And putting Japanese players on the box makes absolutely no difference. The Japanese version of MVP Baseball 2005 had Ichiro, Hideki Matsui, Hideo Nomo, AND Kazuo Matsui on the box....NBA Live 06 had Tabuse on the box....and both of those titles still sold abysmally.
@excel_excel: That would show cultural sensitivity; don't be ridiculous.
There's plenty of Japanese people who love MLB or COD, but as Moore unintentionally admits, publishers don't even make the slightest effort in a genre where it's mind-numbingly simple to appeal to people. #japan
Sadly weve tried but knife crime is a real problem over here. My friend got stabbed the other week and lost his spleen over a game of pool #jamescallaghan
@HenryHSH: And accordingly, if his friends knew he got violent after drinking and gave him alcohol anyways, that's criminally negligent homicide.
If Mr. Callaghan is actually schizophrenic then he deserves to be in a mental hospital, not prison. A half-decent lawyer should be able to get him off easy enough.
Unless UK law works substantially differently in this case than does US law? #jamescallaghan
@HenryHSH: It never said his friends gave him, or helped him acquire, said alcohol. Notice how quick the media is to shove GTA in there AGAIN into the whole Videogames Leads to Violence" debate? Only the bloody Daily Mail, eh? #jamescallaghan
Schizophrenia and alcohol is the worst mix in history. Alcohol exponentially increases the effects of schizophrenia in an individual. This is sad... #jamescallaghan
Oh, I see... so even when the guy is playing some soccer game which triggered the RAGE, it's not the soccer game that led to the crime, but Grand Theft Auto instead.
Even considering how real soccer games leads to more crimes than any "violent game" ever did.
The stupid connections they stabilish to find a scapegoat makes me speechless sometimes...
I suppose from now on, whenever they get some serial killer that goes on a rampage they'll eventually add something like "but we heard his neighbor played lots of Grand Theft Auto"... or "during the rampage he passed in front of a game store that had Manhunt on display" and crap like that.
I'm starting to wonder if the gaming companies are not actually asking for news to connect crimes to games to boost sales or something. #jamescallaghan
A series of bad choices led to this. And even though I know nothing of this child nor his family and I am going to assume that his parents let him get away with a lot of shit in the past and put his fits of rage down to him being a teenager. "It's just kids being kids innit." Parents who, rather than acknowledge their childs mental illness, drown it in denial and more than likely have their own issues with the drink.
The US has a massive gun culture, and Britain likes to stroke their beards and scoff at America from a far saying "Those damn Yanks are going to kill each other on day!" As they take another swig of Jamesons straight from the bottle. Britain has a disturbing drunk culture, a culture so mainstream and so accepted than it is rarely made the sole villain. This instance is a case in point, the fact that the kid was a Schizophrenic is bad enough, but he was allowed to procure alcohol and that was the fuel to the fire. The game itself is irrelevant as most of you have already said, but the fact that sensationalistic journalism has dug deep and found that this child had played GTA, well that's the tipping point right? That's what the people want to hear, that's why he killed a grandmother with an Ax! Remember the time in GTA, the bit where you get wasted and attack people in your neighbourhood with an Axe and cap it all off with the brutal murder of an old lady!? That was a good one!
I understand games do influence and maybe even inspire, but those that choose to act out are already mentally unstable or dare I say it defective. they focus on the gamers and the game when they should be focused on the child and his mental state and what should be done about that. Video games seem to be weeding out these people, bringing their mental issues to the surface. If anything video games should be praised for such a thing. The parents need to keep a closer eye on their children's behavior and be more involved.
Personally I blame poor parenting and society as a whole. Oh and actually on this occasion I blame the game! Fifa 08?! Seriously!!! Come on!! I'd go crazy if I had to play that too!
@Darein: ENGLISH.. uses very few Z's in fact most uses of Z are replaced with S's Now American English uses way more Z's but really this is all symantics #jamescallaghan
@Vecha: Monday 3pmEST Kotaku Bioware: pretty much every language is a basterdisation...
and the language is called English not British English.. other variations will need a prefix.. English being English by default does not #jamescallaghan
But...The reason I call English a bastardized version of language is how it was formed.
Many like to claim it to be a decedent of Latin...but after taking many history courses I just don't see it.
You had the Sax...who continued to get taken over by French, Spanish, German, etc.
For a while the country didn't recognize "English" as it was a commoner language. A mixture of the varying languages at the time that evolved.
Now you could probably root all languages in a similar pattern...but seeing as English is one of the most difficult languages to learn as a second language...I just don't see it as "pure"...if you'd like to use that term with "bastard"
Personally, I think we should all just learn chinese...very basic language. Very easy to learn.
Anyways! This is just my opinion and a topic I find very interesting(seeing as I am studying and majoring in English!) #jamescallaghan
Yep! Mandarin. I studied mandarin in middle and high school...but my university did not offer it, so I was unable to continue my studies in it.
The characters are only hard to westerners, because we are predisposed to...can't think of the word...but the "alphabets" we use.
If the entire world had characters instead of letters we wouldn't have dyslexia and other learning disabilities associated with, what many believe, our systems in the western world.
And back to the "invasion" topic. Many Americans believe that soon the states will become a Spanglish speaking nation. As many in Texas and California do not speak English or Spanish correctly....so in a century or two it may evolve(many racists or "purist" would have you believe it's a devolution.) #jamescallaghan
I think the way language evolves is going to change massively from the way it has in the past.
As you say there is mass migration, bringing influences from a myriad of places.
In the UK words from Urdu/punjabi are beginning to become used by people from a range of cultures, Although this may only be in London, and its mainly with the younger generation.
You then have the advent of text speech, which is a particular bugbear...
Finally you have the intenet which means that colloquialisms and spellings will start to become homologised. #jamescallaghan
Not sure I approve of the use of the word "Schizo". It seems a bit slang-y and disrespectful to people who suffer from schizophrenia.
Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive?
I understand that it's just an abbreviation, and that no offence was intended, but I wonder, would you have abbreviated "Pakistani" or "Spastic" the same way to save space? #jamescallaghan
@Everybody who replied: Fair enough. Not being schizophrenic myself, or knowing anyone who is, I'm not familiar with "schizo" being used as an acceptible abbreviation. Thanks for clarifying. :) #jamescallaghan
@ThursdayNext: Actually it probably is offensive, your analogy was good..
and I apologise as I will use unnaceptable language here,
But yes abbreviating Pakistani to "p*ki" (not even going to type it) is highly offensive as is abbreviating spastic to "spaz" in fact the term spastic in itself is offensive, and is used to refer to someone who is menatally retarded, while in actuality spasicity, is a condition where the central nevous system effects the way muscles are controlled, and makes them tighten up, nothing to do with mental capacity #jamescallaghan
@ThursdayNext: I think you are thinking about it too much.
The reason it sounds disrespectful is since it is used to label people who are "crazy" regardless if they are really schizo or not.
And honestly, while it may not be totally accurate, some of those people certainly *seem* like they are afflicted with that specific problem. #jamescallaghan
Reading through the article, I find it a little off-putting that they had decided to mention videogames as an identifying source of the violence when it is apparent that the cause itself is mental illness. While videogames could have certainly played a part, the GTA bit is nothing but a throw-away line. I think part of the reason for this is that it's easy for us, as a society to blame such external factors, but not as easy when we have to look for the systemic cause. He was not receiving "treatment for his mental health problems." He had a history of violence- "He was known by his friends to be violent after drinking alcohol. As a six-year-old he had threatened his mother with a kitchen knife."
He is obviously sick. He needed help. So
A) Why wasn't he getting it? Where was his mom in all of this? What role does the government have?
B) Why would you let someone with his history drink and then let him leave the house with an axe and a knife? Why would you ever let anyone whose drunk storm off into the night with an axe and a knife?
Videogames may have been a contributing factor or even a trigger factor but it is far from being the main cause of what has happened here. I think a more serious discussion of mental health in society and how we should address it is warranted.
@NeVeRMoRe666: Well, if my best friend flipped his shit and went storming off with intent to wound or kill, and had an axe and knife, do you think I'd hold him back?
Just saying, what COULD they do? #jamescallaghan
@reesekindle: They could have called the cops or followed him making sure everyone stayed out of the way. They could have made sure he didn't get his hands on the axe or the knife. They could have done a variety of things, but I bet they just went back to playing FIFA without him. #jamescallaghan
@Slagathorian: No I mean archaic as in, no matter what someone does, taking their life is wrong, let them rot in jail for the rest of their days, but execution.. no thanks, especially of someone has a mental illness #jamescallaghan
@someone_else: And it was equally wrong for him to take an innocent persons life. But its interesting that you said: "especially if someone has a mental illness"
One has to wonder at the quality of life this individual lives, not only is he allegedly unaware of any wrong doings he commits, but one has to wonder how torturous prison will be to him, and when he is eventually released in 25 years, what would stop him from killing again?
I am more of the persuasion, one would be more likely to execute someone who has a mental illness who has committed unspeakable acts. As they would be less likely able to be rehabilitated.
Mercy to the guilty is treason to the innocent. #jamescallaghan
@Slagathorian: Ok.. I see where you are coming from, but fundamentally disagree.
If he is Schizophrenic, the he will not actually go to jail (in the UK) but will go to a secure hospital, where he will be kept indefinately under the mental health act. He may not even need to be tried (again probably wrong) If he can be rehabilitated and treated then he can be re-intigrated into society, but in all likely hood that will not happen any time soon
So although he may not go to jail, a padded cell probably awaits #jamescallaghan
@someone_else: @Slagathorian: I'll put in my 2 cents. I don't really care about capital punishment. Some people deserve to die, but, in the end, it does very little to curb crime. I understand that it costs a lot to keep people in jail for life, but that people also think execution is morally wrong. What I don't understand is why we don't have corporal punishment. That would deter people from committing crimes. And, for lesser crimes (according to the law), like DUI or battery or something, the state could just cane the criminal. Saves money, stops overcrowding prisons, is quick, just, and all around awesome. #jamescallaghan
@Hey_Blinkon: Man.. corporal punishment is one step shy of mob justice, the authorities need to rise above the comman masses,
Plus in the case of someone suffering mental illness, no capital, nor corperal punishment would work, bacause they do not think in the same way as rational people (that is not to say that all people with mental ilness are irrtional) #jamescallaghan
@someone_else: I agree that corporal punishment wouldn't be suitable for mentally ill people. They just need to be locked up/medicated.
But it would be FAR more just than mob justice. Mob justice is no justice, without a fair trial and presumption of innocence. Corporal punishment is a method of punishing after a fair trial have taken place. You could call it brutish, or savage, but it is by no means analogous mob justice. #jamescallaghan
@Hey_Blinkon: sadly, often, the mob influences those to take extreme decisions, not very often in western society, but it happens a lot outside of our society, and clearly this is wrong, i know my moral judgements are not always applicable,but that does not detract from how i feel #jamescallaghan
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Week one: prominently featured in the new release section.
Week two:sent to the dark corner of the sports game section....where it goes to die along with Madden, NBA Live, and Tiger Woods.
While Madden, NBA Live, and Tiger Woods are the only games available over here for football/basketball/golf...FIFA is not as lucky in that they have a domestically developed title to content with...Winning Eleven (I think its called Pro Evo in the west)...or "Wi-re" as its known over here.
In my over five years in Japan....I have seen people skip out on work/school/social obligations in order to pick up and indulge in the latest Winning Eleven title. Its basically the Japanese equivalent of a Madden release. And yet I am yet to hear of anyone knowing/caring about FIFA.
And putting Japanese players on the box makes absolutely no difference. The Japanese version of MVP Baseball 2005 had Ichiro, Hideki Matsui, Hideo Nomo, AND Kazuo Matsui on the box....NBA Live 06 had Tabuse on the box....and both of those titles still sold abysmally.
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Also pass the memo to japanese players that Fifa is far better than PES is this year #japan
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There's plenty of Japanese people who love MLB or COD, but as Moore unintentionally admits, publishers don't even make the slightest effort in a genre where it's mind-numbingly simple to appeal to people. #japan
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You could replace "dating sim" if you wish with any of the following:
-anime girls
-bikini volleyball
-sixaxis jiggle
-japanese pop icons
-chibi animals #japan
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"Sasuke Watanabe's Panty Raiding 2011". #japan
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You should ban axes, like you've banned handguns. This would never have happened.
Love,
The United States of America #jamescallaghan
10/27/09
Sadly weve tried but knife crime is a real problem over here. My friend got stabbed the other week and lost his spleen over a game of pool #jamescallaghan
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Dear United States of America
Don't be silly.
Love,
Everyone #jamescallaghan
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If Mr. Callaghan is actually schizophrenic then he deserves to be in a mental hospital, not prison. A half-decent lawyer should be able to get him off easy enough.
Unless UK law works substantially differently in this case than does US law? #jamescallaghan
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Even considering how real soccer games leads to more crimes than any "violent game" ever did.
The stupid connections they stabilish to find a scapegoat makes me speechless sometimes...
I suppose from now on, whenever they get some serial killer that goes on a rampage they'll eventually add something like "but we heard his neighbor played lots of Grand Theft Auto"... or "during the rampage he passed in front of a game store that had Manhunt on display" and crap like that.
I'm starting to wonder if the gaming companies are not actually asking for news to connect crimes to games to boost sales or something. #jamescallaghan
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The US has a massive gun culture, and Britain likes to stroke their beards and scoff at America from a far saying "Those damn Yanks are going to kill each other on day!" As they take another swig of Jamesons straight from the bottle. Britain has a disturbing drunk culture, a culture so mainstream and so accepted than it is rarely made the sole villain. This instance is a case in point, the fact that the kid was a Schizophrenic is bad enough, but he was allowed to procure alcohol and that was the fuel to the fire. The game itself is irrelevant as most of you have already said, but the fact that sensationalistic journalism has dug deep and found that this child had played GTA, well that's the tipping point right? That's what the people want to hear, that's why he killed a grandmother with an Ax! Remember the time in GTA, the bit where you get wasted and attack people in your neighbourhood with an Axe and cap it all off with the brutal murder of an old lady!? That was a good one!
I understand games do influence and maybe even inspire, but those that choose to act out are already mentally unstable or dare I say it defective. they focus on the gamers and the game when they should be focused on the child and his mental state and what should be done about that. Video games seem to be weeding out these people, bringing their mental issues to the surface. If anything video games should be praised for such a thing. The parents need to keep a closer eye on their children's behavior and be more involved.
Personally I blame poor parenting and society as a whole. Oh and actually on this occasion I blame the game! Fifa 08?! Seriously!!! Come on!! I'd go crazy if I had to play that too!
Overshare! #jamescallaghan
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When I see "ax" I get the same image in my head as "axe". It matters not... #jamescallaghan
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You mean British English...
Oh...you mean the Brits came first and had the first version of English(which itself is ironically a Bastard language ) ;) #jamescallaghan
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and the language is called English not British English.. other variations will need a prefix.. English being English by default does not #jamescallaghan
10/30/09
Was just poking fun at ya. ;)
But...The reason I call English a bastardized version of language is how it was formed.
Many like to claim it to be a decedent of Latin...but after taking many history courses I just don't see it.
You had the Sax...who continued to get taken over by French, Spanish, German, etc.
For a while the country didn't recognize "English" as it was a commoner language. A mixture of the varying languages at the time that evolved.
Now you could probably root all languages in a similar pattern...but seeing as English is one of the most difficult languages to learn as a second language...I just don't see it as "pure"...if you'd like to use that term with "bastard"
Personally, I think we should all just learn chinese...very basic language. Very easy to learn.
Anyways! This is just my opinion and a topic I find very interesting(seeing as I am studying and majoring in English!) #jamescallaghan
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I know you were messing
Yeah, English has its roots in Latin, German, French... and anyone who has ever invaded us will have had some impact in the language.
When you say Chinese do you mean Mandrin or Cantonese?
As well
Wo jau Pijo - I would like a beer
Wo jau Jauzu - I would like dumplings
Hen hau chu - It tastes very nice
Ei, ar, san - one, two, three
Reading Mandarin is probably a little harder, but I picked a few things up, and I am sure that there are quite a few simple characters #jamescallaghan
10/30/09
Yep! Mandarin. I studied mandarin in middle and high school...but my university did not offer it, so I was unable to continue my studies in it.
The characters are only hard to westerners, because we are predisposed to...can't think of the word...but the "alphabets" we use.
If the entire world had characters instead of letters we wouldn't have dyslexia and other learning disabilities associated with, what many believe, our systems in the western world.
And back to the "invasion" topic. Many Americans believe that soon the states will become a Spanglish speaking nation. As many in Texas and California do not speak English or Spanish correctly....so in a century or two it may evolve(many racists or "purist" would have you believe it's a devolution.) #jamescallaghan
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I think the way language evolves is going to change massively from the way it has in the past.
As you say there is mass migration, bringing influences from a myriad of places.
In the UK words from Urdu/punjabi are beginning to become used by people from a range of cultures, Although this may only be in London, and its mainly with the younger generation.
You then have the advent of text speech, which is a particular bugbear...
Finally you have the intenet which means that colloquialisms and spellings will start to become homologised. #jamescallaghan
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I had one professor who told me dialects are starting to vanish...but honestly I still hear quite a bit of deep accents.
I honestly hope the world doesn't become to similar as far as cultures and dialects go... #jamescallaghan
10/27/09
Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive?
I understand that it's just an abbreviation, and that no offence was intended, but I wonder, would you have abbreviated "Pakistani" or "Spastic" the same way to save space? #jamescallaghan
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But in this context, he's a schizo, the word is being used as a shortened version of schizophrenic. #jamescallaghan
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and I apologise as I will use unnaceptable language here,
But yes abbreviating Pakistani to "p*ki" (not even going to type it) is highly offensive as is abbreviating spastic to "spaz" in fact the term spastic in itself is offensive, and is used to refer to someone who is menatally retarded, while in actuality spasicity, is a condition where the central nevous system effects the way muscles are controlled, and makes them tighten up, nothing to do with mental capacity #jamescallaghan
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The reason it sounds disrespectful is since it is used to label people who are "crazy" regardless if they are really schizo or not.
And honestly, while it may not be totally accurate, some of those people certainly *seem* like they are afflicted with that specific problem. #jamescallaghan
10/27/09
He is obviously sick. He needed help. So
A) Why wasn't he getting it? Where was his mom in all of this? What role does the government have?
B) Why would you let someone with his history drink and then let him leave the house with an axe and a knife? Why would you ever let anyone whose drunk storm off into the night with an axe and a knife?
Videogames may have been a contributing factor or even a trigger factor but it is far from being the main cause of what has happened here. I think a more serious discussion of mental health in society and how we should address it is warranted.
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Just saying, what COULD they do? #jamescallaghan
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One has to wonder at the quality of life this individual lives, not only is he allegedly unaware of any wrong doings he commits, but one has to wonder how torturous prison will be to him, and when he is eventually released in 25 years, what would stop him from killing again?
I am more of the persuasion, one would be more likely to execute someone who has a mental illness who has committed unspeakable acts. As they would be less likely able to be rehabilitated.
Mercy to the guilty is treason to the innocent. #jamescallaghan
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If he is Schizophrenic, the he will not actually go to jail (in the UK) but will go to a secure hospital, where he will be kept indefinately under the mental health act. He may not even need to be tried (again probably wrong) If he can be rehabilitated and treated then he can be re-intigrated into society, but in all likely hood that will not happen any time soon
So although he may not go to jail, a padded cell probably awaits #jamescallaghan
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Plus in the case of someone suffering mental illness, no capital, nor corperal punishment would work, bacause they do not think in the same way as rational people (that is not to say that all people with mental ilness are irrtional) #jamescallaghan
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But it would be FAR more just than mob justice. Mob justice is no justice, without a fair trial and presumption of innocence. Corporal punishment is a method of punishing after a fair trial have taken place. You could call it brutish, or savage, but it is by no means analogous mob justice. #jamescallaghan
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