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And as we all know, Halo invented every game mechanic/idea ever. No exceptions. #falloutmmo
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Large support staff of GMs, developers creating new content, QA folks hammering out bugs and exploits, etc don't work for free, nor can they rely on store sales to provide their income.
The average game these days gets 10-20 hours of story gameplay if you're lucky, after that replayability is based on creating new games or some form of multiplayer PvP. I realize Fallout 3 / Oblivion get a lot more playtime out of them if you explore every nook and cranny, but they're the exception in this day and age.
The average non-massive multiplayer game consists of a local save file outlining some very basic character information, if any. MMOs have databases that track a ton of info.
MMOs require mountains of bandwidth compared to gamer-hosted 8-player matches or GameSpy/Xbox Live hosted 16-player matches.
The sheer amount of game content that is available in a good subscription-based MMO outstrips even Fallout 3 and Oblivion, to be realistic.
Free to play MMOs are often maintained and supported by a very small skeleton staff and live off of item shop purchases that, while not mandatory, often will make your leveling or movement or equipment much better than trying to play without paying a cent.
Your subscription pays for ongoing content creation, paying for bug fixes that will actually get fixed (PS3 version of Oblivion GOTY anyone?) and keeping the infrastructure up to allow you to play with thousands of people at once instead of a glorified lobby game.
That all being said, I would be all over a Fallout MMO if done well. I'm not fussed about whether it's more like Fallout 1 or 3, as long as it's fun, encourages group play (hate how all recent MMOs give greatest benefit to soloers until the end-game,) and has some good storylines in it. #falloutmmo
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Typical console game: 10 hours of gameplay and added replayability through the same game with a new character or multiplayer pvp matches.
MMO: hundreds of hours of gameplay, way more development time into making a large amount of content.
Dunno what MMOs you've played or are basing your opinion on, but there's enough MMOs out there that have a lot of depth and storyline to them to rival any console RPG. #falloutmmo
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Take the time to talk to non-quest NPCs? Why bother? Read lore books scattered around the game? Boooring, where's my phat lewts.
I've played Everquest on and off since 2001, and the sheer amount of work that has gone into their storylines (though they've gotten lazy in recent years) is amazing.
They have hundreds of years of history built behind the whole Kunark expansion, one of my favourites for lore. Every single zone has a story behind it, and every raid mob you kill has a history outside of "zomg he's bad! Keel him!"
I'm not saying every MMO is rich in stories, but a lot of the higher quality ones are.
And yeah, I can totally see the point of being in favour of lifetime subscriptions and the like. I was mainly posting to counterpoint the people that would consider this game Fallout 4 (or 5 or whatever) in the size and scope, with multiplayer. #falloutmmo
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Not only would it be fun, it wouldn't require a stupid monthly subscription fee. #falloutmmo
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Don't get me wrong I've been having a LOT of fun with borderlands besides the fact that gearbox dropped the ball on it (playing it on PC) and their support, massive ammount of bugs (and they happened on PS3 too not just PC) 20 year old net code, and using gamespy (GAMESPY?!?) it is still great fun to play with friends, once you get past the initial set up to play, that should of been ready out of the box.
If interplay does Fallout right though as an MMO setting it could be effing fantastic, everything could actually mean something, those bandits you shoot could be players, hell you could be one of those bandits, rob people, all that good stuff. Then we are looking at a hardcore MMO though, but with the carebear system most companies are adopting with MMO's these days, it may never happen.
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Well, if I'm going to base my early thoughts on what that sort of game would do, I'd say it would probably suffer from a player base that will play it but the MMO will come crashing down after a few years much like the hordes of other MMOs that have come and gone since the original release of Fallout 3.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good game, and I'm not saying I'm opposed to them doing it, I'm just saying that I think they'd be better served making a game that wouldn't be dependent on making money off online subscriptions and would instead focus on smaller multiplayer groups being able to be played from a console.
Or to put it another way... I think WoW would crush them under their massive piles of money like a tin can.
Plus, wandering around a 'Wasteland' in an MMO would be weird. When Humanity's been blown the hell up, I don't want to see a party of 20 Vault Dwellers on a little walk about go grind themselves some XP against the Enclave over the hill while I'm trekking about the 'lonely wasteland'. #falloutmmo
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But like I said, with the carebear system people adopt today with their games it most likely won't happen, especially if they are trying to beat WoW, but pleanty of games still survive without having to beat WoW man, you don't have to beat it to survive!
If they don't make it a hardcore game though, for that setting it won't survive IMO this setting needs to be tough, for immersive purposes.
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Bethesda is supposedly fighting them because they have nothing to show. #falloutmmo
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It isn't easy to take an IP and run out several different imaginings of it at one time. Bethesda "owns" the Fallout universe at the moment, and they'll keep owning it when next year's game comes out, and Fallout 4 releases in 2011.
A few other popular IPs can survive with different versions, but they don't always. I wonder, as more info comes out next year, if people will even pay any attention to this since it is clearly going in a post-apocalyptic WoW direction as far as style.
As much as all your hardcore Fallout 1 & 2 fans want to believe everyone wants classic Fallout, you have to come to terms with the fact that Bethesda's version is now the definitive Fallout. #falloutmmo
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If the company can restart properly then good luck to them and well lots of ips that are still good that they possibly own. But till then yeah Bethesda's fallout is all we'll have.
Though would be nice to see the guys from those various studios work together again. #falloutmmo
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You've also got to believe, despite them being mum on it all, that TES V has got to be coming at some point relatively soon. #falloutmmo
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Bethesda will publish it and will make i think a decent fallout game, not that shitty Gunsblivion with absolutely casual dialog system . #falloutmmo
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Don't be naive and think that even a quarter of the current Fallout 3 players actually played the original Fallouts.
I'm not calling it definitive in the canonical sense, but definitive in that it now defines the Fallout brand. #falloutmmo
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Also, not sure how you can call me wrong and then go off spouting a minority opinion like it was a fact. You may be a soulless curmudgeon who hates everything new, but LOTS and I mean LOTS of people loved Fallout 3 and would love nothing more than a Fallout 4.
It is pretty much universally appreciated as a great game that was execute very well.
You're entitled to your opinion, but be aware that you are in the minority with it. #falloutmmo
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Destroying S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system that has nothing to do with abilities in absolutely stupid, childish dialog mechanic?
Can you finish Fallout 3 with 1 intellect so every dialog could suit you with that intellect? Can you finish the game without killing someone? List goes on and on... No? Go read US reviews and play Fallout 3 and be happy with it, because its so Console brilliant. #falloutmmo
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Classic Fallout is going to return and that shitty previous game is not the definitive of Fallout. #falloutmmo
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I know New Vegas and Fallout 4 are two different products.
Get ready for disappointment because New Vegas is built on Fallout 3 and you're going to see a lot more of the same ( [xbox360.ign.com] ).
You may not have liked 3, but everyone else did [www.metacritic.com] .
There are millions of Fallout fans now because of Fallout 3. Those millions of fans are looking forward to Fallout 4.
Fallout 3 was FANTASTIC. Trying to argue otherwise with me is incredibly pointless. #falloutmmo
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What's your point? #falloutmmo
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Same in Fallout 2. Though with the Super Stimpack trick it doesn't register on your kill count. #falloutmmo
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Halo 3 gained GOTY honors too you know? And what? I know review sites that give it a score that is really suited to Bethesda's game. Like 75%.
Fallout 3 is a decent game, but its not a sequel to F1 or F2 where dialogs are great and list goes on and on. IF it had a diffferent name on franchise OK, but Bethesda wanted more money on that popular franchise name... they made this. #falloutmmo
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Yeah, and Halo 3 everybody liked on Metacritic too. Read popular review sites and ofcourse you MUST NOT HAVE your opinion!!111OneOneOne
Fallout 3 is a disaster and oldschool gamer that played F1, F2 know that Fallout 3 is not a properly done sequel to F1 and F2. #falloutmmo
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and all that holywar is not only because of that. holywar is about what Bethesda did with SPECIAL and dialog system and with whole world that looks not really good. #falloutmmo
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Thats just my opinion from playing a handful mind. #falloutmmo
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There's going to be a catch. Monthly costs, Pay-more-to-get-more, poor quality, whatever.
Just a feeling, I guess. #falloutmmo
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The idea seems great because it's the same one they've had for the past 12 years. The sudden appearance of concept art at the 11th hour of their contract doesn't assuage my doubts in the project. As far as we know this art could have been left over from the original Fallout games. No evidence of funding, and basic concept art don't constitute "Full-Scale Work" in my opinion. #falloutmmo
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What's your point? #falloutmmo
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Woo-hoo. #falloutmmo
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