Im asian and i prefer the original. she relates better/appeals to me and I just love the way she doesnt look like some over the top silicone "wanna be caucasian eye'ed" asian
Farrer's point is totally accurate and completely inappropriate. Or, to put it another way, we're not having this argument because she's a D-cup, we're having it because she's Asian.
I mean, wow, an Asian girl as a protagonist? You're sure smashing through some divides there, DICE. Glad you gave her that Geisha eyeshadow, otherwise the whole thing might have been far too subversive.
Is there gross over objectification of women in video games? Hell yes. Precious few female characters don't get treated for their charms. Worse still, it's hard to find games where female sex characteristics aren't exaggerated, if not to unrealistic amounts, than certainly to unusual ones. So, Farrer is right, and steel bikini syndrome is alive and well.
But then, the protagonist is made an Asian woman, which is really what spurns this whole discussion on. Without the ethnicity issue, this is no more than silly fan art.
Instead, it's fan art seeking to claim racial legitimacy, over art seeking to claim gender legitimacy.
It also clouds the affair because everyone is showing up with baggage over what "Asian" is suppose to look like. Flat chested or no? The answer is, obviously, it depends, simply because race isn't exact and there's a lot of different ones, arguably, covered by Asian who all have different bodies.
Mark my words: a Latnia protagonist, even one with the most ridiculous sexual characteristics, would be more forward looking than Anti-Barbie up there.
Well, sufficing she wasn't just Vasquez from Aliens with different guns, which pretty well seems to be the only role one would get in a video game.
I think the Faith they used was perfect ... more believable, and attractive in her own way. Even more so I think, since it isn't the typical bubble gum stereotype for gaming.
"We spent time on Faith, making her look like Lucy Liu.....but modifying her features just enough to prevent Faith from being legally actionable. It also took time to add the raccoon makeup."
Seriously, I did prefer the fanart version, and I didn't even notice the boob job.
Look just read my old post in the old article if you want reasons, but nothing is wrong with the DICE Faith. The anime look is tired. And I *like* anime. Shit I'm downloading DB's fansub of Bleach 196 right now.
I'm married into a Chinese family. I've been living in N.E China (Shenyang) for going on 3 years now. Now WTF does "asian" look like exactly? Hum? Seriously, folk around here (city of 7 million) look different, some of which do have 'slanted' eyes, even though it isn't considered 'pretty' anymore. Alot of young women are opting for that stupid eyelid surgery (the one that makes your eyes 'bigger'). Seriously Chinese people (well the Han anyways) are some of the most judgmental fuckers as a whole I've met. Especially if it's about class (i.e. money) or female beauty. A girl in dongbei must be tall, pale-skinned, with big eyes and any 'dark skinned southern' girls and most 'ethnic' ones need not apply for any beauty contests up here. This attitude makes me want to puke sometimes. Shit you should see their eyes when I tell someone I used to date black girls sometimes. It blows -- their -- fucking -- minds.
Now that all is China, so I can't say much about other parts of Asia. But I've heard of the same kind of attitudes elsewhere (with different details of course).
So where does all of that bring us? Fuck I don't know. If you don't like Faith, don't buy the damn game. I seriously don't think that this game would move that well in Asian anyways.
Tom Farrer, you win your very own steel bikini for not copping out with the typical, "Well, it's not our original design, but it's great to see the creative ways in which the fans will react to blablabla..."
I happen to agree that DICE's design is more appealing and "relatable", but that's beside the point.
I don't see anything wrong with how Faith actually looks.
I can understand why someone made the alterations they did... it's more sexually appealing. But, Faith isn't an overly sexual woman, so this goes against her character.
(what's worse is I've seen another edit with even larger breasts...)
I prefer the real Faith, as it fits with who she is. A woman with larger breasts wouldn't be able to run and jump like she does... at least not without back pains and slapping herself in the face with her breasts.
@Jitawa: @ca$h: i'll let this slide because you wrote this in the middle of the night. ;) i think, gentleman, the boobage should be available on an as-is basis only, and men, young and old alike, can put up or shutup and take what they are given. aaaargh
@Vecha: no one's crying here, mr. boob slider. ;) i just don't to see you kids get set up for a lifetime of boob disappointment...
@joeloliol: thank you. as a woman, i assure you, it happens a lot. adjustable boobs to order would make it worse. ;)
i must retain my sense of humour- or i will go nuts. can we at least have equal discrimination? give me a marcus fenix package slider and then we'll talk... on second thought, don't.
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11/26/08
I mean, wow, an Asian girl as a protagonist? You're sure smashing through some divides there, DICE. Glad you gave her that Geisha eyeshadow, otherwise the whole thing might have been far too subversive.
Is there gross over objectification of women in video games? Hell yes. Precious few female characters don't get treated for their charms. Worse still, it's hard to find games where female sex characteristics aren't exaggerated, if not to unrealistic amounts, than certainly to unusual ones. So, Farrer is right, and steel bikini syndrome is alive and well.
But then, the protagonist is made an Asian woman, which is really what spurns this whole discussion on. Without the ethnicity issue, this is no more than silly fan art.
Instead, it's fan art seeking to claim racial legitimacy, over art seeking to claim gender legitimacy.
It also clouds the affair because everyone is showing up with baggage over what "Asian" is suppose to look like. Flat chested or no? The answer is, obviously, it depends, simply because race isn't exact and there's a lot of different ones, arguably, covered by Asian who all have different bodies.
Mark my words: a Latnia protagonist, even one with the most ridiculous sexual characteristics, would be more forward looking than Anti-Barbie up there.
Well, sufficing she wasn't just Vasquez from Aliens with different guns, which pretty well seems to be the only role one would get in a video game.
11/26/08
11/26/08
this thing just doesn't go away.
And every time it comes back, it confirms that most of western devs/designers just dont' understand it.
Every response and comment just illustrates how they view things differently.
I could probably write an article about this.
11/26/08
11/26/08
Seriously, I did prefer the fanart version, and I didn't even notice the boob job.
DICE simply did a reverse-Boris Vallejo.
(spelling?)
11/26/08
Look just read my old post in the old article if you want reasons, but nothing is wrong with the DICE Faith. The anime look is tired. And I *like* anime. Shit I'm downloading DB's fansub of Bleach 196 right now.
I'm married into a Chinese family. I've been living in N.E China (Shenyang) for going on 3 years now. Now WTF does "asian" look like exactly? Hum? Seriously, folk around here (city of 7 million) look different, some of which do have 'slanted' eyes, even though it isn't considered 'pretty' anymore. Alot of young women are opting for that stupid eyelid surgery (the one that makes your eyes 'bigger'). Seriously Chinese people (well the Han anyways) are some of the most judgmental fuckers as a whole I've met. Especially if it's about class (i.e. money) or female beauty. A girl in dongbei must be tall, pale-skinned, with big eyes and any 'dark skinned southern' girls and most 'ethnic' ones need not apply for any beauty contests up here. This attitude makes me want to puke sometimes. Shit you should see their eyes when I tell someone I used to date black girls sometimes. It blows -- their -- fucking -- minds.
Now that all is China, so I can't say much about other parts of Asia. But I've heard of the same kind of attitudes elsewhere (with different details of course).
So where does all of that bring us? Fuck I don't know. If you don't like Faith, don't buy the damn game. I seriously don't think that this game would move that well in Asian anyways.
Ah, Bleach is done now. Later taters.
11/26/08
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11/26/08
I happen to agree that DICE's design is more appealing and "relatable", but that's beside the point.
11/26/08
I can understand why someone made the alterations they did... it's more sexually appealing. But, Faith isn't an overly sexual woman, so this goes against her character.
(what's worse is I've seen another edit with even larger breasts...)
I prefer the real Faith, as it fits with who she is. A woman with larger breasts wouldn't be able to run and jump like she does... at least not without back pains and slapping herself in the face with her breasts.
11/26/08
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11/26/08
It was awesome to finally get a female heroine that is actually a believable person, not just some typical anime slut.
11/26/08
Lash out a developer for too much boobage.
Make fun of a developer for too little boobage.
Maybe they should put boobage in the options menu...maybe even add subtitles for the bounce.
11/26/08
There's a bounce option in the DOA series I think...
11/26/08
/xx chromosomes out
11/26/08
And what about the women and children..WHAT ABOUT..waaaa!
11/27/08
@joeloliol: thank you. as a woman, i assure you, it happens a lot. adjustable boobs to order would make it worse. ;)
i must retain my sense of humour- or i will go nuts. can we at least have equal discrimination? give me a marcus fenix package slider and then we'll talk... on second thought, don't.