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04/29/09
I postulated yesterday they should put up a sequel. And today . . . well, I guess there is something to the entire, "ask and you shall receive," bit.
LMAO
04/28/09
Atheists/agnostics really appreciated this game because it allowed them to enjoy messing around with the caricatures of the religions they deplore.
Followers of those religions (from what I've seen and read, mostly Catholics/Christians though I'm sure some of the other ones as well) were moved to action to see a beloved character from their respective religion treated as somewhat of an object of disrespect.
Then, the only ones who claim that it opens discussions about/between major religions were the very agnostics who wanted something like this to remain in order to show that the gods of these religions are really nothing special.
At least, that's the impression that I get.
This game spurned more discussion when it was taken down than when it was up, and that probably says more about the product than anything.
04/28/09
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Good one molleindustria, a new an italian developer wouldn't put up with this shit without responding like this :D
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It's a joke, heard of those?
04/29/09
Wasn't responding to you :P Hence the @Edge_Hotel... he who took you seriously in the first place.
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Once again, I fail to see how this response is anywhere CLOSE to being the same. Ever. At all...
Wagging fingers and airwave complaining vs physical violence... Yeah, not seeing it.
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I'm not religious in any way, I may even say anti-religious my many means. But that doesn't make me run around calling the whambulance because something offended me. Why don't I have the right to call off crosses or Christian parties because they offend my belief that there is no supreme being?
If you truly believe in God, Muhammed or the Flying Spaghetti monster, there's no way you could actually be offended by something so relatively innocent and downright stupid.
It's a game, get over it.
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As for me, no one tells me what to do. I'm going to go home, eat cow/pork products, and spend my night drawing Mohammed cartoons. Then maybe I'll get a blood transfusion as well, and talk about evolution.
04/28/09
You're blind
I agree with you, though, and I was saying the same thing back during the LBP-debacle.
The west seem to be bending over a little too much for the muslim community, which is why they think they can get away with things like this.
This is not equality.
04/28/09
I don't see the west "bending over" any more for muslim communities than they are for Christian communities.
04/28/09
Denmakr did. Denmarks parliament apologized for something they had NO power over. Not only Denmark. Several european leaders apologized with them because they thought it was okay to sit around and act like babies and act like total dicks just because of some small newspaper.
I don't care if someone trampled on your beliefs, a bunch of cartoons is NOT enough to warrant such apologies. Or for you to walk around and burn flags and make death-threats.
But we did apologize. And we apologized for Little Big Planet featuring strings from the Quran in a song by a muslim artist.
I am all for respecting others' religion. But when those people doesn't respect me? Then I say screw them. Because if people are going to act like little children whenever something they disagree with happen instead of talking about it like an adult, then I won't give them any respect.
04/28/09
Secondly, the European leaders apologized because the cartoons represented bigotry.
Third off, Sony didn't apologize for LBP, because no Muslim group complained. Someone on a forum complained, big difference.
And finally, all of the organizations that did complain to Jyllands Posten did it in a respectful matter. They organized a massive letter writing campaign to both the paper and the government. Your allegation that people acted like "children" is totally offbase and demonstrates that you're jumping to prejudiced conclusions here.
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But the European leaders had NOTHING to do with it. At all. It was not something they should deal with. That's the same reason why I, or the Swedish government, don't apologize to the US for 9/11.
No, they recalled a game little before release and replaced the song. I've never heard of a major title being stopped right before release just because one random person mentions that a song that was released many years ago (and even received an award) might be considered insulting.
"Respectful manner"? Perhaps you missed the debacle that followed. Certainly, some might have sent letters to kindly have them removed, but then some took the newpaper and traveled to the middleeast to show to various religious leaders, causing immense uproars, boycotts, flagburnings and real acts of bigotry.
04/28/09
My way of seeing things might appear crude and unfavorably harsh (in this case against Muslims). But believe in real equality, where we treat each other on equal terms. Not the liberal kind, where the same part keep apologizing whenever the other side feels hurt.
Instead of always looking at what we in the west are doing things wrong according to them, shouldn't those people just accept that is how we do things here? As distasteful as the cartoons were, did they really warrant the rage they received? I didn't see any dialogue there. I saw fierce anger directed towards people who weren't involved, against nations, when all it was, was a newspaper. And when such anger and accusations are flung, is it then the people not involved who should apologize?
And when such anger take place, why shouldn't those people who protested, burned flags, boycotted, and were overly hateful towards the west also apologize?
If my sister did something that really upset me and I called her a "Fucking whore" (I never would)then, even if she was actually guilty of doing something bad, I would still have to apologized, because what I did was no better, even if I did it in anger.
04/28/09
Yes, the cartoons issue was overblown (I even blame the imam who first saw it and then went ahead to make the cartoon issue global) and the violence that ensued was uncalled for but the reaction to that by many in the West in the name of freedom of speech (e.g. many people abusing the Qur'an, making more caricatures, etc. because of the incidence) is hardly anything mature and just as infantile as the violent riots and the effigy burnings.
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But I think it was a little too late to get on the case of that song now, since it is sung by an muslim, and it did win an award a few years prior.
And one of my problems with it is that they hardly do something like that for everybody.
What you say about the actions is true though. And I agree that it's stupid to meet childish behavior with childish behavior. We should've sought to open a dialogue with them, not pay them back.