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Bialia
01/12/09

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Oh no! DLC that would have originally been part of the retail game? Quelle sur-fucking-prise.

A lot of us have expressed this fear about the implications of DLC. And we were laughed at. Laughed at, I tells ya!
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jayntampa
01/12/09

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You know, I don't really understand why this is an issue. Items, levels, and scenes are often removed from games as the development progresses. It's the same with movies. There isn't time or money to do everything that is in the original design.

We often get special edition DVDs with extra footage or new endings, and people aren't whining that they didn't get to see all of it in the theater.

If you feel that the game wasn't long enough or deep enough without the DLC -- that's legitimate, but DLC is optional. If you want to send a message, don't buy it.
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ph15h
01/12/09

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DLC is evil...
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Soldier_CLE says DON'T STOP AT THE STAR! REVOKE THE WHOLE DAMN THING, OWEN!!!
01/12/09

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Hey Eidos! How's that strategy working for ya?
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collusioned
01/12/09

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There is no "I" in "Team" Mr. Lindstrom.
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Soldier_CLE says DON'T STOP AT THE STAR! REVOKE THE WHOLE DAMN THING, OWEN!!!
01/12/09

@collusioned: But there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meatpie.
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BretzE
01/12/09

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I am now happy that Eidos is in such bad shape. these guys have been getting progressively worse every year. First with the scandal surrounding Kane and Lynch, now we are finding out they intentionally shafted their customers by removing content to charge for it later, they must really want to go under. They should learn that best way to attract and keep customers is to produce quality material and be honest and professional in their business dealings. Selling an incomplete product, with the intention of completing it later and charging for that content, which should have been in the game proper, is bullshit and anyone who defends that is an asshole.
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Pazu
01/12/09

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s/effected/affected
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excaliburps
01/12/09

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Wait. Isn't Eidos also publishing the new Batman game? I hope that isn't affected by all this...

Not to sound like an ass but a lot of developers I think intentionally leave stuff out as DLC. It might come from corporate heads but it is what it is. Best thing to curtail this sort of nonsense is to NOT buy it...
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jcgrech
01/12/09

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Sounds like the size limitations of DVD are becoming more and more pronounced--no room for movies or replay of cinematics. Wonder if more stuff like that will show up only on PS3/Blu Ray versions in the future.
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Akua
01/12/09

@jcgrech: I don't think it has to do with the size of the disk so much as it does time constraints.
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Antiterra
01/12/09

@Akua: According to Lindstrom, it was indeed a matter of disk space, not lack of time: "We jammed everything onto the disc we could for the game itself and there was no room for movies."

I suppose that, with more time, they could have implemented an option to save the movies onto the HDD as you unlocked them in the game, but would they even have bothered, even if given the time?
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gojirah
01/12/09

@jcgrech: It's hilarious that some people think that DVD will always provide enough space and that compression will magically solve all problems.

I don't mind swapping. Let's go back to floppy.
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AngryEwok
01/12/09

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I'm stunned by the lack of professionalism from some of these former employees. The gaming industry is relatively small - a lack of tact can make you famous very, very quickly.
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excaliburps
01/12/09

@AngryEwok: Now that you mention it, can't they be sued for an NDA or some other employer confidentiality agreement?

Oh what you said rings true. Who would hire him if they knew he would spout "secrets" or whatnot once he left...

Not saying Eidos is right here but you all know where I'm coming from right?
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leviathan.in.pieces
01/12/09

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I hope to see 2009 be the year that fake DLC dies, fake DLC being just this: content tacked that could've made the retail release.

I'm all for content that is created because the developers and artists had more in them that they thought was of value. Also it's great when consumer feedback helps shape the DLC (think Rock Band 2's plethora of tracks, as chosen in large by we, the people).

Down with fake DLC and long live real DLC, I say!
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gunluva is prepared to drop.
01/12/09

@leviathan.in.pieces:

If they couldn't make it in time for release, I say release the content as DLC. If they cut it so it could be used as DLC, I say they should BURN.
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Archaotic
01/12/09

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TR: Underworld better than Uncharted? I dunno about that...

But it's interesting to see these guys speaking so candidly. Eidos must've really given them the boot, and hard, to make them talk so openly. If any of this is true, that is.
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Antiterra
01/12/09

@Archaotic: What Lindstrom said is that Underworld provides a better Tomb Raider experience than Uncharted, and he's probably right about that - just like it is fair to say that Drake's Fortune provides a better Uncharted experience than Underworld.

I'll have to get around to playing Underworld someday, but I haven't turned on either the 360 or PS3 in a month, and my backlog is large enough as it is without Lara.

These days, the extent of my gaming-related activities is reduced to the time I spend on Kotaku (unless you also count putting games and systems in cardboard boxes as a gaming-related activity - I hate moving out)... :(
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Ashurahori
01/12/09

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Holy crap. Alotta Eidos' dirty secrets are coming out recently. Funny, because they've always been a straight-a publisher for me. Heck, the Tomb Raider, Hitman and Legacy of Kain franchises are in their hands, so I really hope this is just a phase.
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Knoxximus ver. 5.66
01/12/09

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This is the direction things are headed, so stock up on your complete games NOW.

HEY CRECENTE!! Where did my star go?
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rayne117 - Doesn't know what Soldier_CLE is mad about, but is mindlessly mad with him!
01/12/09

@Knoxximus (XBL/PSN): Mario stole your star. That spaghetti-eating bastard.
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Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition
01/12/09

@rayne117 - Would Pay To Fix Magibon's Teeth: Oh that' was great XD
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Knoxximus ver. 5.66
01/12/09

...and this is why I love the Tower. ^_^
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