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d_r_e
11/15/09

In reply to Job Listing Says Dead Space 2 Will Have Multiplayer
Multiplayer in Dead Space?! DO NOT WANT (unless it's just co-op we're talking about). Absolutely tired of this "adding multiplayer to everything" phase. Bah! #electronicarts
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InconspicuouslyConspicuous
11/15/09

@d_r_e: Welcome to the age of the internets, where connecting online to play video games is no longer the future; It is here now!
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JayEdGahoover
11/16/09

@d_r_e: If it's similar to L4D's versus mode, then it might work.

Might. #electronicarts
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yourcitylovesyou
11/16/09

@d_r_e: im with you. multiplayer is my absolute favourite thing about video games. competitive, and co-op. if i play a single player game, i really want to just play single player.

the most easily arguable point is "well don't play the MP part" but any time/money/effort going to MP is detracting from making the SP as good as it can be. #electronicarts
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Grind_Axis
11/15/09

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As long as it doesn't impact the game's singleplayer they can add whatever the hell they like. #electronicarts
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FeaturePreacher
11/15/09

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It's a good thing someone wised up and put multiplayer in this. Otherwise, it would have been just a rental. Hopefully it's online competitive and cooperative multiplayer. Any game where there's a character is with manual aiming must have online multiplayer if it doesn't want to be a sales failure. #electronicarts
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Paradox me
11/15/09

@FeaturePreacher: Which is an absolute shame. #electronicarts
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FeaturePreacher
11/15/09

@Paradox me: Not an absolute shame. A shame for some, an exaltation for others, and fact of gaming for everyone else. #electronicarts
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Mrugby08
11/15/09

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Every game sequel that I have played, that had multi player added, ended up being worse because they didn't concentrate on the core game. It's one of the reasons that so many sequels suck. Not to mention the fact that a good IP like Dead Space doesn't need Multi player. It's just a money grab for no good reason. #electronicarts
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Showmeyomoves!
11/15/09

@Mrugby08: How about Uncharted 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4? Those were pretty good single-player and multi-player experiences.

Metroid Prime 2 is a good case for your argument, though. #electronicarts
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Fieldy
11/15/09

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While I really don't see how a game like this needs multiplayer (RE5 anyone?), I'm at least glad to see this is apparently not one of those titles that EA supposedly recently cancelled.

Now let there be news that Mirror's Edge 2 is still alive and I'll be more than happy. #electronicarts
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Wainut
11/15/09

@Fieldy: Except RE5 multiplayer was developed after the game was finished. #electronicarts
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Fieldy
11/15/09

@Wainut: I fail to see your point.

Whether it was developed after or before doesn't make it any less shitty and/or unecessary.

Are you implying that if it had been developed alongside the single-player it would've been better?

Good luck proving that.

Some kind of Co-op mode could work but anything remotely like a deathmatch would be out of place in a survival-horror game.
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Wainut
11/15/09

@Fieldy: I was meaning that it was developed after development on the single player finished thus meaning the single player didn't take a hit because of it. #electronicarts
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jayntampa
11/15/09

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The only kind of multiplayer games like this need would be similar to Demon's Souls ... where you can leave your single player game connected, and random people can take on the role of your enemies and hunt you down. It would add a lot of tension to the game, and it would give it a pick up and play aspect -- don't feel like playing the campaign for an hour? Go stalk a player for 15 minutes! #electronicarts
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tnmnsquare
11/15/09

@jayntampa: That's what I was thinking. It's the only kind of Multi player that would make any sense for Dead Space. Hopefully they have kept the core mechanics from Dead Space strategic, slow aiming and such. As long as it isn't competitive, perk based stuff. I 've more than enough of that in my COD thank you.
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GohanGVO
11/15/09

@jayntampa: I would love it if more developers and publishers would try out more unique uses of online play in general. There must be a multitude of creative implementations beyond competitive and even the near standardization of co-op.

Shiren the Wanderer and Fable 2 have an online implementation in the realm of what Demon's Souls has, and those sorts of advancements are exciting and unique.

(A shame that WiiConnect24 goes criminally underused beyond a dozen or so titles.) #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

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In space, no one can hear you scream...

..."no multiplayer!!" #electronicarts
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Outkastprince
11/15/09

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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

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Every sequel of anything needs multiplayer...

Dead Space cannot escape the vaccuum that is game industry peer pressure.. #electronicarts
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HELLSRIDER is watching anime
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: Well sequels don't NEED multiplayer, though it surely makes them more fun ;) #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@HELLSRIDER is doing stuff: ...

*smacks HELLSRIDER over the head with the sarcasm mallet* #electronicarts
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electroshockwave
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I know you were being sarcastic but outside of Uncharted and Dead Space I can't think if any sequels getting multiplayer when the original had none.

Anyway, I just hope that it does something interesting and doesn't just resort to the typical back of the box bullet-point team deathmatch mode. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@electroshockwave: Bioshock 2?

There are several others, trust me #electronicarts
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electroshockwave
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: @Koda89: How the hell did I forget about those two? Move along, I'm having a slow day... #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@electroshockwave: Hey, i'm just glad ACII sidestepped that landmine..

Although co-op free running and plotting assassinations might be distilled awesome, any competitive multiplayer in SP games is usually counter-productive.

Tha fact that it's "merely an addition" doesn't mean that it doesn't detract from the overall appeal of the game. #electronicarts
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HELLSRIDER is watching anime
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: Yeah but you gotta admit that when done right multiplayer makes a game way better. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@HELLSRIDER is doing stuff: It doesn't make a game better, not even more complete.

It adds an extra feature, no more, no less.

Having said that, when mp is executed well it could prolong the enjoyment of the respected game. #electronicarts
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HELLSRIDER is watching anime
11/16/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I was trying to say that just that by saying it made it better...I guess I should have been more specific ;) #electronicarts
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RockyRan
11/15/09

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I really don't see the need in putting competitive multiplayer into every single game regardless of whether or not it will actually work. Why don't developers focus in making the single player better or longer, or if they just have an inexplicable fetish with online, add co-op?

Online multiplayer is just so overdone these days that it's generic, and the fact that every single sequel just HAS to have online competitive multi showcases this.

I really wish developers would, for once, focus in making a sequel with really great single-player game with an intricate story, long length (~30 hours), deeper mechanics, and more varied and intricate level design. But nope, with every sequel the developers go "OMG MULTIPLAYER MULTIPLAYER MULTIPLAYER PUT IT IN PUT IT IN PUT IT IN" like little children in a candy store. #electronicarts
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WhatTheFrag
11/15/09

@RockyRan: I agree but it's the whole monetization aspect they seem to be attracted to.

If there's competitive MP, they can release a few maps on release and modify rest of the game's maps as dlc for later. This way they'd keep earning on products released over a year ago. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@WhatTheFrag: If you build it... #electronicarts
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Knaaks
11/15/09

@RockyRan: I agree with you 100%, especially since if your game isn't called Call of Duty or Halo, the multiplayer will be a wasteland about two weeks after it is released. Why spend the time, effort, and money on adding it, when no one is going to play it, when you could be spending that money on making the single player game better?
I buy single player games to play by myself, and I buy multiplayer games to do multiplayer, very rarely do I play both on the same game. I've logged probably about 30 hours of Call of Duty 6: Call of Duty 4 2: Modern Warfare 2 since it's been out, and I haven't even touched the single player yet.
At no point during the time I was playing Dead Space or Bioshock or Mass Effect (3 of my favorite games this generation, with Mass Effect being my ALL TIME favorite) did I think "Know what would make this game a lot better? A 12 year old calling me a fag!" #electronicarts
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WhatTheFrag
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I believe so. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@WhatTheFrag: I have never purchased DLC, not even for my favourite games.

I'm a firm believer of "If no one comes, they'll eventually tear it down again" #electronicarts
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WhatTheFrag
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: well if you're not purchasing dlc to be very honest just wait for the GOTY versions of games that'll come out the next year - that strategy however doesn't usually work with most Sony first party titles or Nintendo for that matter but with MS and PC games yeah.

I doubt dlc will go away at all. In fact I bet they'll go where the money is - if there's one successful precedent where an idea makes money then you can bet that everyone and their mother in that field/industry will be trying to use that idea.

But yeah the reason why MP is so tagged on is just plainly monetization more than all other reasons (including people asking for it), there's only so much people will spend for costumes and items (with the exception of some games) but a lot of people will buy map-packs. it is however better than the days of expansion packs in the 90s where some of them weren't really expansion packs even just 1 tiny campaign added extra and you've got an extra box, manual and other junk wasting space and your original multiple discs in most cases no longer useful.

edit: just wanted to add, when the next big cashmaking strategy comes to play that's better, dlc will perhaps die, but that'll take sometime.
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@WhatTheFrag: I know it's wishful thinking, mostly because of people's disposable income, being disposed off so much lately..

I'm with you in believing there is yet a more lucrative business model out there, just waiting to be discovered.. It'll be a while though..

Until then, i'll dispose my income elsewhere, I don't do multiplayer anyway.

Edit: also maybe to clarify, i'm a total gameplay-man.. costumes, weapons, map packs or skins are of little interest to me.
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WhatTheFrag
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I think the slightly smart thing they've done is to price it like snacks so people will just buy it on an impulse/whim when they see it.

I just hope no one decides that the best way to support a game is through some sort of extended subscription model or a renewable license.

Yeah there has to be a better business model, just nothing the guys can think of yet or nothing they're willing to risk money on atm.

I'm not totally sold on all dlc, especially if it's map packs or skins - but some games have it pretty decent. Skins, costumes I do end up getting if my wife insists though. However if the Borderlands one is about 6-10 hours of content as they say then yeah I'll definitely get it. I waited for GOTY to get the fallout 3 packs for the PC after disposing off the disc from the collector's edition and haven't really bothered with the dlc for the ps3 version as yet. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@WhatTheFrag: So far i've seen 3 good examples of DLC and one incomprehensable form of it.

Army of Two, Brutal Legend and Dynasty Warriors all had free dlc, days after release. Army of Two's was 2 months after release but it added 2 full campaign levels and an alternate ending, for free.

Great for the consumer but hardly compelling from a designer point of view, except maybe to bind fans to the brand.

The Naruto UNS dlc i did not get at all though, Extra support characters scattered out over several months, as 100kb unlocks. Granted they were free but who is gonna be brought back to playing a game that's months old. And even then, they don't make money out of it, they lose money on it.

Especially since they had to place those things on ps store.. And i know they're only 100kb, but still..

Weird... #electronicarts
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TheHeeyyy
11/15/09

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Coming soon: Silent Hill deathmatch multiplayer!

*facepalm* #electronicarts
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Outkastprince
11/15/09

@TheHeeyyy: Yes, we need multiplayer in Silent Hill.

I can't be the only one aching to hammer my opponent with a flashlight? #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@Outkastprince: O yes! Fast paced gaming is for bambino's.. we need games where you take a minute or 2 to position yourself for the killshot..

Get you oldtimers back in the game

*hints at Outkastprince* #electronicarts
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Outkastprince
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I'm not that old! 50 yrs old is the new 25, right? RIGHT??? I mean, I'm not a old gamer, no, I'm not!

I'm having Prison flashbacks. No, Bubbles, I'm a boy. A boy!! #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@Outkastprince: Are your flashbacks in black and white..?

(yes, you have awoken the beast) #electronicarts
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Outkastprince
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: I hate you XD

I just have to realize these old jokes can't last long, it's impossible.

Yeah, I just have to believe that. D-K will move on to something else, maybe Arch got on his nerves or someone shot down 2d games. Something else is bound to get his attention. Yes, that has to be it. #electronicarts
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D-K, Anarchist
11/15/09

@Outkastprince: XD #electronicarts
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Outkastprince
11/15/09

@D-K, stubbed his toe..*swears*: Keep on feeding the Piranha. XD #electronicarts
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Uchikoma
11/15/09

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Is anyone else ever disappointed whenever they see the sequel to a strong single player game incorporating anything other than co-operative multiplayer? #electronicarts
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n00b_pwner
11/15/09

@Uchikoma: I want competitive multiplayer! I don't give a damn about co-op! #electronicarts
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TaylorEatWorld
11/15/09

@n00b_pwner: :| #electronicarts
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The Moof
11/15/09

@n00b_pwner: Let's all take a moment and think about RE5's competitive multiplayer....

And now you know why Dead Space should never try it. #electronicarts
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D3m0n1k_Ang3l
11/15/09

@Uchikoma: I do, all the game needs is co-op, anything else is utter trash imho. #electronicarts
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Vecha: One more Month
11/15/09

@n00b_pwner:

Why? Did you want it in Dead Space? Or do you just like competitive multiplayer? If so....there are tons of multiplayer games out there. #electronicarts
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TaylorEatWorld
11/15/09

@n00b_pwner: Let me continue. #electronicarts
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n00b_pwner
11/15/09

@Vecha: One more Month: I want it in Dead Space. Could be promising if it doesn't lag out, or if it doesn't become abandoned after 3 months. #electronicarts
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OmegaSpartan08
11/15/09

@Uchikoma: Uncharted 2 and Bioshock 2 are implementing online play after the prequels were soley single player. i cannot speak for Bioshock 2 since it is yet to be released but Uncharted 2 has an excellent multiplayer experience. if Dead Space has competitive online multiplayer then they should go for it! the more the merrier. but i hope there is co-op,too! #electronicarts
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n00b_pwner
11/15/09

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Necromorph vs Issac would be awesome! #electronicarts
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Vecha: One more Month
11/15/09

@n00b_pwner:

Sounds...like the gist of the SP experience to me. #electronicarts
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(DEAD) Goldwings - Remembered for his bravery and heroism... xD
09/19/09

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When a game you play becomes work, it most of the time becomes less enjoyable.
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MetalSonic7
09/19/09

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Man I gotta bookmark Craigslist. Definitely good for some laughs.

And... i gotta find out who craig is.
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phicaluk
09/20/09

@MetalSonic7: Your wish is my command:

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MetalSonic7
09/20/09

@phicaluk: Thank you. I can die happy now.
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Legion329
09/19/09

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Owen, I love your writing. Never leave Kotaku, haha.
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