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In any case, I did not enjoy Ocarina of Time anywhere near as much as I did A Link to the Past.
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It's guaranteed cash in your pocket.
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I'm not buying this BS that Nintendo thinks it's natural to play Zelda with waggle-stick controls. After playing Zelda for 20 years with a d-pad or analog stick and buttons, I'm not about to want to change it so I can swing at my TV and curse when Link swings left instead of overhand.
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1:1 swordplay has always had a high possibility of frustration, because it really lets us know how clumsy and uncoordinated we really are.
I don't personally approve of waggle for attack in zelda, after TP, where after an hour of play my wrist would be sword due to
Walk ten feet
HYAH HYAH HYAH HYAH HYAH
repeat.
This is why not every game needs motion, and should have an option for classic control.
But that won't happen.
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Would be better portable.
I'd buy a set.
I won't buy them on the wiishop channel.
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Look how Square did it with Chrono Trigger and just follow that. Port the original game and add a few new dungeons and some mp battle game akin to 4 swords.
It would print Rupees!
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Or, assuming you own any DS but a DSi, you could buy the GBA rerelease of ALttP.
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@Slagathorian:
@casmith07:
You know what, I completely forgot about that even though I have a copy and beat it. Hahaha.
Well then I see no reason why they can't re-release the entire NES and Gameboy pack for the DS. It's proven awesome before so why not again?
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You don't see a reason?
The reason is simple: the Virtual Console.
Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, and A Link to the Past are already available for download on the Wii.
Besides, I've never felt that the Zelda series works really well in compilation form.
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It also seems like a decent idea to focus it on portable units since virtual console copies have to compete with PC emulators.
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I don't see why everyone was so butthurt over Twilight Princess. It was a great experience that added a lot of great new elements to the series. Examples being: the second dimension thing where the enemies rip through the sky and drop into your world, Link turning into a wolf, Midna, etc. The progression was pretty similar to Ocarina of Time, but is that honestly a bad thing? People clamor for a Zelda as good as Ocarina of Time, but when Nintendo delivers an experience similar to OoT, while still adding fresh elements and gameplay devices, everyone cries foul because it's too similar. People just don't know what the hell they actually want.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo should just turn Zelda into a 2D platformer and give Link a plunger instead of a sword. That would truly be a unique Zelda experience...
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The Wind Waker is the only Zelda game I've thoroughly enjoyed, and that's mostly due to the fact that it tried new things and took risks (and succeeded largely at said risks). I really appreciate that in a game. If I wanted to play a game "similar" (read: carbon copy) to OoT I would just play OoT.
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Wind Waker focused a lot more on an open world and gave emphasis on exploration. Exploring each island and getting them drawn on the map was a sub-game in and of itself. Side quests were plentiful, and even if the reward was the same old rupees/hearts, the game largely avoided being a collect-a-thon because the mini-dungeons and quests themselves were so much fun that the reward was really not the reason why you were doing them. Add to that the seamless overworld (which is still rather impressive to this day) and the original sailing mechanics (which are WAY better and less annoying than people give it credit for) and it's truly a game that's different in its own right and nails the execution.
Everyone seems to forget this, but the Legend of Zelda series was originally created as an open-world game with heavy emphasis on exploration (it was basically The Elder Scrolls for the NES), and The Wind Waker was enormously successful in that respect. It struck the perfect balance between guided narrative and open world, and it has so far been the only Zelda game to date do this. Twilight Princess has virtually no exploration and the mini-dungeons/side quests were of significantly less quality. Its narrative was weak and poorly made in the second half of the game and the majority of the dungeons were trite and uninspired. It forced the gameplay to be a linear affair and even failed to make THAT good.
Trust me when I say Wind Waker is enormously superior to Twilight Princess. The latter is a tired retread of an 11 year old game, while the former takes the best of both Zelda gameplay schemes and blends them into a perfect hybrid, which hadn't been done before and hasn't been done again since.
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"Trust me when I say Wind Waker is enormously superior to Twilight Princess."
Well that's an elitist statement if I've ever heard one...
I've played both from start to finish. I can formulate my own opinions, kthnxbye.
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On the OTHER hand, I do believe TP is better, just because when it comes the time to replay I usually go for TP, I've only replayed Wind Waker once, and I haven't touched OOT in years... the changes are just too big to go back.
@Jonn: Sarcasm aside, you are entitled to your opinion, and everyone else is too, and if you think WW is superior, awesome. I, for one, don't like replaying it, I dunno, maybe it's the slow beggining, maybe it's the ammount of time you spend doing nothing in the middle of the ocean...
For me Wind Waker is a lot like playing Braid, once you pass it completely, along with all the stuff, there's really no reason to go back, unless you want to show how cool it is to someone else.
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Pokemon games asside, not that a 2d, pixel based rpg cost them a ton of money to remake.
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This kind of Nintendo logic sounds cute when you first read it. But it's awfully limited thinking in the greater scheme of things and it's not consistent. If Nintendo felt this way then why remake Mario 64 on DS? Why re-release/remake Metroid Prime 1 and 2? Why remake Metroid on Gameboy Advanced?
Nintendo SHOULD remake OoT. Give 60 fps, better textures instead of the muddy shit that was all over the 64 version, better sound quality and better controls considering the 64 controller wasn't always best for adventure games. A Zelda OoT remake for Wii HD (we all know it's coming regardless of what Reggie says. Nintendo doesn't have a choice) would be mint and would probably be the equivalent of God of War collection on PS3. I'd even settle for a DS port with creative use of the touch screen. I'd buy another DS to play that.
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God of War Collection, in HD, with better textures, 60 frames per second locked, trophy support and on one blu ray disc, is NOT a simple re-release.
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dont mistake Re-release with Remakes.
god of war collection isnt a remake ... is just all the GoW in a different packages. They just put the 720p support and thropies you cant call that a remake. you comment that you are playing 60 frames per second . the human eye con only see as far as 30 frames per second.
Aonuma here is talking about remaking all the game, thats in a case, different controls, different graphics, new things. That would change all you remember about ocarina of time and nintendo doenst want that (Well at least Aonuma doesnt want that).
And dont mind me. but Ocarina had great graphics comparing to other games in its time. you cant expect that a 1998 game keeps up with graphics this gen.
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And way to use your current standards to judge a game released over a decade ago.
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"If Nintendo felt this way then why remake Mario 64 on DS? Why re-release/remake Metroid Prime 1 and 2? Why remake Metroid on Gameboy Advanced?"
Metroid Prime and Prime 2 have a control scheme that makes it impossible to go back and play the original games after experiencing the new schemes. A re-release would be a straight port. These are not straight ports. A remake? probably not, but a re-release? hellz to the no. FFVII on PSN is a re-release. Armored Core III on PSN is a re-release. You can still go back and play the original games and get the exact same experience.
Metroid Prime and PRime 2 are NOT the same games because the control schemes are totally revamped. You can't go back to the original games and get the same game play experience. It's fact.
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Assuming you're talking about the Wii HD comment... you must have missed the bit where Reggie went on record and said there is "no Wii HD" and yet there was a report released today that says that Nintendo is scaling back Wii production. This comes after they just had a strong sales surge for the Wii after the price cut. Why scale back production if new hardware isn't coming out and you're still the number one seller of consoles in the world?
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You wouldn't happen to be an Art Institute student would you?
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But c'mon, the game came out over 3 years ago; anyone who is going to play Twilight Princess already owns a Wii and has finished the game.
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EDIT: For instance, say there are 20 triforce shards you have to find. The ancient sages have scattered useful items and weapons around the landscape that you must find and use to get further in the game.
Pegasus boots allow you to double-jump to reach higher ledges. Ice arrows let you freeze lava to make platforms. Hookshot lets you grapple to things and swing across gaps. Etc, etc. Each item you obtain allows you to delve deeper into the open-ended world.
Basically make it into a Metroid game. Zelda: Other Z.
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Even the themes like ice. fire, water etc. are the same.
Besides that i WANT my Zelda to be scattered around a fantasy world.
If i want to play a Metroid like game i...uh.... play Metroid. ^^
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And WhiteMage, I have never read a half-way decent comment by you. Just thought I'd mention that.
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And althougth those area have recently been a bit TOO empty for my taste they are nothing i want to get rid of, you know.
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Why is this the first time I have heard this? O_o
I seem to recall mention of something to the effect of 'exploring the possibilities of Motion Plus', but never an outright confirmation, and also confirmation that it was used for sword control (which, yes, I realize should be obvious). In any case, that and the new game structure that doesn't revolve around field-dungeon-field have me pretty excited. E3 can't come soon enough.
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Zelda games are the type of games where they feel right at home in their current state. That's probably due in part that all the games have followed a formula. You're basically playing the same game, but with add material, mechanics, and most importantly new experiences.
I don't want time and money to be wasted on converting an old Zelda game into a modern day game. I want another story of fantasy and adventure, not the same one I've played a dozen or so times from years of experience.
Now, the new formula aspect is really interesting. I'd rather experience that than play Ocarina of Wii.
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The next Wii Zelda could, quite honestly, blow everyone the fuck away. It may even be the OoT for motion controls and for the MotionPlus. Maybe. Nintendo could certainly screw it up as well.
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It's unclear whether an OoT remake would generate more profit than a 'new' Zelda game; odds are anyone interested in playing an OoT remake is also about as interested in a new game, since the Zelda brand tends to be pretty consistent in quality.
They may also want to avoid flooding the market with Zelda titles (for instance, by making both a remake and a new one) because it would reduce the impact of a single game's big release.
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Trauma Center for the Wii, however, was very good.
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What might be the bigger concern is moving away from the dungeon - field - dungeon format, it's more of a gamble than previous Zelda's that could off-put fans of the series.
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Some things about the MotionPlus do worry me. It does have to be recalibrated every so often. While this may not nessecarily be a big problem, if it gets out of whack in a battle, the player would have to stop playing to get it back on track, totally killing the experience. Probably more importantly is whether the MotionPlus really can keep up 1-to-1 tracking throughout what would be a fast-paced action game like Zelda. I recall seeing some video that was a tech demo for the MotionPlus (linked here on Kotaku, IIRC) that showed that the MotionPlus really just showed that it could detect larger motions than the Wiimote, but only those motions. For example, the MP detected slashes at what would be 'head-level', 'torso-level' and 'feet-level', but what about in-between? If it is restricting me to those three options, that's not 1-to-1 as everyone thinks of 1-to-1, and doesn't even require motion controls. The same high-middle-low sequence has been done in fighters for decades, and they were done with buttons.
I know Nintendo could, and probably has, figured out a way to get true 1-to-1 the way everyone thinks of it. But if not, well, the game will be far less impressive.
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As if almost every Zelda game hasn't effectively been a remake with a new theme and coat of paint in the first place. Majora's Mask was the closest thing to a departure they've had, structurally.
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I loved Twilight Princess almost as much as OOT, but of course... I own it for Gamecube, and never had to deal with the sword controls.
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Anyway, my gripe with Twilight Princess wasn't so much about the story. The sword controls were so-so and shield bashes don't always work when you're trying to do multiple actions consecutively (bash, stab, bash, slash). I think Nintendo could have made the experience better if they actually invested in better parts for the Wii.
The MotionPlus isn't a world-changing improvement. It added angle detection and moment detection but the system is still severely gimped by the crap parts on the Wii console itself. At least that's how I see it. I mean, come on, when the damn thing doesn't even register your sword slashes/strikes in the kendo game on Sports Resort, you know that there's something fundamentally wrong with the system.
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Look, if Zelda is so "not broke" it doesn't need to be "fixed", then it didn't really need all those sequels either, did it?
There are characteristics that are relevant to Zelda's identity that can be expanded upon without completely giving up what the series is in fact good at. If you're not capitalizing on those opportunities at all then you're not really doing anything worthwhile. The key thing is actually being able to distinguish between the aspects of the series that are healthy and the aspects that are just tradition for tradition's sake at the expense of growth.
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To restore some faith in the motionplus's abilities you only need to take a look at the more recent Red Steel developer videos which show examples of strong swings and indeed thrusting. Another note is regarding the calibration. It rarely happens and I think Nintendo mention it constantly in WSR to cover their backs, but in fact the remote can recalibrate itself when needs be whenever it catches a glimpse of the sensor bar, and does so in WSR I believe.
Check out this video:
[www.youtube.com]
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Also, the calibration for the MP doesn't use the sensor bar. Calibration requires the player set the Wiimote (with MP) on a flat, horizontal surface for a few seconds. Why exactly, I don't know, but I'm sure it's to give the gyroscope a chance to 'catch up' or even slow down. A few seconds is a lot in a game.
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Regarding the calibration, I thought you were talking about setting your point of reference as you do at the start of every game in WSR. I see, you're talking about the initial setup calibration, well from experience I can say I've been forced to recalibrate at most twice since getting M+, it's not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things, despite the fact it is a flaw.
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Well, Sports Resort would be less intense and shorter than a Zelda game, so the calibration may come into play more often. It also may not, it may be able to recalibrate itself on the fly somehow, or, and I dare to say it, maybe Nintendo could think of a way to work the calibration into the game legitimately?
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I do agree that a good portion of the MotionPlus's programming requires excellent programming to make use of its functions but you have to remember that Nintendo used a Kendo master in its commercial/demo for the MotionPlus. I watched that video and it was the primary reason why I wanted to try out the MotionPlus.
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