Man, looking at the pictures from before, I felt the game was going further into a really stupid direction, but now this video has cemented it. As an old CnC purist (pre-EA), I miss the old serious and wellmade CnC games. Even Tiberium Sun was excellent. CnC3 was okay but with RA the series has slid into a really bad RTS direction.
From the whole Non-base idea, to the 4yr old graphics engine, the game just reeks of franchise milking. Its sad when the rest of EA are actually changing their ways and making excellent games, we have this blemish.
I dunno, maybe I'm just a hater, but this game further shatters the memories of Westwoods baby and the good times on Westwood Chat...
I too miss the old quality C&C games, why do devs feel like they need to push so far away from classic RTS mechanics and make these purely offense-oriented games? Does nobody like construction anymore?
If anything, I'd like to see more sophisticated base-building options and more gameplay styles introduced instead of this squad-based crap that actually feels more like an uber-slow watered-down Diablo than a strategic experience. I guess RTS campaign modes have been like this forever, but I always hated RTS campaigns. The fun thing about an RTS is creativity! Creative strategies and tactics are what make the genre constantly fresh and fun; this new direction everyone (except Blizzard) seems to be going on is just awful.
Also, maybe it's just me but two factions? This was maybe acceptable in 1995 but it's just so boring!
@Archaotic: Dude, I totally remember that quote at the end and thinking 'Wow, Activision's Marketing Team has seen some serious downsizing and budget cuts'.
Well, at least it seems to be kinda tongue-in-cheek now. The first game presented the characters in a way that made me think I was supposed to like them, which I found more than a little hard to do.
I was planning on playing through this with the same friend I played the first one with, but there's been a falling out...Would it be cheating to play it with a different friend? :P
Oh this has been a buy for me every since I found the joy that was the first's co-op mode. Sure it was a pretty bland game compared to other single player fare, but the co-op stuff was a blast online with a buddy.
When your friend and yourself have a few drinks the game gets about ten times better.
@Friedhamster: You know, I always wonder why people say that it's fun after you and your friends have had a few drinks in a positive light, when it comes to video games.
Let me say the same thing you did, only with a slight change in subject.
When your friend and yourself have a few drinks, the fat, ugly girl with scabies gets about ten times hotter.
See where I'm going with this? You shouldn't have to get drunk to enjoy a game.
@Revenge_of_Nekojin: Drinking doesn't always result in getting drunk. Drinking beer is an activity in itself that regardless of the effects of alcohol makes male bonding more enjoyable, whether it's moshing, watching Black Books or shooting people in the dick.
Just knowing a cold beer is within reach makes the world brighter.
And for a game like Ao2, local coop is far superior to online coop.
@Friedhamster: This is the game that my wife has been bugging me about. She LOVED the first one. I thought it was fun, but to her it was gaming bliss. Co-op sniping? Right up her alley.
@Derigor: Have you and she played Modern Warfare 2's SpecOps mode? Extremely fun. It's like Army of Two, but better, in first person, and no fist bumping. All kinds of sniping to be done in some of those missions. In this though you and your buddy need to talk it out, "I've got the guy on the left, you take the dude near the trash can."
"What about the guy over by that big window?"
"Wha... oh shit, I didn't see him. Ok, well... huh. I'll take him and we'll both go for the trash can guy, who ever hits him first hits him, no biggie."
"Ok, on three?"
"Yeah, 3, 2, 1."
pop-pop ... pop
"Yessss!!!"
@Revenge_of_Nekojin: If it only takes you a few drinks for the fat, ugly girl with scabbies to get hotter you need to learn to hold your drink or you might need to try talking to nicer, cleaner girls.
Also a few drinks usually drops inhibitions and loosens people up. Some people enjoy that feeling during social situations which a co-op game is.
@Friedhamster: Dude yes! Every Sunday morning my buddy and I would grab a 40 and play through some co-op shooter like Ao2. We didn't stop until every gun was plated in gold.
@Donkler: See, that's what I'm talking about. Some people hear 'weed' or 'beer' and they "WHOOAAA NELLY" all the way back to mom.
"These guys are... are drinking and playing games!"
Yes, yes I am. And my 'altered' gaming experiences are pretty darn incredible.
Played some Wounded Dragons last night while intoxicated. Good times.
@gpturismo: Something tells me Nekojin hasn't done too much drinking. I'd need at least a fifth of Jack to so much as sit next to a fat girl with "scabbies." What the hell kind of girls are you talking to Nekojin? Ooooh, wait... anime girls? Yeeesh!
After renting the first one and playing it only couch co-op on numerous occasions, I have to say that I am really stoked to share some couch time with my buddies in this one as well.
@skaven: I feel the same, although I'm very, very hopeful for the awesomeness that will be the motion-controlled RE5, coupled with the awesomeness that is the 12 pack.
I think it's quite clear that EA want to be focusing 2010 on their own in-house productions rather than supplying funding and aid to a developer that's already a subsidary of a rival publisher.
@GohanGVO: That'd be entirely depending on whether Valve will release another Left 4 Dead sequel so soon. After the furore that surrounded 2 I'd think that Valve wouldn't want to take any more fan pastings like they did this year. That, and I'd like to think that Valve should be focusing much of their 2010 resources towards Half-Life 2 Episode 3.
@James Henderson: While I agree with your statements, my point was in relation to how EA is trying to recapture the FPS market with games like the Medal of Honor reboot and BF: BC2.
With those games in the pipeline, would it be in EA's best interest to NOT distribute L4D3 or a theoretical Orange Box 2? Or is there, as you mentioned, room for both?
@Mike Fahey: But surely the problem with pointing out the problem with pointing out little spelling mistakes in comments when less than fifteen minutes have passed is that if the commenter has the good sense to edit their comment, your comment on their comment no longer makes sense.
@invictus13: Oooh, that's a little harsh given that it was a misunderstanding. But you can still edit your comment so that this comment and the one below it make no sense...
@invictus13: However you look like a tool for being an unwitting accomplice in the misunderstanding of my comment.
Unless its an absolutely glaring mistake in an article by someone I know whos unwilling to edit, I send an email to the author to correct mistakes n such, like Owens ballsed up Night note the other day, AJ calling the abstract art impressionist etc.
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I just took a microbiology final I'm in the mood to kick children and deanbmmv was the first thing i saw when i got on the computer.
sorry . .. I guess I didn't understand what it is you were trying to say, thought you were correcting him which is a toolbox thing to do in the comments always is.
just to clear things up I'm the tool now because i unwittingly mistook the unwitting mistake of owen about you correcting him when you were not correcting but pointing out an irony in word usage and then unwittingly called you a tool with no grounds ?
@ThursdayNext: I am Raged at all these comments about comments that no longer exist, or did they ever exist.
Wait on second thought I am happy that comments are archived by the historians of this site, so even though a spelling error was fixed, and a now irrelevant comment was made, it is history (and I have a headache from comments).
@Witzbold: Oh wow, "message the team was trying to convey." Yeah, talk about a poor job on that front of things. May as well had a PSA at the start of the game stating, "Hey, so we don't like how our military is becoming a corporate owned machine, but you play as some of those PMC guys anyways. Ok, bye now."
@Friedhamster: It's not much worse than Modern Warfare 2. "Yeah, war is bad. Terrorism is bad. Sometimes people even die! An- oh man FUCKING SWEET SNOWMOBILE CHASE GANGSTA STYLE, SHIT BRAH I GOTS TWO FUCKIN SHOTGUNS UP INS"
But anyway, the gun customization was...weird, but you have to admit the upgrades on the revolver made it look kind of awesome.
Not as awesome as an honest to god Mateba (which was a shitty revolver but at least it looked neat).
I'm just crossing my fingers that Ao2T40D (that's right) has the PP-2000 russian smg. I've yet to see it in a shooter, as airsoft or anywhere besides Vladimir Putin's hand.
I'm one of those people who cannot wait for this game. The first one was mind-blowing or super original, but i loved the upgrade system and the loose feel of the cover, as opposed to Gears' stickyness.
The best part, obviously was the co-op. Me and my friend have beaten every difficulty at least 4 times over. Every gun, all upgrades- we're out of things to do with the game! But we still play. Started locally, and now I'm stationed cross country, so Total Fistbump Destruction (We agree, it should be named this) is another way of connecting me to home.
@tornbhc007: I'm with you, man. I can't wait for this game. I'm a fan of the first one. I don't like any games that have that RTS-send-your-troops-out type of gameplay, but this was the closest thing to that that I actually enjoyed. Plus, the aircraft carrier campaign is one of my all-time favorites!
@5erge: @Gerard Delatour: The levels were pretty awkward, but I love the Aircraft Carrier too. They just kept coming in from everywhere. One I just couldn't stand was China. Too many lame back to back's with cheap, cheating rpg's.
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I have a feeling C&C5 won't be out for a while to come and when it does come back, it'll actually do things right...or at least it'd want to.
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From the whole Non-base idea, to the 4yr old graphics engine, the game just reeks of franchise milking. Its sad when the rest of EA are actually changing their ways and making excellent games, we have this blemish.
I dunno, maybe I'm just a hater, but this game further shatters the memories of Westwoods baby and the good times on Westwood Chat...
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I too miss the old quality C&C games, why do devs feel like they need to push so far away from classic RTS mechanics and make these purely offense-oriented games? Does nobody like construction anymore?
If anything, I'd like to see more sophisticated base-building options and more gameplay styles introduced instead of this squad-based crap that actually feels more like an uber-slow watered-down Diablo than a strategic experience. I guess RTS campaign modes have been like this forever, but I always hated RTS campaigns. The fun thing about an RTS is creativity! Creative strategies and tactics are what make the genre constantly fresh and fun; this new direction everyone (except Blizzard) seems to be going on is just awful.
Also, maybe it's just me but two factions? This was maybe acceptable in 1995 but it's just so boring!
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Nowadays, the game boils down to who can get the most cash and build the most tanks the fastest.
I remember the old days where you could select different AI types, and they actually were legit stratgies. Now its just rush rush rush...
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I can't wait for a comment to end up in a televised game advertisement.
IN STORES NOW: JAPANESE RPG 7
*action shots*
'Enthralling.' - Gameinformer
*combat shots*
'9.5/10' - IGN
*emotional love scenes*
'Why the fuck is nobody buying this game. Westerners have horrible taste' - Archaotic/Kotaku
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When your friend and yourself have a few drinks the game gets about ten times better.
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Let me say the same thing you did, only with a slight change in subject.
When your friend and yourself have a few drinks, the fat, ugly girl with scabies gets about ten times hotter.
See where I'm going with this? You shouldn't have to get drunk to enjoy a game.
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I never said you had to drink to enjoy this game (and you didn't say I did,) but they don't hurt!
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Just knowing a cold beer is within reach makes the world brighter.
And for a game like Ao2, local coop is far superior to online coop.
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"What about the guy over by that big window?"
"Wha... oh shit, I didn't see him. Ok, well... huh. I'll take him and we'll both go for the trash can guy, who ever hits him first hits him, no biggie."
"Ok, on three?"
"Yeah, 3, 2, 1."
pop-pop ... pop
"Yessss!!!"
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Also a few drinks usually drops inhibitions and loosens people up. Some people enjoy that feeling during social situations which a co-op game is.
Don't be such a tool.
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"These guys are... are drinking and playing games!"
Yes, yes I am. And my 'altered' gaming experiences are pretty darn incredible.
Played some Wounded Dragons last night while intoxicated. Good times.
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hey broseph check out my cool tribal ink!
Awesome bro!
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I popped RE5 in and gave up within the first hour. Since then I've beaten the game twice playing couch co-op. So much better.
Similar story with Army of Two. The game was a lot of fun with a buddy.
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I can't wait for the expansion. Just another exuse to open up a 12 pack and waste a day popping zombies in the face.
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Anyway, I think your explanation, as well as ZeniMax not wanting to have EA cut into the revenue generated by RAGE, are what explain this move.
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With those games in the pipeline, would it be in EA's best interest to NOT distribute L4D3 or a theoretical Orange Box 2? Or is there, as you mentioned, room for both?
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I think something got lost in translation.
I was referencing their attempt to use some legal weight over their acquired Fallout IP:
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etc etc
If there's a spelling mistake then we are both guilty of it :P
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Unless its an absolutely glaring mistake in an article by someone I know whos unwilling to edit, I send an email to the author to correct mistakes n such, like Owens ballsed up Night note the other day, AJ calling the abstract art impressionist etc.
ie [kotaku.com]
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I just took a microbiology final I'm in the mood to kick children and deanbmmv was the first thing i saw when i got on the computer.
sorry . .. I guess I didn't understand what it is you were trying to say, thought you were correcting him which is a toolbox thing to do in the comments always is.
just to clear things up I'm the tool now because i unwittingly mistook the unwitting mistake of owen about you correcting him when you were not correcting but pointing out an irony in word usage and then unwittingly called you a tool with no grounds ?
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Wait on second thought I am happy that comments are archived by the historians of this site, so even though a spelling error was fixed, and a now irrelevant comment was made, it is history (and I have a headache from comments).
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Since I know the story has gone to shit along with whatever message the team was trying to convey Ill just enjoy it as a game and nothing else.
Although as a firearm enthusiast the "weapon customization" makes me very very sad.
Frankenstein guns does not = cool
Still should be good for shits n giggles I suppose.
With all that being said will be looking forward to the demo!
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The only option when there is no active draft to keep up the numbers.
Someones gotta do the work.
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But anyway, the gun customization was...weird, but you have to admit the upgrades on the revolver made it look kind of awesome.
Not as awesome as an honest to god Mateba (which was a shitty revolver but at least it looked neat).
I'm just crossing my fingers that Ao2T40D (that's right) has the PP-2000 russian smg. I've yet to see it in a shooter, as airsoft or anywhere besides Vladimir Putin's hand.
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The best part, obviously was the co-op. Me and my friend have beaten every difficulty at least 4 times over. Every gun, all upgrades- we're out of things to do with the game! But we still play. Started locally, and now I'm stationed cross country, so Total Fistbump Destruction (We agree, it should be named this) is another way of connecting me to home.
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I hope that, this time around, they fixed some of the nagging problems of the original (especially the awkward level design).
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