@-MasterDex-: Game companies dont like to admit they made a crappy game and a lot of people weren't stupid enough to buy it. So they dream up some dumbass reasons why the game sold so little (sans "the game was shitty" reason).
EA saying the gamers in Europe didn't like the way the characters acted is just one broad answer that can keep every one from the dev team EA Montreal fom getting fired.
I don't think "A Military Group Of Merely Two As Opposed To The Larger Numbers One Expects Of Such An Organization", in which well dressed men-about-town stroke their chins thoughtfully and philosophize after each kill, would have had the same success.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but my point still stands.
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Am I the only one that thought that Army of Two was ridiculous and tasteless on purpose, and that was kind of a point of characterization? I mean, I totally thought those guys were assholes because they were so desensitized by their line of work it stripped away any thread of decency contained within them.
@bean: See, after playing through the game I didn't think the game was nearly as outrageous as people painted it to be.
Salem was a douchebag throughout the entire game, but not so much that he was offensive. Rios was level-headed and intelligent.
I don't think the fist bumping or frat boy attitude was any worse than Gears of War or Killzone 2. In fact, there are lines in Killzone 2 that made me cringe more than anything Salem ever said in Ao2.
@DefSheppard:
I was sort of guessing that you shouldn't trust people who can figure out that Halo and Modern Warfare is "narrative art", and "story-telling genius" - while declaring another shooter as "ridiculous and tasteless".
While I understand that third party games don't sell well on the Wii, all the EA games mentioned in this article are crap. Nobody wants a watered down, shit graphics version of a 360/PS3 game.
If EA made well developed, compelling games I think they could sell. Capcom seems to be doing well on Wii, so it can be done.
Just curious but wasn't EA Montreal one of those on the list that was downsizing? I mean this makes sense.
Also now it makes sense that most ips that they said they were cancelling were just ips for the Wii. (considering they seem to have kept the project a and x or whatever they were called from pandemic).
Still how bad was that new NFS for the wii (for anyone who's played it)? I mean I would've stated how good was it but it looked pretty bad from the videos that I saw.
@rich8606: Even Reg admitted that you had to sell a million copies to make a profit worth talking about on the Wii and that only 16 titles had sold 1 million plus sales and ten of those were ninty titles. Admittedly this was before NSMB but that hardly changes anything.
@Bleemo: I don't get why this developers keep trying. It's not that kind of console... real "gamers" whose childhood is filled with NES, SNES, N64 and GC got Wii cuz they want to play Mario, Zelda, Metroid, you know.... Nintendo family's games. But these people are in the minority.
Majority of Wii owners, people who bought a Wii as their first console since birth cuz it's the hip thing to own and dare call themselves "gamers"? They don't play Mario Galaxy, they don't own games other Wii Sports and Raving Rabbids, they play them for half an hour on parties.
@Pretty Pink Pwnie: And yet most people own SD televisions...EA are bleeding money right left and centre anyway. Anyone who refers to themselves as a 'hardcore gamer' or dismisses a group as 'casuals' is being a moron anyway. There are two types of games, good and bad. Some 'casual' games are nothing short of brilliant, likewise some 'hardcore games' should have been abandoned at the concept stage. If you really think 'casual gaming' is going anywhere you're naive, and I'd start looking at the money being pumped into facebook style games as a potential sign of just how willing people are to spend on these games. Why is seeing a company abandon a console great anyway? Are you really that stupidly attached to one machine that you can't cope with a company making games for another machine? There's enough variety out there for anyone but the most elitist of idiots. What's worse is people just seem to dismiss the idea of games for kids these days, and get personally offended by their existence. GOD FORBID that a child want's to pick up a video game. And of course everything has to be in HD, and every old game is utter rubbish due to not being in HD.
@Pretty Pink Pwnie: I think you're in the wrong place... classifying gamers casual/hardcore is SO 2006. Most of us have moved on from that dated and inaccurate division.
And any development house making less games for less platforms is NEVER good. How soon til all of those developers are out on their ass? Disturbance in the workforce anyone?
I'm not a big fan of the handheld platforms, but I would never say that just because I don't like them or play them that they have any less validity in the games marketplace.
@Gnarkiller: The few people you know who owns Wiis that sit in the corner and collect dust are not the Wii owners you will meet here. They are a small minority of the people I know, but then I tend to hang out with gamers. Trendy, latest-thing people are rarely serious gamers, and as such, shouldn't really be representative of what the average Wii user is like.
@Fluorine: I disagree with that last statement I know loads of people who own Wii's that were previously fans of Nintendo and they are not happy with the box.
I personally own one due to it being in my price range at launch and the games being a shade cheaper. But to be honest I have tried really hard to like it but it's hard when my two favourite games for the thing are old ports i.e. Resident evil 4 and archives. As fun as house of dead and umbrella chronicles are they are not classics. Then after that you're talking a couple of Nintendo games (which is irrelevant to 3rd party devs) and old games on the VC which are a blast but hardly the basis for a current console.
and to prove I am not some Nintendo hater I love the DS and loved the NES and SNES.
@Bleemo: See, that's kewl. You tried the Wii, you don't like it. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's when someone takes the attitude that since they don't like it, then the platform should just go away and die, or people shouldn't develop for it anymore that is retarded.
I wonder if companies ever consider it a downside to have their coders working with old hardware. Rather than learning to use multiple cores more efficiently and dealing with the latest GPU architectures, they're programming for something using 5-7 year old technology. That's a much larger gap to bridge and they'll have to play catch up when they receive the next generation of console SDKs compared to people who have been working with the Cell and Xenon for 6+ years.
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The OTT spazztastic feel was its biggest selling point, the whole thing was tounge in cheek.
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I'm European and I didn't give two shits about the game either way! How do you quantify and react to that, EA Montreal?
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EA saying the gamers in Europe didn't like the way the characters acted is just one broad answer that can keep every one from the dev team EA Montreal fom getting fired.
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I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but my point still stands.
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This is kinda awkward... caught with my pants in the cookie jar, as the saying goes... hohohoho... but, y'knoooow....
*backs away slowly*
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Anyhow, we don't fist bump, but we didn't take the whole thing that seriously, so we just went with it.
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What was tasteless about that?
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...maybe it was just me.
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I'm actually more worried about the sequel trying to be a deeper, more serious experience ^^;
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Salem was a douchebag throughout the entire game, but not so much that he was offensive. Rios was level-headed and intelligent.
I don't think the fist bumping or frat boy attitude was any worse than Gears of War or Killzone 2. In fact, there are lines in Killzone 2 that made me cringe more than anything Salem ever said in Ao2.
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I was sort of guessing that you shouldn't trust people who can figure out that Halo and Modern Warfare is "narrative art", and "story-telling genius" - while declaring another shooter as "ridiculous and tasteless".
But it's all right to actually know.
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If EA made well developed, compelling games I think they could sell. Capcom seems to be doing well on Wii, so it can be done.
11/25/09
Also now it makes sense that most ips that they said they were cancelling were just ips for the Wii. (considering they seem to have kept the project a and x or whatever they were called from pandemic).
Still how bad was that new NFS for the wii (for anyone who's played it)? I mean I would've stated how good was it but it looked pretty bad from the videos that I saw.
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Majority of Wii owners, people who bought a Wii as their first console since birth cuz it's the hip thing to own and dare call themselves "gamers"? They don't play Mario Galaxy, they don't own games other Wii Sports and Raving Rabbids, they play them for half an hour on parties.
11/25/09
The SD console is not suitable in this generation. It works great with casuals but not with hardcore gamers.
Wii is a gimmick and casuals love gimmicks. At least nintendo has found a way to sell hardware but not software.
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And any development house making less games for less platforms is NEVER good. How soon til all of those developers are out on their ass? Disturbance in the workforce anyone?
I'm not a big fan of the handheld platforms, but I would never say that just because I don't like them or play them that they have any less validity in the games marketplace.
@Gnarkiller: The few people you know who owns Wiis that sit in the corner and collect dust are not the Wii owners you will meet here. They are a small minority of the people I know, but then I tend to hang out with gamers. Trendy, latest-thing people are rarely serious gamers, and as such, shouldn't really be representative of what the average Wii user is like.
11/25/09
I personally own one due to it being in my price range at launch and the games being a shade cheaper. But to be honest I have tried really hard to like it but it's hard when my two favourite games for the thing are old ports i.e. Resident evil 4 and archives. As fun as house of dead and umbrella chronicles are they are not classics. Then after that you're talking a couple of Nintendo games (which is irrelevant to 3rd party devs) and old games on the VC which are a blast but hardly the basis for a current console.
and to prove I am not some Nintendo hater I love the DS and loved the NES and SNES.
11/25/09
It's when someone takes the attitude that since they don't like it, then the platform should just go away and die, or people shouldn't develop for it anymore that is retarded.
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Developers that are with the Wii since the beginning are better prepared to deal with Natal and the PS3 wand.