Frankly, I think both the 360 and PSwhatever controllers are garbage from an ergonomic standpoint. The 360 may be okay for people with tiny hands (kids, dainty women, etc.) but the one time I picked up a 360-for-PC controller it felt positively dinky in my hands. And the one time I picked up a Logitech PC controller that was based on the design of the Dualshock, I darn near shattered the thing with how fast I had to put it down. Those angled grips are so anti-ergonomic that I think my hands would have felt better if I'd simply dipped them in acid.
Say what you will about pretty much everything else in the Wii system, but the two-piece controller is definitely the way to go. Small hands, large hands, in-between hands, cthulhoid tentacles, it doesn't matter. The controller is however big and whatever shape you want it to be, based on how you choose to pose your arms while playing. Want to have a more traditional experience? Hold them near each other in front of you like a standard two-hand controller. Feel like being more casual about it? Drape one arm over the armrest, and rest the other on your leg. Maybe you're looking for new ways to challenge yourself? Wrap one arm around the back of your neck, and sit on the other one. #art
@Purple Dave: serious question:
how long have you been gaming? you don't sound like the average 12 years old kid, but indeed you complain like one.
now, on topic, I for one, am more sensitive to the pain caused by any nintendo D-Pads on my fingers, than any other kind of phisical damage.
Ergonomics are the human dimension proyected in the design of an usable object, and as far back as I can remember, controls are not only to hold, but to press buttons too.
If you take damage by holding a dualshock , then I can safely say I get damaged by using the wiimote's button, any of them . Wich is more anti-ergonomic? #art
@DLNO-001:
I own three consoles. A Wii, a black Atari 2600, and a wood-grain Atari 2600. I've suffered through all you "hardcore" gamers whinging about how the PS3 Boomerang looked ugly (don't care, looks fairly comfortable), and how the DS Phat supposedly caused hand cramps by being too large (it's actually because it's small, which gets worse with the DS Lite unless you strap it into some Nerf Armor). I've got an 8.75" handspan, and I'm telling you right now that both the 360 and PS3 controllers are utter garbage from an ergonomic standpoint.
For the record, I'm also sick of the fact that weekend handymen have cause the power tool industry to switch from pistol grip screwguns (which are great for driving screws without first drilling pilot holes) to T-grip screwguns (which are pretty much designed to just be comfortable to hold as you stand there doing nothing).
We live in a nation that has forgotten what "ergonomic" means, and since the market is driven by the consumers, it's making it more difficult for _me_ to find handheld devices that are actually designed to be comfortable rather than simply look cool. And if I was complaining like the average 12-year old, I'd be griping about how they should look cooler. #art
@Purple Dave: you just enlightened my sunday morning :D you wouldn't believe how satisfactory is reading an opinion , even if is opposed to mine (I'm not sure we're that opposed , tough) vey well structured, and not purely based on empiricism. thanks #art
The funny thing is the whole 360 pad vs Dualshock argument basically boils down to how big your hands are.
To simplify:
If you have big hands - 360
Small hands - Dualshock
And if like me you find the idea of laying sprawled on the sofa with hands either side of you then the Wiimote is for you. Though I do prefer the dualshock to the 360 as I have small palms and long fingers. #art
@Odin: I find the most comfortable way to hold them varies.
360: Grab it full-on and wrap your hands around it.
DualShock: Set it on your fingers with fairly open hands - it won't fall - really. It takes effort to drop it.
When I hold a DualShock, the heels of my hands aren't even on it. Like that, it's the most comfortable controller I've ever used. The only issue I have is if I'm playing a fighting game for a long time, the underside screw hole near the d-pad makes a hell of a hot spot on the side of my middle finger. #art
@ph15h: Seriously, when I hear ergonomic table, I think curvy. When I think of a curvy table... I remember the ones from the milkbar scenes in Clockwork Orange. Not very utilitarian. #art
@Fernando Romero: I have Japanese white one I got at anime boston 2008 before the dualshock 3's came out in America. and I must say it has a nice cheese flavor like Tomme Fleur Verte goat cheese... then Again it probably tastes like that cause I eat that cheese around it and then touch the the controller without cleaning my hands...
I'd much prefer a white or transparent one.
However Lifehacker had a post on colouring plastics which I may try on a spare Sixaxis. [lifehacker.com]
So you could go any colour you like.
@ChaoticInfinityX: I'm going to have to pink one of these up red away. I know my wife will tell me "YELLOW!? Do you think we have the green to afford this?" She'll be blue for a bit, but I'll just orange a nice dinner for her and she'll be happy.
I almost bought one of these, but when I saw it in the store it looked really cheap. "Satin?" I hate marketing crap- it's cheap, plastic made to look kind of like silver.
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Say what you will about pretty much everything else in the Wii system, but the two-piece controller is definitely the way to go. Small hands, large hands, in-between hands, cthulhoid tentacles, it doesn't matter. The controller is however big and whatever shape you want it to be, based on how you choose to pose your arms while playing. Want to have a more traditional experience? Hold them near each other in front of you like a standard two-hand controller. Feel like being more casual about it? Drape one arm over the armrest, and rest the other on your leg. Maybe you're looking for new ways to challenge yourself? Wrap one arm around the back of your neck, and sit on the other one. #art
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how long have you been gaming? you don't sound like the average 12 years old kid, but indeed you complain like one.
now, on topic, I for one, am more sensitive to the pain caused by any nintendo D-Pads on my fingers, than any other kind of phisical damage.
Ergonomics are the human dimension proyected in the design of an usable object, and as far back as I can remember, controls are not only to hold, but to press buttons too.
If you take damage by holding a dualshock , then I can safely say I get damaged by using the wiimote's button, any of them . Wich is more anti-ergonomic? #art
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I own three consoles. A Wii, a black Atari 2600, and a wood-grain Atari 2600. I've suffered through all you "hardcore" gamers whinging about how the PS3 Boomerang looked ugly (don't care, looks fairly comfortable), and how the DS Phat supposedly caused hand cramps by being too large (it's actually because it's small, which gets worse with the DS Lite unless you strap it into some Nerf Armor). I've got an 8.75" handspan, and I'm telling you right now that both the 360 and PS3 controllers are utter garbage from an ergonomic standpoint.
For the record, I'm also sick of the fact that weekend handymen have cause the power tool industry to switch from pistol grip screwguns (which are great for driving screws without first drilling pilot holes) to T-grip screwguns (which are pretty much designed to just be comfortable to hold as you stand there doing nothing).
We live in a nation that has forgotten what "ergonomic" means, and since the market is driven by the consumers, it's making it more difficult for _me_ to find handheld devices that are actually designed to be comfortable rather than simply look cool. And if I was complaining like the average 12-year old, I'd be griping about how they should look cooler. #art
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To simplify:
If you have big hands - 360
Small hands - Dualshock
And if like me you find the idea of laying sprawled on the sofa with hands either side of you then the Wiimote is for you. Though I do prefer the dualshock to the 360 as I have small palms and long fingers. #art
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360: Grab it full-on and wrap your hands around it.
DualShock: Set it on your fingers with fairly open hands - it won't fall - really. It takes effort to drop it.
When I hold a DualShock, the heels of my hands aren't even on it. Like that, it's the most comfortable controller I've ever used. The only issue I have is if I'm playing a fighting game for a long time, the underside screw hole near the d-pad makes a hell of a hot spot on the side of my middle finger. #art
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However Lifehacker had a post on colouring plastics which I may try on a spare Sixaxis.
[lifehacker.com]
So you could go any colour you like.
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Don't much like the colours though!
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Looks like a PS3 controller.