The problem I see here is that, assuming anyone plays the game anyways, it will make the morons who think they can drive after a couple of cold ones think they can somehow "practice away" the difference between drunk and sober on a video game. Yes, some people are that stupid.
@DeadlyWhispers: haha, hey now. calgary is not some obscure, isolated city. it's quite a metropolitan area with our impressive skyscrapers and towers. ;)
This is funny because my friend in the Navy says they are given extra days off if they can have 100 days without an Alcohol related incident. They have never gotten to that 100th day.
@MaximusDM: There's a difference, and Congress will prove it.
In GTA IV they forced you to drive drunk for points or "coins" if you will, in gamer lingo, while running down children who were having fully nude lesbian alien sex.
This game the army wants to buy has absolutely no lesbian sex. None whatsoever. So it's OK.
And you aren't rewarded for it. Also you are highly likely to get chased by the police making your trip more of a hassle than anything. You have the option to get drunk. And from that point you have the option drive or to take a cab to any location.
There are no children in any GTA IV. Which is a shame.
Coming from a soldier, this is retarded. They need to stop educating and start punishing. Put these fuckers out of the Army after one DUI. Instead I see NCOs and officers pulling all kinds of strings to keep these fuckers out of as much trouble as possible, because 'he/she is a good soldier at work'.
What the fuck is that shit? If they were a good soldier, they wouldn't be out getting DUI.
Here's a radical thought that I'm sure the Department of The Army probably keeps failing to think about:
Instead of putting all this money on what I am sure will be a laughable concept to all/most returning Veterans, why not put the money into something of better use:
Post Tramatic Stress Disorder
"!"
PTSD is on the rise, and drinking is a residual of "self medication". Add to the fact that drug abuse is also on the rise, and you realize a little too late that YOU DON'T HAVE A VIDEO GAME FOR THAT!
Granted, I would probaly play that game. The trippy colors might make a good screensaver or something...
I wish I could meet the Colonel that came up with this idea... Only a person "reaching for a star" would come up with this BULL-SHEEEAT!
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This is fantastic news. I no longer need to worry about getting a DWI because videogames will now fill my insatiable appitite to drive drunk. We've really come full cirlce.
@Szin: They've done pretty much everything else so I don't see what's stopping them. Just need to work out how to fit "Wii" into the title, hmm. That's a tough one!
The current "brass", in their infinite wisdom, believes that this game is going to curtail "drunk driving" for returning Veterans, coming home from deployment?
They couldn't even manage drinkig problems on a "peacetime" scale!
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@Soldier_CLE proclaims Steve Wiebe The REAL King of Kong!!!.: I have to agree with you. I'm not even a drinker (something that gets me endless grief), and I already have to sit through 2-3 safety briefings a week, more if it's a holiday weekend coming up, and now this?
PEOPLE WILL DRIVE DRUNK IN THE ARMY. No amount of punishment, education, or safety classes will change that. As much as they'd like to tell you otherwise, when you are in the Army, you are just a regular person who happens to be in the Army. SHOULD you behave yourself 'as befits a member of the US Armed Forces'? Of course. Does anyone? Not unless it's an official function.
@Revenge_of_Nekojin: I used to be in the US Army so I feel this qualifies me to speak on this matter (and exempts me of any spelling errors). It's not that soldiers booze it up more than the rest of the population (Most of us are / were in our early 20s when we serve. What 20 year old doesn't get drunk?). It is that there are very few places to get wasted on base and the public transit around most military bases is non existant. Add public transit and take away the problem. Another way for the brass to fight the problem of drunk driving would be to install bars, good bars, within walking distance of barracks (allow civilian women to acess said bars). This would probbably cost a bit more than buying rights to a videogame but at least it would effectively solve the dying drunk problem. An alternative would be to establish an official "soldier cab" fund and allow each soldier to use said fund to get back and forth from barracks to bar without having to get behind a wheel.
There you go. Three workable solutions to the drunk driving problem and non of them involve wasting taxpayer money on fluff projects that will help / change nothing.
@Twenty47Mayhem: Within reason, civilian women are allowed into the MWR establishments, that include enlisted,NCO/PO, officer and combined clubs (where applicable).
However, there are those who are actually turned off to the concept. Only speaking for myself, I purposely avoided those clubs, since I didn't want to always think of work. By that, I mean that there were times where I wanted to get away from the barracks, post, etc. Going "on the economy" were the best solution for me, since I were able to get away with a car, train (in Europe, at least.), take a "hop", etc.
The "Service Cab" idea makes the most sense, as long as it isn't abused. The only problem that I potentially see of it is that European cabs cost more than American cabs, and I am sure that the issue would be the same within Asia, as well. I'd implement a "ration card" system for that, and allow cabs to be tipped, as well.
I do miss the "old transit" though... They used to be free when I were a kid. That were back when my dad were an ITS instructor, though...@Revenge_of_Nekojin: Agreed, though we used to get around it all with "Round-robin Double D", and pay that person with "extra petrol money", and feed him Cokes, Oranginas and Red Bulls.
Admittingly though, everyone serving had seen people driving drunk on/off base in all ranks. Hell, I've seen people passed out in ditches in front of the barracks! (Know it or not, there are a few posts that still have this setup outside of the United States.)
The truth is that with some MOSes/Rates/AFSCs that are more stressful than others, and with various pressure coming back into the minds of several different types of returning troops, the worst thing that I can imagine would be a reactive treatment force, and rather implement the proper and more adequated counseling that would be needed, not for substance abuse, but the stressors that conflict and deployment brings.
To me, this "solution" is alot like putting a bandaid on a perfectly good knee, when the real problem is a GSW (Gunshot Wound) to the left Latissimus dorsi. It completely avoids the real issues in a way to where it seems colluded to avoid the real problem: The stress and trauma inflicted with the long durations and constant deployments without an adequate amount of time to debrief for service personnel involved in "down range conflict". Those "down range" simply have more stressors than those "in the rear", since there are far more variables that a person thinks about when they sit in the bush.
Or in this case, "a cold rock" (Afghanistan), and "a hard place" (The Sunni Triangle - Iraq).
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Everyone in my company knows that I don't care to drink. I've only been wasted three times. I'm the Training Room, so everyone knows my face. And yet people won't call me if they need a ride back. I'm just waiting to get referred somewhere because I keep threatening, "I might not be able to make this company smarter, but I can certainly eliminate the dumber ones."
@Twenty47Mayhem: I were "combat arms" myself. Without making myself look like something that I would rather not, I'll just say that my last MOS were in the early 10s, with a "delta" at the end. I can also tell you that I weren't a "leg", either; though I have nothing against those who are (Really, that's a pretty elitest way of thinking...) I had my start in the 90s.
@Grisaille: Ya know, if you said that acronym in the UK, they'd thought you meant "wives and girlfriends", or even a good shag or two lol! Take a hop to RAF Middenhall, and you'll get what I mean...
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@BobHand: I've learned a long time ago that people will be people, no matter where you go. With the various stressors that one accrues, along with whatever their social (non-)conformities are/were, no amount of training gets the residuals completely out.
Add to the fact that our military ceremonies of different sorts ("Dining Out", for example...), and you have the notorius "grogs" that (most) everyone drinks out of.
It could be worse though... Your whole company could be "dining out" with few bottles of Glenlivet™, and toasting to everything under the colors!
Some people might like the Glenlivet™ though... It's top shelf!
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In GTA IV they forced you to drive drunk for points or "coins" if you will, in gamer lingo, while running down children who were having fully nude lesbian alien sex.
This game the army wants to buy has absolutely no lesbian sex. None whatsoever. So it's OK.
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You aren't forced to drive drunk in GTA IV.
And you aren't rewarded for it. Also you are highly likely to get chased by the police making your trip more of a hassle than anything. You have the option to get drunk. And from that point you have the option drive or to take a cab to any location.
There are no children in any GTA IV. Which is a shame.
I'm assuming that this is totally sarcastic.
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The "drunk driving for points" thing was actually said at some point by some idiot, and MADD was accusing GTA IV for glorifying drunk driving.
The nude lesbian sex is just a reference to Fox news' piece on Mass Effect.
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What the fuck is that shit? If they were a good soldier, they wouldn't be out getting DUI.
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Instead of putting all this money on what I am sure will be a laughable concept to all/most returning Veterans, why not put the money into something of better use:
Post Tramatic Stress Disorder
"!"
PTSD is on the rise, and drinking is a residual of "self medication". Add to the fact that drug abuse is also on the rise, and you realize a little too late that YOU DON'T HAVE A VIDEO GAME FOR THAT!
Granted, I would probaly play that game. The trippy colors might make a good screensaver or something...
I wish I could meet the Colonel that came up with this idea... Only a person "reaching for a star" would come up with this BULL-SHEEEAT!
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Get this man a 3-piece drum set!
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The current "brass", in their infinite wisdom, believes that this game is going to curtail "drunk driving" for returning Veterans, coming home from deployment?
They couldn't even manage drinkig problems on a "peacetime" scale!
NEXT!
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PEOPLE WILL DRIVE DRUNK IN THE ARMY. No amount of punishment, education, or safety classes will change that. As much as they'd like to tell you otherwise, when you are in the Army, you are just a regular person who happens to be in the Army. SHOULD you behave yourself 'as befits a member of the US Armed Forces'? Of course. Does anyone? Not unless it's an official function.
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There you go. Three workable solutions to the drunk driving problem and non of them involve wasting taxpayer money on fluff projects that will help / change nothing.
01/13/09
However, there are those who are actually turned off to the concept. Only speaking for myself, I purposely avoided those clubs, since I didn't want to always think of work. By that, I mean that there were times where I wanted to get away from the barracks, post, etc. Going "on the economy" were the best solution for me, since I were able to get away with a car, train (in Europe, at least.), take a "hop", etc.
The "Service Cab" idea makes the most sense, as long as it isn't abused. The only problem that I potentially see of it is that European cabs cost more than American cabs, and I am sure that the issue would be the same within Asia, as well. I'd implement a "ration card" system for that, and allow cabs to be tipped, as well.
I do miss the "old transit" though... They used to be free when I were a kid. That were back when my dad were an ITS instructor, though...@Revenge_of_Nekojin: Agreed, though we used to get around it all with "Round-robin Double D", and pay that person with "extra petrol money", and feed him Cokes, Oranginas and Red Bulls.
Admittingly though, everyone serving had seen people driving drunk on/off base in all ranks. Hell, I've seen people passed out in ditches in front of the barracks! (Know it or not, there are a few posts that still have this setup outside of the United States.)
The truth is that with some MOSes/Rates/AFSCs that are more stressful than others, and with various pressure coming back into the minds of several different types of returning troops, the worst thing that I can imagine would be a reactive treatment force, and rather implement the proper and more adequated counseling that would be needed, not for substance abuse, but the stressors that conflict and deployment brings.
To me, this "solution" is alot like putting a bandaid on a perfectly good knee, when the real problem is a GSW (Gunshot Wound) to the left Latissimus dorsi. It completely avoids the real issues in a way to where it seems colluded to avoid the real problem: The stress and trauma inflicted with the long durations and constant deployments without an adequate amount of time to debrief for service personnel involved in "down range conflict". Those "down range" simply have more stressors than those "in the rear", since there are far more variables that a person thinks about when they sit in the bush.
Or in this case, "a cold rock" (Afghanistan), and "a hard place" (The Sunni Triangle - Iraq).
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Everyone in my company knows that I don't care to drink. I've only been wasted three times. I'm the Training Room, so everyone knows my face. And yet people won't call me if they need a ride back. I'm just waiting to get referred somewhere because I keep threatening, "I might not be able to make this company smarter, but I can certainly eliminate the dumber ones."
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@Grisaille: Ya know, if you said that acronym in the UK, they'd thought you meant "wives and girlfriends", or even a good shag or two lol! Take a hop to RAF Middenhall, and you'll get what I mean...
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Add to the fact that our military ceremonies of different sorts ("Dining Out", for example...), and you have the notorius "grogs" that (most) everyone drinks out of.
It could be worse though... Your whole company could be "dining out" with few bottles of Glenlivet™, and toasting to everything under the colors!
Some people might like the Glenlivet™ though... It's top shelf!