@Curse_Lily: Nice track. I guess it would work well with other racing games, too. Burnout Paradise for instance. That game has such an awful default soundtrack. I mean, Avril Lavigne? Really, are you serious?
I thought developers job was to make better versions of their games - not worse. Intrusive advertisement will ALWAYS create bad relations with consumers. Especially if they already payed for a product WITHOUT advertisement.
@MattLive: I don't know, it didn't bother me in Burnout Paradise. Of course, that was an everyday setting, so having advertising only added to the realism. I haven't played the Wipeout Fury expansion pack yet, but I can imagine any advertising that isn't for the usual in-game companies (Assegai, Harimau etc.) will clash horribly with the game's super sleek design.
@Showmeyomoves!: I don't have the expansion pack and I had ads. After I downloaded the update and experienced the ads made me think twice on getting the expansion. At first I thought it was a new loading screen that had animation and I realized, hey it's loading slower then usual and at the end of the loading animation I realized it was a ad.
Well done Sony, you discouraged me from buying the expansion early. If your going to trap someone, do it after they buy the expansion not before hand.
I can't believe that anyone would think it's okay to get advertising in a game people have already paid for. This is why this garbage keeps getting pushed on us, because there are some people with no principles.
And without question that obnoxious ad extends load time by several seconds. And what the hell gamer is thinking of insurance that they even thought it was somehow appropriate?
@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): I believe, from actually bothering to RTFA, that the problem is the load time, moreso than the fact that there are ads.
@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Its more of the fact that its forced upon the consumers who were loyal to Wipeout. And unless these fans get to see some of that money in free expansions or something, then its truly bitch slapping them, using them for money (against their will) even though they already paid.
Its sad when consumers submit to companies' wills...
@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): The loading is little longer, yes we could make sandwiches or take a bathroom break but it is too short to efficiently to use it, unlike game installs.
It's like watching streaming videos with ads every 7mins, annoying to sit through but yet not long enough to do anything else.
Here is what bothers me about this situation. TELL ME IN ADVANCE IF I AM BUYING A GAME THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY MARKETING THAT IS NOT SUBTLE AND SEAMLESS! I don't mind if a game producer has to advertise to offset the cost of his game to make it profitable. But if you can't slide it by the consumer in some type of subtle fashion then you need to let the consumer know that you are putting it in there. Honesty is a powerful thing. The $10 Fury add on is an awsome deal even with the adds but to find the adds after the fact is annoying. Developers need to show more respect to their consumers and step up the communications of their business practices a notch.
I gotta say no to this nonsense. It's one thing to display an ad in an-ingame billboard, or as a "Coca Cola Players of the Game" situation where it's in context, but State Farm has no place in Wipeout HD.
Especially when it EXTENDS the load time of a game that someone has paid for. That's no update, that's a downgrade and it also infringes on the integrity of the gameplay experience by not making sense in the context of the game and by extending load times.
I would almost say that it ruins the work that the development team did to ensure load times that are very short. If I were the dev team, I'd be rather upset about this.
@superberg: Well, if we didn't blame things on others, where would we be. It's nice to see someone finally acknowledging that they're not the well from which all knowledge flows... even if it's completely wrong... it was a nice attempt and it should be commended.
@MurderDeathKill: At what point does it really matter. I ask that rhetorically... I'm sure there's a clear point when in-game ads become offensive but are we going to use the slippery slop philosophy for this and blow up at something s benign or are we going to use someone like the ECA to make sure publishers understand where these boundaries lay from a consumer perspective?
@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): At what point does it matter? The moment you pay for a game and it's laden with ads. It's frustrating enough that I have to sit through five minutes of logos every time I start playing, now I get to wait for slow ad servers that take way too long to transfer 512 kb jpegs.
Billboards don't need to be loaded with ads. They are a great opportunity for artists and designers to design lookalikes and add a dash of humor. I know its a chance for companies to make more money, but I don't care about their stock prices. I care about the game I am playing.
Do you not care that people are using you to make money, and aren't giving you anything in return? I'm not a cow, I don't appreciate being milked like one.
What really gets me about this whole thing, is that this is a paid game. All the tracks are redone from previous wipeout games too. Even thought the game is still good, to charge 15 bucks and force people to watch ads during the loading screen is a complete rip off.
It is a shame that the game is ruined by these crappy ads because it really is a fun game. It was "advertaising" for the numerous fake brands in the game that would actually complement the wipeout experience.
But insurance commercials from a crappy insurance company, the only thing I can think of that would be worse would be those creepy palm pre commercials. Which I wouldn't be surprised if those were next.
Oddly enough, I just had a Wiepout urge and discovered this dismaying update yesterday. Are the ads that bad? No, not really? Is this UTTER AND COMPLETE BS? YES.
This is not an update, this is a downgrade. They are adding NEGATIVE features to the game, after the fact, when the users are powerless to resist or attain any sort of recompense. This is like contract fraud, if your phone company suddenly said "by the way, you now need to see an ad before every phone call you make" that's a material change of service, you can dump/sue their asses and vote with your wallet. Not an option here, all I can do is never play the game again...except they already have my money and it only hurts myself.
I can say I'll never buy a wipeout game again, but I'm sure they don't care, they already have my money. And the ads aren't THAT bad, what worries me is that it's a horrible precedent to set. Aside from patch bugs, I can't think of another example where a developer INTENTIONALLY damaged the user experience for a blatant profit grab. What's next? I can't play multiiplayer unless I install spyware? Way to alienate your captive audience, guys.
After paying the full asking price for both the game and the Fury pack, this move serves only as a slap to the face for early adopters who supported this previously untarnished game.
In-game advertising boils the blood second to none, and shamelessly an outfit we have never heard of before disrespectfully forces their way in, wielding State Farm garbage, and does so with a straight faced used car salesman press release shtick?
This level of advertising would be understandable if the price of the download was $0.00, but all in total a price of $30 was paid in order to secure an ad free gaming experience that was fine without such an unnecessary intrusion.
Double Fusion has done nothing but brashly urinate on one of the standout games on the PS3, while trumpeting to the PS3 community that we should consider ourselves lucky for the unwelcome opportunity.
@Curse_Lily: I most certainly am and will continue to do so. If it broke the game and made it unplayable, that would be one thing, but a slightly longer load time between races? Thats really low on the list of things that should be complained about when it comes to gaming in my opinion, but to each his own.
While Wipeout XL/2097 had Red Bull on its load screens, that was ok and unintrusive.
...if ANY game wants to stream video commercials to me, it had better either be free, or pay me for the wasted bandwidth. Actually no, it wastes time too, so it had better just be free. Considering I've already paid for WoHD, if this starts affecting me, I'm gonna be pissed... as it stands, I refused the last update because I wanted to play instead of watching a download status bar at the time...
@fuchikoma: I was going to buy this when it was discounted, but I'm glad I didn't take the bait. I can see why they discounted it...so they can suck in more people to advertise to. haha
But seriously, this sucks. Do the customers get any benefits from this or do they just pocket the money? If they're going to be advertising, they should be providing free expansions...
But whatever, don't own it. Just think this is a pretty lame move if the customers don't see any of this money generated.
(If I'm uninformed, please enlighten me. I'm only going by what I read in the article)
@Starshock: The advertisement does take up the main portion of the loading screen, but honestly, loading times on Wipeout HD are not that long, so it really doesn't bother me to sit there and wait for the loading to take a couple seconds longer. I think the ad is about 15 seconds or so and the loading usually finishes at the same time.
As for seeing free expansions, they have give some free updates in the past adding rankings and statistics tracking to the game for online play and statistics for offline play as well. Also the fact that the game is only $20 ($15 during the former discount) and seriously has more content than some $60 dollar retail games should count for something?
The advertising is slightly annoying, but remember, if you don't succumb to the advertising you are succeeding in doing the opposite of what they want you to do. :)
@Eviltim: Hmmmm. Comparing to what the loading screen used to look like, it looks really bad to me. And after looking at that youtube video, it looks brutally extended. But thats yet to be confirmed, I guess.
Eeeeh, those updates wouldn't warrant this advertising. It's really intrusive. They say it fits the look of Wipeout, but from what I've seen it really doesn't.
And why should someone who bought the game be forced to watch advertisements when they weren't warned beforehand? (ie. the people who bought it before now) I don't play (or pay for) games to watch advertisements. If I paid for something, I shouldn't have to be subjected to such things. Just because the game was $20 and had some good content, doesn't mean its right. Shouldn't a game have good content without strings attached? And besides, aren't all the tracks just HD versions of previous tracks?
Well, I won't be succumbing to their advertising, because I won't be buying the game now. :P
I stopped playing the game once I realized it was virtually impossible. The only people I can imagine still playing are hardcore Wipeout fans and I couldn't imagine the wrath of such a dedicated fanbase.
At least its not the "what's in your wallet" commercials. That would make me go Dexter on the Liverpool studio.
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But my favorite song to play during a game of Wipeout is "Corneria" (see above).
If anyone else has any cool songs they listen to during WOHD, I'd love to hear them.
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But there's one song in particular that i listen to when i want to get psyched is called "Dogfight" by m.o.v.e ^_^
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Well done Sony, you discouraged me from buying the expansion early. If your going to trap someone, do it after they buy the expansion not before hand.
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And without question that obnoxious ad extends load time by several seconds. And what the hell gamer is thinking of insurance that they even thought it was somehow appropriate?
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Yes... yes... it's slower. I hope that will make you accept me now :(
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Seriously, you went and got second jobs to sit through this and you can't even stomach a little load time. Seems pretty disingenuous to me >_>
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Its sad when consumers submit to companies' wills...
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It's like watching streaming videos with ads every 7mins, annoying to sit through but yet not long enough to do anything else.
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Especially when it EXTENDS the load time of a game that someone has paid for. That's no update, that's a downgrade and it also infringes on the integrity of the gameplay experience by not making sense in the context of the game and by extending load times.
I would almost say that it ruins the work that the development team did to ensure load times that are very short. If I were the dev team, I'd be rather upset about this.
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Yay! Sony is learning from the masters: Microsoft and the Xbox!
I haven't been this excited since I last replayed Darkened Skye!
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Really? You never seen a dynamic billboard in a 360 game?
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Good Job! :)
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Billboards don't need to be loaded with ads. They are a great opportunity for artists and designers to design lookalikes and add a dash of humor. I know its a chance for companies to make more money, but I don't care about their stock prices. I care about the game I am playing.
Do you not care that people are using you to make money, and aren't giving you anything in return? I'm not a cow, I don't appreciate being milked like one.
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It is a shame that the game is ruined by these crappy ads because it really is a fun game. It was "advertaising" for the numerous fake brands in the game that would actually complement the wipeout experience.
But insurance commercials from a crappy insurance company, the only thing I can think of that would be worse would be those creepy palm pre commercials. Which I wouldn't be surprised if those were next.
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This is not an update, this is a downgrade. They are adding NEGATIVE features to the game, after the fact, when the users are powerless to resist or attain any sort of recompense. This is like contract fraud, if your phone company suddenly said "by the way, you now need to see an ad before every phone call you make" that's a material change of service, you can dump/sue their asses and vote with your wallet. Not an option here, all I can do is never play the game again...except they already have my money and it only hurts myself.
I can say I'll never buy a wipeout game again, but I'm sure they don't care, they already have my money. And the ads aren't THAT bad, what worries me is that it's a horrible precedent to set. Aside from patch bugs, I can't think of another example where a developer INTENTIONALLY damaged the user experience for a blatant profit grab. What's next? I can't play multiiplayer unless I install spyware? Way to alienate your captive audience, guys.
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In-game advertising boils the blood second to none, and shamelessly an outfit we have never heard of before disrespectfully forces their way in, wielding State Farm garbage, and does so with a straight faced used car salesman press release shtick?
This level of advertising would be understandable if the price of the download was $0.00, but all in total a price of $30 was paid in order to secure an ad free gaming experience that was fine without such an unnecessary intrusion.
Double Fusion has done nothing but brashly urinate on one of the standout games on the PS3, while trumpeting to the PS3 community that we should consider ourselves lucky for the unwelcome opportunity.
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...if ANY game wants to stream video commercials to me, it had better either be free, or pay me for the wasted bandwidth. Actually no, it wastes time too, so it had better just be free. Considering I've already paid for WoHD, if this starts affecting me, I'm gonna be pissed... as it stands, I refused the last update because I wanted to play instead of watching a download status bar at the time...
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But seriously, this sucks. Do the customers get any benefits from this or do they just pocket the money? If they're going to be advertising, they should be providing free expansions...
But whatever, don't own it. Just think this is a pretty lame move if the customers don't see any of this money generated.
(If I'm uninformed, please enlighten me. I'm only going by what I read in the article)
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As for seeing free expansions, they have give some free updates in the past adding rankings and statistics tracking to the game for online play and statistics for offline play as well. Also the fact that the game is only $20 ($15 during the former discount) and seriously has more content than some $60 dollar retail games should count for something?
The advertising is slightly annoying, but remember, if you don't succumb to the advertising you are succeeding in doing the opposite of what they want you to do. :)
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Eeeeh, those updates wouldn't warrant this advertising. It's really intrusive. They say it fits the look of Wipeout, but from what I've seen it really doesn't.
And why should someone who bought the game be forced to watch advertisements when they weren't warned beforehand? (ie. the people who bought it before now) I don't play (or pay for) games to watch advertisements. If I paid for something, I shouldn't have to be subjected to such things. Just because the game was $20 and had some good content, doesn't mean its right. Shouldn't a game have good content without strings attached? And besides, aren't all the tracks just HD versions of previous tracks?
Well, I won't be succumbing to their advertising, because I won't be buying the game now. :P
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At least its not the "what's in your wallet" commercials. That would make me go Dexter on the Liverpool studio.
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