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El-Suave
07/21/09

In reply to PS3 Video Service Debuts U2 Video YouTube Already Debuted
The official Youtube video is regionlocked though - don't know if people from the UK can watch, but I can't from Germany.

Unfortunately we won't be able to access it on VidZone either, because it's a UK exclusive.

But the VidZone service itself is pretty nice, let's hope the countries in Europe who currently don't get it at all will be able to soon.
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CrashMD
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor.

I'm glad I waited to pick up Disgaea. Now I can go pick up a used copy for cheap and get down to business!
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Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
NIS gets the thumbs down. As if the milking for content wasn't enough?
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Lezard
07/09/09

@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: So offering (rather inexpensive) DLC that's completely optional to the experience is "milking" now?

I swear, that has to be the most overused verb on video game forums. There was a day when it referred specifically to the extraction of unprocessed dairy product from the teats of female bovines.

But yeah, the fact that the patch will render all prior save data useless is a pain. I'm lucky I hadn't played too far into Disgaea 3 before setting it aside. At least I know I won't lose too much progress after I download the patch.
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anduin1
07/09/09

@Lezard:
DLC is a virus that the stupid gamer supports
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Lezard
07/09/09

@anduin1: So you're calling how many people stupid, now?

DLC, when done right, can serve to enhance a game without feeling like you're being cheated. Burnout Paradise offered a metric ton of DLC for free before they started charging for the more recent updates. The Fallout 3 expansions are not insignificant, either.

While the DLC for Disgaea 3 is not nearly as robust as what either of the above games offer, they're option, inexpensive items that are not necessary and yet do appeal to certain people. Why that qualifies those people (including me, apparently) as idiots is up to you to explain.
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N●Gage Croal is grabbin' peels
07/10/09

@Lezard:
Unfortunately, more often than not, DLC is NOT done right, and people still support it.

Numbers mean nothing. A lot of people watch reality shows, and that is the single worst category of television show, ever.
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Thorax
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
That's an amazingly retarded way to get trophies into the game. Seriously, why would anyone even bother?
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Pombar
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
It doesn't matter what colour type they put the warning in the press release - this kind of thing should be publicised as part of the patch download also.
Not everyone who plays this game is going to keep up with gaming news, especially since this particular game's already out and all.
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RockyRan
07/09/09

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I don't understand. Why didn't they just make it impossible for any trophies to be earned while playing on an old save file? Unless the patch changes coding that sees the save files as unreadable, but in all my years of gaming I have never seen a patch do that.
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Witzbold
07/09/09

@RockyRan: You must not have played Fallout on the PC then. Forgot which one the patch fucks all old save files.
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Kitsune Sniper
07/09/09

@RockyRan: I have. This is pretty common in PC games.
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WhatTheFrag
07/09/09

@Witzbold: weren't there a few games like that, I'm not entirely sure but Sacrifice and IWD had it as well I think. I remember installing a few patches for some PC games and being messed up with save files. Thought we were over with that period of time though.
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royaljester
07/09/09

@RockyRan: As a programmer it's obvious why it broke the save file, because they changed the save format to accommodate trophies. The number of games doing this are few not because it's easy to break save files (it's trivial), but because it's a super duper dumb move. Clearly this was an executive decision.

And yes, it's perfectly possible to add trophies without breaking the save file. It just takes more effort and planning. The easiest route is definitely to break the save file, and it's a question that most devs answer no to.
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-MasterDex-
07/09/09

@WhatTheFrag: It's all starting all over again, except this time it's the consoles. It might be unheard of console-wise but I've seen this with a lot of PC games.
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Brandinat0r
07/09/09

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A list of all the trophies available:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/100/1002075p1.html
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(DEAD) Goldwings - Remembered for his bravery and heroism... xD
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
It's great trophies are implemented, but anyone else who has invested a lot of time might not want this. Crap I can imagine the frustration if you update the patch without knowing all of this.
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Curse lily
07/09/09

@(Zombie) Goldwings: It happen to me when i updated from patch 2.0 to 2.10 by mistake and frustration is not the word i would use for it >_<
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Saint Anima
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
Hmm, was planning on buying this game sooner or later, thankfully I haven't started a game on it yet. Sucks for the players with all those hours poured in.
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Pitchswitch
07/09/09

@Saint Anima: This game is on my growing list of games to get once I finally purchase my PS3 this coming Christmas. Works out for me d^.^b
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Komrade Kayce
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
This is like the LAST sort of game in the world that needs its save data removed.

Seriously. Anyone who has played the game knows what I'm talking about. You can easily dump a few hundred hours into one save game and still not be finished.

Like losing your Pokemon save, almost.
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Black Stig Lives!
07/09/09

@Komrade Kayce - Hero of Soviet Kotaku: I couldn't agree more. NISA dropped the ball here. Japan got the patch with saves intact, and if it was a SCEA regulation preventing it, they should've mentioned that in the press release to deflect some of the blame.

A lot of people have been holding out on patching the game (myself included) due to the various nerfs and are now forced to update before the trophy patch if they ever want to access to all the DLC without having to restart.

It's a mixed blessing for trophy hunters as well and honestly, they're in for a looooooong ride. No thanks.
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ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
I am glad I haven't gotten that far into the game.
But from what I remember I never had a choice when loading a game that has an update to skip it. But I never really looked for that feature so maybe I just missed it.

Gonna be annoying for those who wish to keep their saves, though
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Curse lily
07/09/09

@ShadowOdin isn't american: OH! IS MORE THAN ANNOYING I WILL LOSE MY 427 HOURS OF PLAY TIME AND NOW I HAVE TO GET THOSE DAMN TICKETS FOR LoC ALL OVER AGAIN AS WELL ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
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ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness
07/09/09

@Curse_Lily: *pats* There there, sweety, relax and just remove the internet-connection whenever you play and the big bad trophy-monster won't come.
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Curse lily
07/09/09

@ShadowOdin isn't american: I.i..i *sob* i try that before but..but*sob* (ToT)
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ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness
07/09/09

@Curse_Lily: Then how about you and I raise an army and go rampaging?
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Tom Clancy's Samuraidino
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
Ah goody,im glad I never started the game yet.I was about to when I bought it but then a few days later that Japanese patch arrived and I decided to hold off for a few weeks till it arrived....Had actually forgot that I had the game untill the Western version of the patch was announced
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Archaotic
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
I guess I'm glad I only got two or three chapters in. Most of these trophies are just absurd though; I doubt I'd be able to get almost any of 'em.
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Witzbold
07/09/09

In reply to Disgaea 3 Getting Trophies In Exchange For Save Data
You know this is one of the few times where I wonder why the devs even bothered with trophy support at this stage with the game. Since its been out so long you figure lots of people are quite far into the game. Now then telling such folks if you want trophies we kill your saves just does not seem good for business.
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KillerBee
07/09/09

@Witzbold: Especially if you ruins your 100+ hours save game in the process.
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Derek Rumpler
07/09/09

@Witzbold: Yeah, you have to wonder what they were smoking when they thought that one up.

Are there technical reasons for this, though? What could they possibly add to the game that would kill old saves? Has any other game done it?
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Ecks
07/09/09

@Derek Rumpler: I think it's so people can't cheat to get the trophies - saves might be transferrable, so someone could just download a save and bam, instant trophies.

Need for Speed Undercover gave retroactive trophies, but the save is flagged "Copying Prohibited", so people can't cheat. But you also can't back up your save.
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Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more)
07/09/09

@Witzbold: I haven't picked it up yet myself (not sure why, I love Disgaea), and this is nice for me, but it does seem like a huge kick in the nuts to their fanbase.
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raffleking
07/09/09

@Derek Rumpler: This is pure conjecture and not based on any amount of actual programming knowledge, but I think something in the way the game is originally programmed as something to do with retroactive trophies/achievements. I had what I like to refer to as The Great Achievement Catastrophe a few years ago...basically about 2000 gamerpoints got erased cause I'm an idiot at had my gamertag on someone else's console. Anyways, I loaded up my save in Assassin's Creed and immediately unlocked all my old achievements. Mass Effect on the other hand, did not fare too well...loaded up a save, and didn't unlock anything. Basically had to play that game another four times to get everything back, which I guess I didn't mind. As far as PS3 goes, I know Bad Company had retroactive trophies, but that's the only game I know about. Still not sure why this is the case.
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Wintrale
07/09/09

@Witzbold: This is Nippon Ichi we're talkin' about. I guess they believe half the fun is starting from scratch. :P
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Witzbold
07/09/09

@Derek Rumpler: A lot of times with PC games this occurs. One of the more famous examples is the fallout series. That was quite the damned if you do, damned if you dont situation.

On consoles dont think so, mainly because there never really was a system like trophies before.
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Revenge_of_Nekojin
07/09/09

@Witzbold: There are always the lucky people like me who haven't rolled around into their yearly Disgaea mode yet, or who haven't bought the game, I guess.
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LllusionX Mailed the Fission
01/31/09

In reply to Well, That Didn't Last Long
it doesnt really take much to make that game anyway. they couldve just as easily made a fake(r) version of it with a "retard hamster" or a "douchebag turtle" or, hell, i'd even accept a "************ armadillo".
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Owen Good
02/01/09

@Lllusionx: Lulz that you self-censored yourself. But motherfucker armadillo is a nice pairing, too.
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