It's a Christmas tree, NEVER refer to it as anything else because it's not anything else.
This may be a crap comparison because I unfortunately am not very up on other peoples rituals but the Hanukkah Menorah is not just a candle stick holder and I would think many out there would feel upset at the re-branding of it that way. (maybe they wouldn't but I couldn't find a Christmas tree equivalent)
Just because we live in a multicultural society, doesn't mean that we have to give up/change OUR culture just like how we wouldn't (or shouldn't) expect anyone else to give up theirs.
More over all kids who are allowed to celebrate Christmas love it. Why try to change it?
@FrankieViturello: Don't they understand the spirit of Festivus? It's not about commercialism, or the selling of intangible virtual goods. It's about the airing of grievances!
If it does, I'll make sure I get this. If it doesn't, I'll try and work it in to my busy end-of-semester schedule. With no trophies, I don't know if I'll ever have any incentive to try out a casual game, no matter how fun it is, as opposed to tackling one of the other hundreds of games I've got sitting unplayed in my backlog.
@Mit: Every game that has been released since early this year has to have trophies (minus the demos).
I can't believe that YOU and other people's mentality is that you don't think a game is worth it unless you get a virtual reward that does absolutely nothing. What happened to the days when you play a game because it's fun, not OMG it may have a easy trophies/gamer points.
@Neko_Tech: Whoah whoah, one look at my game collection and you can tell I don't play games just for achievements, especially with how many older games I still have to play, and how many subpar games most people wouldn't bother with that I play, just for the experience because I love games so much. (note: subpar games without achievements... I suppose that could be interpreted that I play subpar games for achievements.)
Diner Dash just isn't a game I would bother with due to its casual nature. Casual games to me come off as glorified time killers, and I don't often have time to kill. If I've got time to game, I'll spend it on a more full-fledged game that has a more traditional single player experience with some sort of ending, rather than a more competitive, high-scoring type of game such as Diner Dash.
Although I do play some glorified time killers still, such as Battlefield 2 and Team Fortress 2 :P (yes, I consider multiplayer-only games timekillers. Fun, but in the end I'm not accomplishing anything except boosting my self-confidence/pride).
Anyhow, achievements/trophies give me a goal in timekiller games to achieve. I can experience the game, accomplish some goals, and feel comfortable with putting it away.
If I've got nothing to accomplish, I play it for a while, and I either feel like I haven't played it enough to justify my money's worth if I play it too little, or I feel like I've wasted too much time on it if I play it too long.
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but these are the things you consider when you've got games piling up faster than you can complete them.
@Neko_Tech: Technically speaking, "scores" have been around since the beginning of video games . . . and that's basically the same thing as a trophy.
Just now we get a virtual metal opposed to a virtual number. In the late '80s you couldn't have convinced many people to play Tetris if it didn't give you a score . . . that's really not much different than now. The mentality makes sense: if this game isn't going to give me something rewarding in a story (which Diner Dash isn't), it better at least give me SOMETHING for my effort.
@Mit: Sorry, I guess I took your previous statement as one of those people who don't play games unless it has some kind of pointless rewards, not in game reward.
I've seen plenty of people who snub off a great game just because it doesn't have trophies like Valkyria Chronicles for example even though they claim they like that kind of genera.
I never knew there was a site like that ([backloggery.com]). I may have to use it now and I have a lot of back logged games to go through :p. Most of my games were impulsive buy because it was cheap ^_^.
@bangbangblah: That may be true but come on. Now our game saves are limited like if I was let say lazy or I just didn't have the skill/time to unlock something special but the game required you to beat the game on the most punishing difficulties or beat it multiples times.
I can't just use someones game save that have it unlocked because their game save isn't linked to my profile all because of people thinking that gamer score/trophies actually mean something.
Back in the good old days, there were some sort of codes or password for those to unlock if they wished or game saves were not locked. Now if you want that privilege you have to end up buying the unlock keys for that game *cough EA* *cough Bandai/Nacmo*.
@Neko_Tech: If you are too lazy to play the game through, then you don't deserve to unlock that something special . . . it's a reward. You have to earn it! That's the whole point.
@bangbangblah: So you support DRM based game saves? That's what I'm trying to say.
Well I guess that would suck if you ever have to create a new gamer tag in the future and if you have a PS3 and it breaks down on you and they send you a refurb or you had to buy a new one you had to start all over from scratch on the copy protected save since the copy protected save is linked to the console id, not the PSN ID.
I have experienced both and because of it. I lost enjoyment on starting over from scratch on those games and I dreaded every moment playing it because of it.
As long as gamerpoints/trophies are around, we'll loose our rights to our own saves for something that holds no value the achievement systems.
@ThisCharmingMan: Ignore this one, then. It's an arcade game - it'll be 1200 points for years to come, unless Microsoft maybe decides to dock 400 points for a weeklong sale that's only for gold members. #xboxlive
@spiderweb1986: Wouldn't that be a reason to get this one instead? Then once you're finally done with it, all those other games will be cheaper. It's a win win! Heck, you may not even have to buy any other games ever again! #xboxlive
@Yiffy Curry: That's actually a good point. Wait a few months, and the holiday games will begin dropping. The beginning of next year is packed, so we might see some early markdowns to compensate. #xboxlive
On one hand, Gyromancer looked interesting, pretty fun.
On the other hand, Gyromancer looked like a soul-sucking demonic hell-spawn that will pull you in with it's simple gameplay but never let you leave. Ever. Like Peggle. #xboxlive
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This may be a crap comparison because I unfortunately am not very up on other peoples rituals but the Hanukkah Menorah is not just a candle stick holder and I would think many out there would feel upset at the re-branding of it that way. (maybe they wouldn't but I couldn't find a Christmas tree equivalent)
Just because we live in a multicultural society, doesn't mean that we have to give up/change OUR culture just like how we wouldn't (or shouldn't) expect anyone else to give up theirs.
More over all kids who are allowed to celebrate Christmas love it. Why try to change it?
On the flip side, nice to see more stuff in Home
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It's funny cos it could be true
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If it does, I'll make sure I get this. If it doesn't, I'll try and work it in to my busy end-of-semester schedule. With no trophies, I don't know if I'll ever have any incentive to try out a casual game, no matter how fun it is, as opposed to tackling one of the other hundreds of games I've got sitting unplayed in my backlog.
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[www.ps3trophies.org]
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I can't believe that YOU and other people's mentality is that you don't think a game is worth it unless you get a virtual reward that does absolutely nothing. What happened to the days when you play a game because it's fun, not OMG it may have a easy trophies/gamer points.
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Diner Dash just isn't a game I would bother with due to its casual nature. Casual games to me come off as glorified time killers, and I don't often have time to kill. If I've got time to game, I'll spend it on a more full-fledged game that has a more traditional single player experience with some sort of ending, rather than a more competitive, high-scoring type of game such as Diner Dash.
Although I do play some glorified time killers still, such as Battlefield 2 and Team Fortress 2 :P (yes, I consider multiplayer-only games timekillers. Fun, but in the end I'm not accomplishing anything except boosting my self-confidence/pride).
Anyhow, achievements/trophies give me a goal in timekiller games to achieve. I can experience the game, accomplish some goals, and feel comfortable with putting it away.
If I've got nothing to accomplish, I play it for a while, and I either feel like I haven't played it enough to justify my money's worth if I play it too little, or I feel like I've wasted too much time on it if I play it too long.
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but these are the things you consider when you've got games piling up faster than you can complete them.
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Just now we get a virtual metal opposed to a virtual number. In the late '80s you couldn't have convinced many people to play Tetris if it didn't give you a score . . . that's really not much different than now. The mentality makes sense: if this game isn't going to give me something rewarding in a story (which Diner Dash isn't), it better at least give me SOMETHING for my effort.
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I've seen plenty of people who snub off a great game just because it doesn't have trophies like Valkyria Chronicles for example even though they claim they like that kind of genera.
I never knew there was a site like that ([backloggery.com]). I may have to use it now and I have a lot of back logged games to go through :p. Most of my games were impulsive buy because it was cheap ^_^.
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I can't just use someones game save that have it unlocked because their game save isn't linked to my profile all because of people thinking that gamer score/trophies actually mean something.
Back in the good old days, there were some sort of codes or password for those to unlock if they wished or game saves were not locked. Now if you want that privilege you have to end up buying the unlock keys for that game *cough EA* *cough Bandai/Nacmo*.
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Well I guess that would suck if you ever have to create a new gamer tag in the future and if you have a PS3 and it breaks down on you and they send you a refurb or you had to buy a new one you had to start all over from scratch on the copy protected save since the copy protected save is linked to the console id, not the PSN ID.
I have experienced both and because of it. I lost enjoyment on starting over from scratch on those games and I dreaded every moment playing it because of it.
As long as gamerpoints/trophies are around, we'll loose our rights to our own saves for something that holds no value the achievement systems.
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(i.e., For the love of all that is holy, don't have Puzzle Quest's terrible, terrible, terrible Enemy AI.) #xboxlive
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1200 makes it really tempting. I should just stay away and dip into the Overlord bundle I bought on the cheap from Steam this weekend. #xboxlive
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On the other hand, Gyromancer looked like a soul-sucking demonic hell-spawn that will pull you in with it's simple gameplay but never let you leave. Ever. Like Peggle. #xboxlive
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