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    Image of AtomicPlayboy AtomicPlayboy
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Ironically, today is one of the handful of times I've visited Kotaku since I bid the site "adios" ([kotaku.com]) after a post by Brian Crecente mentioning that he had just spotted Kirsten Dunst in some bar in NYC. At that point, I made my own judgment that Kotaku had succumbed to something resembling a "fascination in the trivial and trite when it comes to pop culture and celebrity", this post just being the capstone on a building of industry name-dropping and such. Oh, well.
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    Image of Brian Crecente Brian Crecente
    12/04/08

    @AtomicPlayboy: In my day note? Wow.
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    Image of TheHeartless TheHeartless
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Bravo, Crecente.
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    Image of Chalkdust Chalkdust
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    America's appetite, and supply of soft news, celebrity obession, etc is a problem, and just one of the reasons for the current state of newspapers. It's sad to see, but I feel like even after doing a high school senior project on this topic, I still don't know exactly what can be done to remedy this.


    Maybe what papers need to do is cut out the crap that E!, Entertainment Tonight, etc. cover, and try focusing on just being the best source for truth, accurate information, intelligent writing, and accountability. Find some way to convince people that they can only get the best source of pure news from you, buying your paper, paying for a subscription to your site. Though just writing that, I can imagine how that strategy may not be financially sound at all. Maybe things have to hit rock bottom before the situation can get better. Or maybe, even if newspapers in any form do 'recover' they'll never be able to support as large a staff as before.

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    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Ebert is a smart man and a good writer, but he's also kind of an elitist douche, and when he shoots his mouth (or typewriter) off like that it tends to make me feel like his opinion shouldn't really be worth much, no matter how elegantly worded it is.
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    Image of Sloopydrew Sloopydrew
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Great article, Brian (and thanks for the link to Roger's article, which was also a good read). When I was a professional (IE - paid with credentials) film critic, a whole shitstorm of badness came down upon me when I posted my War of the Worlds review (mixed, but not negative) 4 hours before the film's midnight screening (was uninvited from ALL advance screenings for films from that studio and stopped getting screening passes from the PR firm that represented that studio for all movies, no matter the studio). Posting prior to 12:01 AM was only allowed if you were giving the movie a glowing review. This "hoop-jumping," "swag-giving" crap from the PR firms representing the studios and the studios themselves is why I stopped being a paid critic entirely and went back to writing critiques as a hobby. Like you said in your article, this has been going on for a long time -- but it is nice that people like Ebert are taking notice. Unfortunately, it may be too late.
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    Image of Handles25 Handles25
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Brian did you see this?


    [www.rockymountainnews.com]


    Looks like you got out just in time.

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    Image of Brian Crecente Brian Crecente
    12/04/08

    @Handles25: Yeah, jeeze I was just talking to someone over there this morning.

    :(
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    Image of Chalkdust Chalkdust
    12/04/08

    @Handles25: Scary.


    Trouble on the Rocky Horror News Mountain. : /

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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    It's the shift from news to news entertainment. Just because the facts are true doesn't mean they're the most relevant. If they're entertaining though, people will consume them.


    I also think there should be a limit to the ownership of news media outlets, as some people like Rupert Murdoch control far to great a percentage of global news media, allowing them to really call the shots as per what's news and what isn't.

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    Image of jayntampa jayntampa
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    If you want to know where paper's failed, it's by not driving the technology behind the delivery method. Newspapers should have been at the forefront of digital paper technology and online content distribution. I was saying this back in 1994 when I graduated from college with a degree in journalism from one of the best journalism colleges in the nation. The professor's couldn't see it then ...


    What SHOULD have happened was that newspapers should have been cultivating a market to read online and in e-readers -- in fact, they should have come together and developed an e-reader standard. They should have begun the transition before their decline was so pronounced that they may not recover.


    They weren't nimble enough and they never evolved, now we as a nation are on the cusp of losing something unbelievably essential to the core foundation of this country. Instead of Ida Tarbell and Upton Sinclair we have anonymous writers on the Smoking Gun.

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    Image of BigMoose is a big moose BigMoose is a big moose
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    As much as I hate to say it, newspapers are obsolete. They were used as a tool to spread news and information, but today everyone has access to any piece of news or information at their finger tips. The trend in culture to make everything faster is another major problem adding to the death of the newspapers (people lack the patience to read a 500 word article, nevertheless a 1000 word). Although some might think the internet should replace newspapers, I think it's a terrible change. News and information on the internet is like Wal Mart on Black Friday. So much going on that someone is gonna get lost in it and die. And most of what is on the internet is completely biased or false and the quick fix thinkers will believe anything you put in front of them. With technology advancing so quickly, it's hard to figure out how to get things to work in an organized manner, so complete, well-thought out articles will be lost in the rush towards new and innovative advancements. It feels like society has reached another pre-Modern type situation. We are putting so much faith in computers and technology that we are rushing blindly into complete reliance on them. It took close to 100 million deaths spanning two wars for people to realize that the new technological advancements of the Modern age weren't flawless, and it makes me afraid of what is to come.


    Enough doom and gloom. This article does give me faith in video game criticism. Although it is barely learning to crawl, I can't see video games ever getting caught up in the whole celcrity cult thing. Some may kiss the ground that some developers walk, but we don't see these people while playing the games, so I really don't think it will get as bad as movies and television (fingers crossed).


    Sorry, I ramble too much.

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    Image of Đipic Đipic
    12/04/08

    @BigMoose: You meant "newspapers are becoming obsolete", correct? Because I'm fairly sure they still exist and millions still read them.
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    Image of Đipic Đipic
    12/04/08

    @BigMoose: Btw, I do agree with your other points, I just don't believe print media is going to disappear anytime soon.
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    Image of Chalkdust Chalkdust
    12/04/08

    @BigMoose: I hope you're wrong, but maybe newspapers in paper form is going to be a thing of the past. I don't look forward to that if it happens.


    There is a place for what respectable newspapers can do, but they may have to change formats and suffer a dark period before they can be as relevant as they once were.

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    Image of johnnyrippa johnnyrippa
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    There's an awful sense of irony here, with this commentary coming from a blog, a blog that employs shamelessly biased writers in fact.

    I'll leave it at that. I wouldn't want you to censor my comments against your establishment like you're so eager to do. "No naysayers! Only truth, justice and the Kotaku way!" Right, Brian?
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    Image of Brian Crecente Brian Crecente
    12/04/08

    @johnnyrippa: did you hit your head or something? If your attacking something or someone, I can't even tell, try to make some sense.
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    Image of The bigger the lie, the more they believe! The bigger the lie, the more they believe!
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Me thinks this is the pot calling the kettle white. How many "non-real news Dude Huge developer celeb worship" stories hit here on this very site this fall? Anyway I think video game criticism is in worst shape than film simply because "gaming journalist" get swag & exclusives from certain companies and what a surprise they review they're games higher. You don't hear about Brad Pitt sending E! News free posters and accessories.
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    Image of Brian Crecente Brian Crecente
    12/04/08

    @The bigger the lie, the more they believe!: Wow, you really think that movie critics don't get swag? It would scare you if you saw the stuff they got.


    Also, I don't say that it's about celeb worship, i say it's about something else, so this isn't really a pot/kettle issue.

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    Image of The Cap'n The Cap'n
    12/04/08

    @The bigger the lie, the more they believe!: Have you worked in entertainment journalism? Someone actually coined the phrase "on the schwagon".


    I remember back when I wrote for my college paper, we would get movie posters, boxes of cds, t-shirts, keychains, screeners, Jerry Springer-themed condoms and countless other things that I can't even remember. If I got this at the tender age of 19, what was a paid professional getting?


    Saying that you don't hear about Brad Pitt sending this crap out is like saying that you don't see Miyamoto's return address on the package. They hire armies of PR flacks for this in every industry.


    It's broken in every field of criticism.

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    12/04/08

    @Brian Crecente: @Slothboy:
    Hmm so they don't advertise the free crap they're getting. But honestly I don't see the bias in that medium. I don't see certain film programs/magazines blatantly slurp certain stars/companies like in gaming. The only close comparison would be political shows/sites that happily show they're bias.


    Think of it this way. I can evenly compare the love Sean Hannity has for repubs to the love G4 shows to the 360 (they actually said the 360 made Netflix relevant) to Rachel Maddow's "hard on" for Obama. I can't think of an example of this in Film. Someone help me out. What maybe Oprah and Tom Cruse? But I may be hijacking this blog, if so sorry Crecente.

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    Image of The Cap'n The Cap'n
    12/04/08

    @The bigger the lie, the more they believe!: I feel that these fields are definitely biased, they are just biased differently. It comes through in so many ways.


    1 is the Mission Impossible 2 phenomenon, where a movie gets good reviews when it comes out and then in retrospect a year or 2 later, everyone (even the critics) pretty much admit 'yeah, it was crap'.


    There's also the 'damage control' phenomenon where turkeys are given B/B- reviews instead of the F's they reserve. When's the last time you saw a big name movie truly dragged through the mud and fed to the wolves at the time of its release? I can't think of it. Not even "Phantom Menace"


    Also, think of the names that keep showing up on covers. They create a context where these people become cultural fixtures


    Gaming journalism is young. The flacks haven't learned the subliminal tricks yet, the way that music and movies have years ago. In 15-20 years, games journalism will evolve its own version of sneakiness.

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    Image of bluetom00 bluetom00
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head, Crecente. This isn't just a canary in the coal mine for newspapers; it's indicative of larger trends that have been growing at least since the early 1980s. Maybe we can blame it on Reagan's celebrity presidency, or the eighties cult of wealth and fame, or Clinton's cheapening of national politics. Whatever the origin, the zeitgeist is one of celebrating the superfluous and the trivial, as long as it's sexy.


    Forget sophisticated analysis of important cultural texts-- I'm more worried that college students can't find Iraq on a map but can nevertheless tell me the detailed individual histories of every turdbag on "The Hills." Film critics are luck they've survived this long.


    And what does that say for game criticism? That it's dead in the womb? I have not seen game criticism on any site reach the level of sophistication of an NYT film review. We've got years to go before reaching that level-- that's fine, we have to learn to crawl before we walk-- but it does not bode well that the general trend in cultural criticism is toward less sophistication and more flash.


    Maybe we can just blame consumers. You'll read an NYT review of a Cohen brothers film to learn what that writer thinks about the directors' ability to capture our contemporary condition on film. On the other hand, most people reading a Call of Duty review just want to know if the opportunities to blow shit up are worth their 60 bucks. Game critics have to feed that beast before getting all deconstructive. Kind of sad, but the market dictates these things.

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    Image of Megaman LXIX Megaman LXIX
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Oddly I've always thought Roger Ebert had a lot to do with the death of film criticism. "Thumbs Up" or "thumbs down" isn't exactly the best way to critic art.
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    Image of The Cap'n The Cap'n
    12/04/08

    @Megaman LXIX: I remember in the '70s, everyone acted horrified when Robert Christgau started giving albums letter grades in his reviews. Now everyone does the same damn thing in one way or other. You barely even think about it anymore.


    I don't know when Ebert and Siskel started giving thumbs to their subjects, but E's always done stars for reviews in the Sun-Times. That said, I'll make the case for a binary thumb system that it's so vague that it forced Ebert to justify his opinion verbally rather than packing it into the 'score,' unlike Pitchfork which has such a wide range of grades that you often don't need to go past the number.


    I think the last major entertainment media not to grade its subjects that I knew of was the Onion's AV Club. I used to pore over their long form reviews, which were so well-written that they occasionally outshone their subjects. Then once the grades came in, it felt like they started getting lazier and shorter. I read them only through joyless compulsion now.

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    Image of TRT-X TRT-X
    12/04/08

    @Megaman LXIX: Except that the Up/Down portion was only one piece of an otherwise well thought out critique.


    Though I would agree the Up/Down thing did eventually lead to review readers to focus entirely on the ultimate result moreso than the actual review that was written.


    Case in point, a fair majority of responses to IGN review scores.

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    12/04/08

    @Megaman LXIX: Ebert doesn't even like having to reduce a review to a number of stars, let alone a binary thumb, but he has to put them in. (Once in a while the topic will come up in his letters section.) It's always more useful (and often funnier) to read the body of the review.
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    Image of mrkinder mrkinder
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    It is through these writers that we discover ourselves and *our* reminded daily that life


    What's wrong Mr Crecente, not enough attention span to proof read your own article? Was it too LONG? :)

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    Image of Brian Crecente Brian Crecente
    12/04/08

    @mrkinder: That's why there are copyeditors. No matter how many times you reread a story, you won't always catch your own mistakes.
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    Image of PapaBear434 PapaBear434
    12/04/08

    In reply to The Death of (Video Game) Criticism
    Fear not, Crecente. If your own (and other sites) success has show anything, it's that the future is online.


    While the big papers have to cater to a wide audience, due to their inflexible and permanent type format, the internet news sites have the advantage of immediacy as well as having a front page full of headlines. These headlines are easily expanded upon with nothing more than a simple click which takes people the full story, that can be as long or as short as the writer feels.


    In addition, the ads are just as easily displayed along the side or within the page, and not needing a special spot taking up limited space on a page. In the digital format, there is no ads and story fighting for space, as there is unlimited space.


    Granted, online provides for it's own challenges, like having too many (or too annoying) ads driving people away, and having a lot more competition from even the smallest upstart. But where newspapers, magazines, and the like need to compete to grab attention within a localized audience, the internet lets the people interested in the subject find YOU.


    In short: The future is now, and Kotaku shall lead the way!


    /viva la revolution

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    Image of Nightshift Nurse Nightshift Nurse
    12/04/08

    @PapaBear434: The problem with those "small upstarts" is that they tend to garner readership through rampant editorializing and spin. So in essence, you wind up with 100 "Hannity and Colmes" or "Crossfires" for every 1 "New York Times".


    Obviously, its a less serious issue when you're talking about soft topics like video games...at least for now. I believe as the medium matures over the next couple of decades the necessity for vastly less spin will become apparent. As it currently stands, you have major outlets making offerings like this: [psp.ign.com]


    But let's face it, video games are still (to a certain extent) toys and can be reported on with a certain degree of levity. Whether that be Brian Crecente's (frequently) wistful musings or Luke Plunkett's low-grade trolling. The problem with the latter (as well as the IGN example) is that shitting all over a console that members of your readership like and, depending on the headline, are actually reading about smacks of a juvenile antagonism that holds back game writing as it leaves its infancy.


    Serious analysis has arrived, but I think we're still a ways away from serious criticism if the actions of 1UP, EGM, IGN, or the occasional rogue Kotaku editor are any indication. The problem as I see it is that far too many editors/writers are approaching the issue of criticism (particularly in the broader sense of critiquing an entire console) from a mindset of "if it has problems, rag on it more" and "if it's popular, don't rock the boat". It would seem as far as we've matured regarding the latter sentiment is to write articles or reviews that tear apart consensus just for the attention it garners . I've yet to see any hard proof that game journalists are willing to offer constructive commentary on soft targets without resorting to flamebait.


    In short, I think most people in the field need to ignore the throngs of noisy drones clogging the internet and just present well articulated, constructive articles and opinions without resorting to stoking fires.

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    12/04/08

    @Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic:


    I'll agree with you to a certain extent, except serious analysis to almost anything can be found if one looks for it. It's only a Google away, as it were.


    Almost any musing in the world can find an audience. Hell, newspapers are finding that their readership actually being BETTER with online editions than regular editions.

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