He does deserve death, but the fact that that is what he WANTS means that he shouldn't get it. He committed that attack in the hopes he would be killed by police or the justice system because he was unable to take his own life, which this was stated by the guy after the event.
Death is what he wants, thus it is not what he should get. The bastard should rot in prison for the rest of his life. #crime
Hey Brian, how often does the Japanese judicial system dole out death penalties? What are there criteria that one has to meet to be considered for the death penalty? Whatever it is, he's likely already met it in spades. #crime
@Kyosuke_Nanbu: If he's apologizing, then he isn't a sociopath. If he isn't a sociopath, then he feels guilt. You think releasing him from his guilt is a better punishment than leaving him in a small concrete room to dwell on it for the rest of his life? #crime
@Kyosuke_Nanbu: kill him? sounds stress releaving, don't you think?
Killing him quickly: too easy for that scum
Letting him live: too expensive
Letting him rot and go insane: better and cheap (1mx1m concrete room and that's it) #crime
@Phydeaux: I assume you meant should be ashamed there, and yes, exactly. Why take a life, especially if they are clearly feeling guilt, as Koztah said he isn't a sociopath and clearly won't do it again if he believes that. Why would we make it 8 victims? #crime
@Trolly: Well, no, because I mean we shouldn't be ashamed to dole out the "life imprisonment". In America especially for DAs it has a sort of stigma, as if they don't pursue the death penalty that they're somehow not "tough on crime". #crime
@Phydeaux: This guy may deserve the death penalty for what he has done but are we, as a humane society going to grant him that wish? Sure he may want to die, but who are we to take another life? I do feel that suicide is the most cowardly thing you can do, it causes more shame, confusion and sorrow for friends and family then it offers tranquility for the killer. he wants to end his life so that he can appease his conscious, but it won't make a difference he'll be dead. he won't find peace, he'll be buried in the ground or incenerated. the people who lost their love ones will have to continue with the sorrow of losing someone they love for no reason at all. it's not like the killers family will be at anymore peace...don't you think they've tried moving on from this by now? it's been a year.
whatever they decide to do to this guy, i'm sure it'll be decided upon rightly and justly. I just don't think you guys are being fair by clamoring for or against he death. either way nothing is accomplished. those 7 aren't coming back, their families are still going to miss them and the killer's family is still going to wonder what happened to their son. #crime
@vdiddy210: Dude, read my other posts in this thread. I am wholeheartedly AGAINST the death penalty, absolutely FOR life imprisonment for murder. #crime
@Phydeaux: I mostly agree with you. But.. I still feel the death penalty could be used as an example to ward off other would be crimes.
I most strongly feel this way against people who molest children. I think they should be burned alive as an example to any other sick minded bastard out there.
I honestly do not believe that someone who practically destroys the rest of a young one's life, the chance to be forgiven. #crime
@Tremolo-mayan: Hooray, another pet legal argument of mine!
The penalties for crimes against children have reason and yet so have the numbers for perps. It's not a deterrent and we keep raising the bar on what we consider a child in this day and age.
Then there's the argument that whether it's a completely conscious decision to prey on children or if someone is born with the attraction as a sort of mental sickness. i.e., does someone choose a sexual orientation? If so, can they be faulted the same as someone who becomes a serial murderer, who was decidedly not born with their problem?
My point is, in this country, we don't take enough time to plot and communicate with the people in order to find ways to prevent crime, and when we do, we kill those programs because they cost so much. And we don't take mental health seriously in this country. And we let tweenagers run rampant without parental supervision and pretty much let them raise themselves. We simultaneously let them grow up too fast while stripping them of character building responsibilities and rewards that were the norm decades ago.
So I still don't think killing people outright solves anything. If anything it just gives immature people more reason to lie in order to off the people they don't like. #crime
@Trolly: This man made very foolish choices, now he must live with the same pain he inflicted upon these poor, helpless civilians. People can say things, and act differently, or convince themselves through lies of webs of lies and deceit. Many commenters here are underestimating the danger of such a cruel individual, and even sympathizing and feeling sorry for his plight, when he obviously deserves no less than the worst punishment imaginable. It's only fair retribution this way. If you disagree, then you're simply showing too much mercy.
There's no such thing.
It's like too much money.
It's like a girl too pretty.
It's like too much class.
Being too lucky.
A car too fast.
There's an old Franklin saying, "Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge." Show mercy, show forgiveness, while still showing authority, still showing justice.
Worst punishment imaginable? Then I'll imagine "life imprisonment with no parole". I'll file anything that keeps him from breathing as "unfathomable". #crime
@Phydeaux: Yep, again man I agree with you for the most part. You raise all good points. I've taken a couple psychology courses at my college, and I do realize that it's not always the offender's "fault", but I am definitely bias in this case, simply because that child for the rest of his/her life will be totally insecure, untrusting, possibly unsure of their sexuality leading to even more devastation, and just a totally full life of hell unless they're lucky enough to save themselves through more intense reflection and struggle than any normal person could ever imagine going through.
But you're right, we should try to understand these people to be able to stop it from happening, and I'm in no way defending those idiotic sexed up hannah montanniacs. I'm just talking about a normal bleeding child lol. It's parents, culture and Disney to blame for the ridiculous clothing of some young kids these days.
I of course cite the Jonas Brothers South Park episode in that case. #crime
I used to be against the death penalty, but I got forced into a debate in 11th grade and had to research and defend the death penalty, even though I was against it personally. After a lot of research, I learned that there are thousands of deaths related to killers (not including their original victims) that were not given the death penalty - either killing correctional officers, or once they're finally released, almost every time they WILL kill again. Once a killer, always a killer... I won the debate and changed a lot of minds after I started reading a 500-line victim list of people killed by convicted murderers in the last year.
@saber003: But death is an easy punishment. Then again, keeping them alive is expensive. The solution is to turn every prison into a factory making things like street signs, license plates and other miscellaneous crap the government needs. 12 hour workdays, no pay.
Separate the criminals by tiers. You put all the "death row" inmates together. Rapists together. Assault/battery/robbery together. Non-violent together. You put child molesters in with the "death row" inmates.
@Koztah: At least in America, it's way cheaper to lock a criminal for life than to kill them. The legal process alone accounts for a ridiculous portion of the cost:
@saber003: You won using an appeal to emotion? The person you debated sucked at it then. the response I would have used would have been a list of people executed who were later proved innocent.
We shouldn't let murderious nutcases go, but we also have to be concerned with killing innocents. the system isn't perfect, nor can it ever be. #crime
@Koztah: A lot of prisons do have factories. they make a pittance an hour though, which has to be used to buy things from the prison like snackfood, etc.
Helps keep the peace, and generates revanue.
I say bring back chain gangs for non-violent crimes, and throw the animials into solitary for life. #crime
I don't think death is a good punisment. Not even for someone who has committed massive crimes like genocide and so on.
The Hammurabi's law is outdated. You can't punish a killer by killing him. There's a problem with the principle of that... It hinders the credibility of the justice system if you sentence a killer to death 'cause then you'd basically be punishing him with the same crime that he's convicted of.
And it's not justice that people don't have the right to kill, but the law does. If killing is a crime then you can't make an exception about it. And death can't be a punishment dealt by the justice system since killing is illegal. Otherwise you're just kind of making the law seem empty and meaningless - contradictory. #crime
@Outi: But if that isn't a proper punishment then what would be? If you see a virus on your computer that is deleting your files left and right what do you do? Delete it (more complex than that though). I know that people are more than just files on a computer and have lives but I honestly think that when someone deprives another of life for no explainable reason then the punishment should fit the crime. If an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind then what happens if one man takes 7 eyes and wounds 15 others? If he was so reckless to end people's lives on such terms then he must not appreciate life himself.
While I admit you have a point I think the main difference between the public killing and the law killing is when the public does in the form of murder it is seen in an unjust manner. If the law sentences someone to death for their crimes it is to remove the problem. Which may sound cruel but without the death penalty people can murder and then go into a prison system and continue to kill. Now the tolls have gathered.
This debate is always tough to make a decision on. In my honest opinion if nobody killed anyone then who would care about the punishment. So what is the point anyhow. #crime
The death penalty is not punishment, rehabilitation, justice or anything. It is simply a way to attempt to remove problems from society. That doesn't work, it's never been proven to even stop any crime, why is it even there?
Let me ask you this, would you rather remove all the pimples from your face as they come, or try to attempt the pours from never clogging so you never have a problem.
Society is a huge face of some teenage kid, and he's going about his pimple problem all wrong. He picks at them, burst them, and squeezes them to try to get rid of them. If he would just use some medicine (figurative), let them slowly regress, and become normal pours again, he would have much less of a problem, and leave no scars on his face.
So instead of scaring our face and not fixing the root problem of this ugly acne infected face, hows about we cleanse the pours to stop the pimples from coming up period. #crime
@AD.Munck: So what you're basically saying is that the only way to stop someone who's killed another person is to kill him off? That the only way to make sure this person who killed 7 won't kill any more is to just end his life?
Really? You can't think of any other way to stop him from doing that again? And you think that he'll kill more people once/if he gets out of prison, for sure?
Are you serious?
How about keeping him in lock-up and letting him out when he's - say - pushing 70?
Also, I don't wanna hear anything about the taxpayers' money here. In a debate like this someone always throws in the tax money argument... Which is ridiculous 'cause usually the person who gives that comment hasn't really thought about A) how much tax income the state gets per year B) what kind of percent of that money is used on maintaining prisons C) how much money does it cost to maintain a single criminal.
How big a portion of a tax payer's money goes to keeping this guy in prison? How big a portion of Japan's yearly tax income is spent to keep this one person in prison?
I can tell you it's not much. In fact it's nearly nothing. And this man's life, even though he did what he did is surely worth more than "nearly nothing".
To him, his life is all he has. And you have to understand that as well.
In real life there is no such thing as evil people. Sure, people do awful, unforgivable things. But it's not as black and white as good and evil and life and death.
That'd be just plain ignorance talking.
The bottom line in what I'm trying to say is that nobody has the right to decide wether or not somebody lives or dies. This man took that right into his own hands and that's why he's in prison. That's his punishment. He's been put into quarantene outside the society because he's not fit to live within the society.
But the law, that's supposed to set an example of how the society is supposed to work, can't make the decision that this man's life can be erased. It's jut justice. It's hypocrisy. #crime
@Outi: "In real life there is no such thing as evil people. Sure, people do awful, unforgivable things. But it's not as black and white as good and evil and life and death.
That'd be just plain ignorance talking."
@Outi:
Although I shouldn't be, I didn't expect this to turn into a discussion of the death penalty so quickly.
Let me just say this:
I was there. Across the street. I saw it all. I heard it all. The crash, the truck, the stabbing, the people, the aftermath....
I never really understood PTSD until then. (Thankfully I suppose.)
One of my questions for the concierge when we got back to the hotel hours later was "Do you have the death penalty?" I had never been really been supportive of its use until then.
Also, I would say, I'm not as supportive now as I was then, but at some level, shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? That's the underlying premise. It's not necessarily the deterrence of crime, but the balancing of justice (scales, etc). If you take a life, why should you keep yours? It's not just that the law has the authority to kill (and people don't), its that they are balancing the crime against the victim. (In some law codes this actually was the responsibility of a closest relative, Judiac - 'Avenger of Blood'.)
I'm all for trying to treat the root cause of the problem, as it is a better solution, but to lock someone up and throw away the key presents two issues to me.
1. The criminal still has life, and the victims do not. He can eat, sleep, and probably read and exercise. All of which are aspects of life I really enjoy. Why can he decide that the victims' lives can be erased when his will not be?
2. If your intent is to have him be as miserable as possible in prison for the rest of his life, it sounds like you wish upon him the intent of 'hell'. Hell doesn't exist, but the idea of locking someone up so they can be in torment for as long as possible is the premise. (Interestingly the connotation of word for 'torment' in the original language was related to that of a jailer.)
All that being said. I would say that I cannot judge Kato. I have neither the ability nor the desire to truly determine what he deserves. I cannot tell in his heart if he is truly repentant. I cannot decide if he deserves to die; ('Judge not, lest ye be judged'.) And ultimately I don't have to. Japan's government has the authority, and the law of Japan allows for the death penalty. I'm not going to get upset if he is put to death. I saw his crimes, but I also know, for me, that if it is the wrong decision, there is someone who can correct it. #crime
@Outi: Well I must admit that you make good points. I am very understanding in this whole thing. To be honest I am a debater. I like to take the opposite side in most discussions only to get more information on the subject. I personally have to agree with most things you said. When I look at issues like this and how people defend them it seems to me that most people have very few facts straight. But you have your opinions laid out well.
I am a big believer in pro choice. But on this subject I think it isn't something that can be clear cut like that. I have been close to people and had them taken away by murder and it is not something that you can explain. The idea that someone robbed someone you know of their life astounds you and it makes a deep change in your outlook. I would say that it is mostly revenge acting out. And while revenge is a big cause of murder not everyone acts on it. I would have to say that if I wanted the person that comited the crime to be killed for punishment I am as guilty as he. But not in the sense that I comitted the act but I had wanted the same result. Before I was in that situation I had always been on the fence about the subject. Afterward I was wanting him to be executed. But now I feel that people should be given a bit more time to reflect on their deeds.
I say that with caution though. I think there are always special conditions to decisions like this. If someone gets wrongly accused and charged for murder then get the death penalty there is no way to take that back after they flip the switch. It happens often. But in the case of serial murderers and rapists, cannibals and kidnappers, I think the death penalty should be withheld for those select. Not as an act of punishment but as a form of relief. the people that perform those acts are clinically insane and it would not do any good to keep them in a cage until the commit suicide. Release is not an option for those people.
It is a subject that people can spend days on end discussing but sadly it is a lengthy process to change and not enough people are willing to put the time forth.
But the problem with that approach is when you take something as vast as death and categorize it into types then take the situations that constitute murder and accident and other profiles it becomes blurry. Something as complex as murder is not clean cut every time. In fact it very rarely is. Some people consider neglect murder. Some say that certain circumstances such as self defense and fear or insanity can make murder OK. But asking for murder to be stopped all together is a big task.
People have been killing since it all began. It would be a great world if it all stopped but assuming that it can actually happen is somewhat vain. If you were to ask all of humanity to come together as one and understand that murder gets us nowhere and the fact that it is a pointless act, while it is a hopeful accomplishment, it is near impossible. People comit more crime than ever and it starts small. From speeding and littering to piracy and theft. While it is the perfect answer to the problem there is no work to show proof.
Like in school when your math teacher made you show your work. It wasn't to make you do more work. It was to show you knew how to get to the end result. Anyone can go copy the answers but if you just have a question and an answer with no knowledge of how to traverse that gap, have you learned anything? #crime
@Duin: You know it's funny 'cause I could say the exact same thing about your comment lol
But you know we can go on about this forever and the last one to post their comment on the irony of the previous poster's comment has the right to feel that, "I'm better" #crime
@morandir: If you take a life, and taking a life is wrong, then what is the person taking his life for taking a life?
If a person takes the life of another person, should the punishment to be taking their life? What have we accomplished? What has been done? Instead of one person dead, we have two people dead.
Make that persons life worth something, and worth the lives of the people he killed. Don't just simply write him off as a life for a life. Make his life improve the lives of others, let his life foster more life, but taking a life as a solution to taking a life is a absurd cycle that leaves only death. #crime
@AD.Munck: Yes, but the goal is to stop all crime. We will NEVER reach this goal, but we can always strive to get closer. If I were to discuss all the different ways we can go about deterrent crime, this would turn into a huge political discussion about social classes and economics, so I wont get into that.
Let me just say it like this. If somebody were to, in cold blood, and the most vicious way murder my littlest brother, I would wish him death. I may even be tempted to stoop to his level and kill him, and the hate and rage I get from even thinking about is immense. But it's all empty. My brother is dead, and now he is dead, wheres the justice? Where's the opportunities my brother had, the chances he had, everything. It's all gone, and now so is the man. It's nothing but a pointless emptiness. Now, lets say this man isn't just killed, but instead is rehabilitated, and his whole life is devoted to helping the lives of others. At least now, my brothers life was not taken in vain, at least his death made something, it meant something. There is meaning, and while I will still never probably forgive this man, I can know my brothers death wasn't just some pointless occurrence that ended with "one less criminal in the world".
There are a multitude of ways we can get closer to achieving that. And while we aim for this perfect world that we will never have, that should never stop us from attempting to make it. #crime
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: I agree with you on that. I think this system would work better if American prisons went back to the labor based punishment. Right now, most prisoners just wake up and eat follow the rules and go to sleep. If things were more productive than stamping out license plates and such, it would make more of a change in the world. Rather than doing those things these should do menial labor that helps the earth. Like sorting recycling or performing labor on energy efficient products or solar panels. Something that would lower cost for everyday people in life or help out those of us that had kept a clean record. Just a thought. #crime
The fact that he actually admits the gravity of his crime and is clearly in remorse is SUBSTANTIAL. I'd say that's the most important aspect of a criminal's rehabilitation.
There are many other animals out there that I personally believe truly deserve to be erased form society, a fine example being the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs.
Google "3 guys 1 hammer" and prepare to lose all faith in humanity (and some nations' legal systems). #crime
@JC_Denton: I hate that video. Makes me lose all faith in humanity. Murdering little shits. I wish I could say I believe in hell and they'll get what's coming to them. I can't believe that one of them only got 9 years. #crime
@JC_Denton: If he genuinely feels that way, then I agree that there is a chance for rehabilitation. I think that ultimately he will never be able to pay for the crime in life or death.
Living with remorse is a far harsher punishment than being killed for it. #crime
@JC_Denton: I didn't have the guts to watch the video, plus I'm at work, but I looked them up on wikipedia. It is worse than the most morally despicable acts that I thought individuals were capable of. Sickening. #crime
@JC_Denton: I disagree. No one really and truly deserves the death penalty in my opinion. In fact, this article is a good example of why. This man did something unspeakable, killing 7 and wounding 8 more. Had someone recounted the killings to you a day or two ago, prior to this story of repentance going public, I'd imagine you'd have been clamoring for the death penalty as well. What's different about now versus then?
He's had time to reflect, accept, and change... and everyone can change. Everyone. However, our penal system (USA, I won't speak for other countries) is set up very, very poorly for any true rehabilitation. It is society's burden to bear their incarceration costs until such time as they can serve a fair sentence because their crime is a reflection of society on them (especially so in the young).
The problem, as I see it, is that the sheer amount of societal problems these days has led to a crime-rate that is too high. This has lead to prison overcrowding and the revolving door effect, because the system is not working how it was intended.
Instead of these people who act violently getting the help and time they need to repent and change, they're being thrown into a vicious cycle of violence. So then, what? They've fucked up in life and we're actively failing them, so they need to be put down like animals? I'll hold myself to a higher standard than that, even if the rest of the world falls into such moral corruption as would allow it.
@Lumice: If saw was real and Jigsaw was a couple of bored teenagers.
That video makes me angry. It gives me pure genuine rage. Not even just at the idiots who did it, but at everything. It makes you want to change something, it makes you want to DO something.
Humans are quick to seperate themselves from animals, but look at the atrocities only we can commit. If we aren't animals, we are far worse. #crime
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: Saw? Jigsaw? I don't know what you're talking about..who is Saw and Jigsaw? I still don't have a very clear picture of the video, and I don't want to watch it, a description should suffice. #crime
@Lumice: I've never seen the video, but what he's talking about is 2 Ukrainian teens bludgeoning people to death over the course of a couple months, typically with a hammer. They had a third friend who occasionally helped rob people before the murders began and also pawned possessions they stole. The video is them murdering a man over the course of 45 minutes or so by beating his face in with a hammer then stabbing him with a screw driver a few times. They had a tendency to tape their animal mutilations and other sickening behaviours. Just look up Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs, as was indicated in the first comment. #crime
Coward. Death is too good for him and an easy way out. Let him live everyday with the regret of his actions and his personal freedoms severely curtailed in jail. #crime
@ByteStorm: I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't think there is anything after we die so death would be an easy way out. Lock him up and throw away the key. And the Japanese prisons don't sound all that great.
@ByteStorm: What if he believes in the magic murder unicorn that gives you candy when you die for killing people.
Yeah, sounds absurd, but anything can happen when you die. We can control what happens here though, so lets keep him in the realm of the living, so we know what is happening to him for the actions he took. #crime
No really, I'm genuinely curious, because there have been a number of articles that aren't game-related at all. In fact, some are just casual emails between staffers about movies or kids or other everyday stuff. And I quite like it.
There's always the good ol' "If it doesn't interest you, don't read it!" argument, but surely you were aware of that. You just wanted to stir up a bit of excitement, you sly dog you! #crime
@Manuel Calavera, Reaper Supreme:
Wrong. This is actually related to both games and japan (the two themes of this blog!), as Akihabara is in Japan (gasp!) and is a major center for otaku (WTF!) activities like video games (O-M-G!).
Consider this a follow up, pretty sure Kotaku has posted news on this before. #crime
@dajungki: It's supposedly a game blog, yes, and I really wish those note things would be done away with. I don't watch the news to see the anchors chatter about nonsense and make retarded 4chan references.
@Kicken: Except... It's just a killing that happened to occur in Akihabara? The district itself is well known for video games, yes, but it's not like it has a direct connection to vidya gaems. He didn't actually kill a bunch of dudes because Ninja Gaiden came out. I took a shit after playing Ballad of Gay Tony earlier, want me to write an article about it?
@Jehuty: I remember when it actually happened, so I'm not unfamiliar with the circumstances, dipshit. "In light of the tragic circumstances"? It happened a year ago and this is about one sentence in a letter he wrote to some guy. You have to admit this isn't newsworthy to begin with, let alone on a "game" blog. #crime
@Manuel Calavera, Reaper Supreme: Considering this article was written by the Senior Contributing Editor, I get the feeling that not all articles have to be explicitly videogame-based. And like I said earlier, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Akin to changing the channel, only easier.
While I don't think your criticism is irrational, we have to remember that Kotaku is free. As readers we have the freedom to read what we want, and in turn the editors have the freedom to report on what they want. I'm sure Kotaku staff are open to constructive criticism but I'm thinking they'll probably tell you the same thing--if you don't like it, don't read it. It's a free country. #crime
@Manuel Calavera, Reaper Supreme: I think you're misleading yourself into thinking "blog article" and "news article" are the same thing. I'm pretty sure any and all bloggers are entitled to write whatever the hell they want to write about. Why, you could start your own blog, and complain about how all the other blogs aren't writing about what you like!
There's always follow-ups. Even in the news.
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@dajungki: It's probably more because he's in Japan and they're making a big deal out of it. And yeah, I clicked the article because I thought it might be something substantial, at the very least. I was wrong, obviously. I don't click on the Day/Night Notes, I don't click on something if I see AJ's name is on it beforehand, and I don't click on articles about some dumb new character revealed in FFXIII. I just think this is a waste of PRECIOUS internet space. #crime
What gets me, is the fact that Xbox 360's are quite difficult for a normal person to mod/hack, and very hard to keep from being banned. I understand why some people do it, hell, I have a hacked PSP to play my Translated Policenauts on, and Original Xbox is Hacked so I can use XBMC, and all the emulators, but something like 360 just seems too much hassle to me.
P.S: Before somebody says, yeah. I have played a few isos on my PSP, but only to check them out, to see if they're worth getting. Sometimes you can't tell from a review.
@splatternick: No your wrong on the average person can't do it for the 360. Now it's pretty much automated as long you can read and comprehend.
Sorry but the lines of avg and tech people able to modify consoles (minus PS3) is pretty blurry since almost anyone can do it but for the people who pay for others to do it either are too cautious or believe that they can't do it.
Now I'm not saying everyone should do it (to mod it and frankly while I was guilty of it don't see a good reason to do so besides personal research and to NOT make a profit out of it) but the misnomer of thinking it's too hard or complicated doesn't cut it these days.
Congrats XB360 as your popularity is about to be the new PS2 of your era (for home console), with a big library of games and the easy use to mod it. #modernwarfare2
Last time I checked, you had to have a certain model of Xbox 360, and you needed certain special tools to flash/hack it.
I'd say, at the end of the day, it'll cost you quite a bit after you've brought all the things you need.
DVD Burner - £30/$40
Recordable DVD's - £20/$30
And the tools you need to flash the 360, and the different drives you need to install, plus the modchip makes the price quite high. Add in the fact that downloading 360 iso's takes a long time, and some people are too impatient to wait.
I know what you mean about average people being able to mod 360's now, but even then, they're still in the minority. #modernwarfare2
@splatternick: Comparing to when I first did it to whats available now by far it easier but I no longer have a working 360 anymore nor do I care to get one. The only major expense besides dual layer burner and media was getting a Kreon dvd drive (to backup my own media mostly JPN import).
@PoweredByHentai: I just recently soft modded my PS2 so I can beat Ar Tonelico II by getting a patch for my US version (as in I own the original game) but the only way to play it is by modified PS2. I later got a Undubbed version which all the sounds were actually Dolby Digital when I found out that the US version didn't have a DD track (which they advertised). I can totally understand why you modded yours. It's true once you unlock your system, you have a certain responsibility to not to abuse it. #modernwarfare2
I am a musician and artist and I find that if you give the customers a good experience without financially devastating them and really deal with them personally you will solve the problem. Music, movies and video games have went out of their way to squeeze every dime out of their fans and exploit their devotion at every turn. The fans response is a lack of respect for the creators and publishers of the product there for making them not feel guilty about piracy. Why would someone feel guilty for stealing from Activation when they have among other publishers and developers release unfinished games, broken peripherals and so on. I'm not supporting piracy, but this is what happens when a industry abandons and exploits it's core fan base. Woodstock 99 was the perfect example of an unorganized resistance. When faced with $10 bottles of water the crowd destroyed everything. Most of the crowed was just idiots but thats how society works. Unconscious civil disobedience. They where pushed to their limit of being exploited. Maybe game publishers should think about correcting their own behavior before pointing the finger at the pirates. #modernwarfare2
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Death is what he wants, thus it is not what he should get. The bastard should rot in prison for the rest of his life. #crime
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He's not even human in my eyes, just a rabid animal that needs to be put down before he kills someone else. #crime
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Killing him quickly: too easy for that scum
Letting him live: too expensive
Letting him rot and go insane: better and cheap (1mx1m concrete room and that's it) #crime
11/09/09
No person has the right to take the life of another. Why justify his power trip by dishing out the same punishment for his crime?
Humanity shouldn't be ashamed of life imprisonment.
Even moreso, justifying torture...?
Worse than killing people straight out, in my book. #crime
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whatever they decide to do to this guy, i'm sure it'll be decided upon rightly and justly. I just don't think you guys are being fair by clamoring for or against he death. either way nothing is accomplished. those 7 aren't coming back, their families are still going to miss them and the killer's family is still going to wonder what happened to their son. #crime
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I most strongly feel this way against people who molest children. I think they should be burned alive as an example to any other sick minded bastard out there.
I honestly do not believe that someone who practically destroys the rest of a young one's life, the chance to be forgiven. #crime
11/09/09
The penalties for crimes against children have reason and yet so have the numbers for perps. It's not a deterrent and we keep raising the bar on what we consider a child in this day and age.
Then there's the argument that whether it's a completely conscious decision to prey on children or if someone is born with the attraction as a sort of mental sickness. i.e., does someone choose a sexual orientation? If so, can they be faulted the same as someone who becomes a serial murderer, who was decidedly not born with their problem?
My point is, in this country, we don't take enough time to plot and communicate with the people in order to find ways to prevent crime, and when we do, we kill those programs because they cost so much. And we don't take mental health seriously in this country. And we let tweenagers run rampant without parental supervision and pretty much let them raise themselves. We simultaneously let them grow up too fast while stripping them of character building responsibilities and rewards that were the norm decades ago.
So I still don't think killing people outright solves anything. If anything it just gives immature people more reason to lie in order to off the people they don't like. #crime
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Someone has to keep the bloodlusters compromising! #crime
11/09/09
There's no such thing.
It's like too much money.
It's like a girl too pretty.
It's like too much class.
Being too lucky.
A car too fast.
There's an old Franklin saying, "Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge." Show mercy, show forgiveness, while still showing authority, still showing justice.
Worst punishment imaginable? Then I'll imagine "life imprisonment with no parole". I'll file anything that keeps him from breathing as "unfathomable". #crime
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But you're right, we should try to understand these people to be able to stop it from happening, and I'm in no way defending those idiotic sexed up hannah montanniacs. I'm just talking about a normal bleeding child lol. It's parents, culture and Disney to blame for the ridiculous clothing of some young kids these days.
I of course cite the Jonas Brothers South Park episode in that case. #crime
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Separate the criminals by tiers. You put all the "death row" inmates together. Rapists together. Assault/battery/robbery together. Non-violent together. You put child molesters in with the "death row" inmates.
Problem solves itself. #crime
11/09/09
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Noah #crime
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We shouldn't let murderious nutcases go, but we also have to be concerned with killing innocents. the system isn't perfect, nor can it ever be. #crime
11/09/09
Helps keep the peace, and generates revanue.
I say bring back chain gangs for non-violent crimes, and throw the animials into solitary for life. #crime
11/09/09
The Hammurabi's law is outdated. You can't punish a killer by killing him. There's a problem with the principle of that... It hinders the credibility of the justice system if you sentence a killer to death 'cause then you'd basically be punishing him with the same crime that he's convicted of.
And it's not justice that people don't have the right to kill, but the law does. If killing is a crime then you can't make an exception about it. And death can't be a punishment dealt by the justice system since killing is illegal. Otherwise you're just kind of making the law seem empty and meaningless - contradictory. #crime
11/09/09
While I admit you have a point I think the main difference between the public killing and the law killing is when the public does in the form of murder it is seen in an unjust manner. If the law sentences someone to death for their crimes it is to remove the problem. Which may sound cruel but without the death penalty people can murder and then go into a prison system and continue to kill. Now the tolls have gathered.
This debate is always tough to make a decision on. In my honest opinion if nobody killed anyone then who would care about the punishment. So what is the point anyhow. #crime
11/09/09
The death penalty is not punishment, rehabilitation, justice or anything. It is simply a way to attempt to remove problems from society. That doesn't work, it's never been proven to even stop any crime, why is it even there?
Let me ask you this, would you rather remove all the pimples from your face as they come, or try to attempt the pours from never clogging so you never have a problem.
Society is a huge face of some teenage kid, and he's going about his pimple problem all wrong. He picks at them, burst them, and squeezes them to try to get rid of them. If he would just use some medicine (figurative), let them slowly regress, and become normal pours again, he would have much less of a problem, and leave no scars on his face.
So instead of scaring our face and not fixing the root problem of this ugly acne infected face, hows about we cleanse the pours to stop the pimples from coming up period. #crime
11/09/09
Really? You can't think of any other way to stop him from doing that again? And you think that he'll kill more people once/if he gets out of prison, for sure?
Are you serious?
How about keeping him in lock-up and letting him out when he's - say - pushing 70?
Also, I don't wanna hear anything about the taxpayers' money here. In a debate like this someone always throws in the tax money argument... Which is ridiculous 'cause usually the person who gives that comment hasn't really thought about A) how much tax income the state gets per year B) what kind of percent of that money is used on maintaining prisons C) how much money does it cost to maintain a single criminal.
How big a portion of a tax payer's money goes to keeping this guy in prison? How big a portion of Japan's yearly tax income is spent to keep this one person in prison?
I can tell you it's not much. In fact it's nearly nothing. And this man's life, even though he did what he did is surely worth more than "nearly nothing".
To him, his life is all he has. And you have to understand that as well.
In real life there is no such thing as evil people. Sure, people do awful, unforgivable things. But it's not as black and white as good and evil and life and death.
That'd be just plain ignorance talking.
The bottom line in what I'm trying to say is that nobody has the right to decide wether or not somebody lives or dies. This man took that right into his own hands and that's why he's in prison. That's his punishment. He's been put into quarantene outside the society because he's not fit to live within the society.
But the law, that's supposed to set an example of how the society is supposed to work, can't make the decision that this man's life can be erased. It's jut justice. It's hypocrisy. #crime
11/09/09
That'd be just plain ignorance talking."
The irony of that statement is delicious. #crime
11/09/09
Although I shouldn't be, I didn't expect this to turn into a discussion of the death penalty so quickly.
Let me just say this:
I was there. Across the street. I saw it all. I heard it all. The crash, the truck, the stabbing, the people, the aftermath....
I never really understood PTSD until then. (Thankfully I suppose.)
One of my questions for the concierge when we got back to the hotel hours later was "Do you have the death penalty?" I had never been really been supportive of its use until then.
Also, I would say, I'm not as supportive now as I was then, but at some level, shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? That's the underlying premise. It's not necessarily the deterrence of crime, but the balancing of justice (scales, etc). If you take a life, why should you keep yours? It's not just that the law has the authority to kill (and people don't), its that they are balancing the crime against the victim. (In some law codes this actually was the responsibility of a closest relative, Judiac - 'Avenger of Blood'.)
I'm all for trying to treat the root cause of the problem, as it is a better solution, but to lock someone up and throw away the key presents two issues to me.
1. The criminal still has life, and the victims do not. He can eat, sleep, and probably read and exercise. All of which are aspects of life I really enjoy. Why can he decide that the victims' lives can be erased when his will not be?
2. If your intent is to have him be as miserable as possible in prison for the rest of his life, it sounds like you wish upon him the intent of 'hell'. Hell doesn't exist, but the idea of locking someone up so they can be in torment for as long as possible is the premise. (Interestingly the connotation of word for 'torment' in the original language was related to that of a jailer.)
All that being said. I would say that I cannot judge Kato. I have neither the ability nor the desire to truly determine what he deserves. I cannot tell in his heart if he is truly repentant. I cannot decide if he deserves to die; ('Judge not, lest ye be judged'.) And ultimately I don't have to. Japan's government has the authority, and the law of Japan allows for the death penalty. I'm not going to get upset if he is put to death. I saw his crimes, but I also know, for me, that if it is the wrong decision, there is someone who can correct it. #crime
11/09/09
I am a big believer in pro choice. But on this subject I think it isn't something that can be clear cut like that. I have been close to people and had them taken away by murder and it is not something that you can explain. The idea that someone robbed someone you know of their life astounds you and it makes a deep change in your outlook. I would say that it is mostly revenge acting out. And while revenge is a big cause of murder not everyone acts on it. I would have to say that if I wanted the person that comited the crime to be killed for punishment I am as guilty as he. But not in the sense that I comitted the act but I had wanted the same result. Before I was in that situation I had always been on the fence about the subject. Afterward I was wanting him to be executed. But now I feel that people should be given a bit more time to reflect on their deeds.
I say that with caution though. I think there are always special conditions to decisions like this. If someone gets wrongly accused and charged for murder then get the death penalty there is no way to take that back after they flip the switch. It happens often. But in the case of serial murderers and rapists, cannibals and kidnappers, I think the death penalty should be withheld for those select. Not as an act of punishment but as a form of relief. the people that perform those acts are clinically insane and it would not do any good to keep them in a cage until the commit suicide. Release is not an option for those people.
It is a subject that people can spend days on end discussing but sadly it is a lengthy process to change and not enough people are willing to put the time forth.
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: I agree with you 100% on this. It is a perfect metaphor.
But the problem with that approach is when you take something as vast as death and categorize it into types then take the situations that constitute murder and accident and other profiles it becomes blurry. Something as complex as murder is not clean cut every time. In fact it very rarely is. Some people consider neglect murder. Some say that certain circumstances such as self defense and fear or insanity can make murder OK. But asking for murder to be stopped all together is a big task.
People have been killing since it all began. It would be a great world if it all stopped but assuming that it can actually happen is somewhat vain. If you were to ask all of humanity to come together as one and understand that murder gets us nowhere and the fact that it is a pointless act, while it is a hopeful accomplishment, it is near impossible. People comit more crime than ever and it starts small. From speeding and littering to piracy and theft. While it is the perfect answer to the problem there is no work to show proof.
Like in school when your math teacher made you show your work. It wasn't to make you do more work. It was to show you knew how to get to the end result. Anyone can go copy the answers but if you just have a question and an answer with no knowledge of how to traverse that gap, have you learned anything? #crime
11/09/09
But you know we can go on about this forever and the last one to post their comment on the irony of the previous poster's comment has the right to feel that, "I'm better" #crime
11/09/09
I wish not to partake in your senseless argument with others. It would serve no purpose. I just couldn't resist pointing out that delicious morsel.
You don't have to be combative and attack anyone who replies to you. #crime
11/09/09
If a person takes the life of another person, should the punishment to be taking their life? What have we accomplished? What has been done? Instead of one person dead, we have two people dead.
Make that persons life worth something, and worth the lives of the people he killed. Don't just simply write him off as a life for a life. Make his life improve the lives of others, let his life foster more life, but taking a life as a solution to taking a life is a absurd cycle that leaves only death. #crime
11/09/09
Let me just say it like this. If somebody were to, in cold blood, and the most vicious way murder my littlest brother, I would wish him death. I may even be tempted to stoop to his level and kill him, and the hate and rage I get from even thinking about is immense. But it's all empty. My brother is dead, and now he is dead, wheres the justice? Where's the opportunities my brother had, the chances he had, everything. It's all gone, and now so is the man. It's nothing but a pointless emptiness. Now, lets say this man isn't just killed, but instead is rehabilitated, and his whole life is devoted to helping the lives of others. At least now, my brothers life was not taken in vain, at least his death made something, it meant something. There is meaning, and while I will still never probably forgive this man, I can know my brothers death wasn't just some pointless occurrence that ended with "one less criminal in the world".
There are a multitude of ways we can get closer to achieving that. And while we aim for this perfect world that we will never have, that should never stop us from attempting to make it. #crime
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There are many other animals out there that I personally believe truly deserve to be erased form society, a fine example being the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs.
Google "3 guys 1 hammer" and prepare to lose all faith in humanity (and some nations' legal systems). #crime
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Living with remorse is a far harsher punishment than being killed for it. #crime
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He's had time to reflect, accept, and change... and everyone can change. Everyone. However, our penal system (USA, I won't speak for other countries) is set up very, very poorly for any true rehabilitation. It is society's burden to bear their incarceration costs until such time as they can serve a fair sentence because their crime is a reflection of society on them (especially so in the young).
The problem, as I see it, is that the sheer amount of societal problems these days has led to a crime-rate that is too high. This has lead to prison overcrowding and the revolving door effect, because the system is not working how it was intended.
Instead of these people who act violently getting the help and time they need to repent and change, they're being thrown into a vicious cycle of violence. So then, what? They've fucked up in life and we're actively failing them, so they need to be put down like animals? I'll hold myself to a higher standard than that, even if the rest of the world falls into such moral corruption as would allow it.
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That video makes me angry. It gives me pure genuine rage. Not even just at the idiots who did it, but at everything. It makes you want to change something, it makes you want to DO something.
Humans are quick to seperate themselves from animals, but look at the atrocities only we can commit. If we aren't animals, we are far worse. #crime
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[www.techzonez.com] #crime
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Yeah, sounds absurd, but anything can happen when you die. We can control what happens here though, so lets keep him in the realm of the living, so we know what is happening to him for the actions he took. #crime
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No really, I'm genuinely curious, because there have been a number of articles that aren't game-related at all. In fact, some are just casual emails between staffers about movies or kids or other everyday stuff. And I quite like it.
There's always the good ol' "If it doesn't interest you, don't read it!" argument, but surely you were aware of that. You just wanted to stir up a bit of excitement, you sly dog you! #crime
11/09/09
Wrong. This is actually related to both games and japan (the two themes of this blog!), as Akihabara is in Japan (gasp!) and is a major center for otaku (WTF!) activities like video games (O-M-G!).
Consider this a follow up, pretty sure Kotaku has posted news on this before. #crime
11/09/09
@Kicken: Except... It's just a killing that happened to occur in Akihabara? The district itself is well known for video games, yes, but it's not like it has a direct connection to vidya gaems. He didn't actually kill a bunch of dudes because Ninja Gaiden came out. I took a shit after playing Ballad of Gay Tony earlier, want me to write an article about it?
@Jehuty: I remember when it actually happened, so I'm not unfamiliar with the circumstances, dipshit. "In light of the tragic circumstances"? It happened a year ago and this is about one sentence in a letter he wrote to some guy. You have to admit this isn't newsworthy to begin with, let alone on a "game" blog. #crime
11/09/09
While I don't think your criticism is irrational, we have to remember that Kotaku is free. As readers we have the freedom to read what we want, and in turn the editors have the freedom to report on what they want. I'm sure Kotaku staff are open to constructive criticism but I'm thinking they'll probably tell you the same thing--if you don't like it, don't read it. It's a free country. #crime
11/09/09
There's always follow-ups. Even in the news.
Edit:
"God damn it! I know it's going to be sunny today! I've heard about it since last week in the 7 day forecast!"
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toaster - bathtub full of water... over and done with. #crime
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P.S: Before somebody says, yeah. I have played a few isos on my PSP, but only to check them out, to see if they're worth getting. Sometimes you can't tell from a review.
11/07/09
Sorry but the lines of avg and tech people able to modify consoles (minus PS3) is pretty blurry since almost anyone can do it but for the people who pay for others to do it either are too cautious or believe that they can't do it.
Now I'm not saying everyone should do it (to mod it and frankly while I was guilty of it don't see a good reason to do so besides personal research and to NOT make a profit out of it) but the misnomer of thinking it's too hard or complicated doesn't cut it these days.
Congrats XB360 as your popularity is about to be the new PS2 of your era (for home console), with a big library of games and the easy use to mod it. #modernwarfare2
11/07/09
Last time I checked, you had to have a certain model of Xbox 360, and you needed certain special tools to flash/hack it.
I'd say, at the end of the day, it'll cost you quite a bit after you've brought all the things you need.
DVD Burner - £30/$40
Recordable DVD's - £20/$30
And the tools you need to flash the 360, and the different drives you need to install, plus the modchip makes the price quite high. Add in the fact that downloading 360 iso's takes a long time, and some people are too impatient to wait.
I know what you mean about average people being able to mod 360's now, but even then, they're still in the minority. #modernwarfare2
11/07/09
@PoweredByHentai: I just recently soft modded my PS2 so I can beat Ar Tonelico II by getting a patch for my US version (as in I own the original game) but the only way to play it is by modified PS2. I later got a Undubbed version which all the sounds were actually Dolby Digital when I found out that the US version didn't have a DD track (which they advertised). I can totally understand why you modded yours. It's true once you unlock your system, you have a certain responsibility to not to abuse it. #modernwarfare2
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