80's - we had the Atari in the beggining of the 80's, yeah, it was late, but better than never. It was the most popular console through the eighties.
90's -
NES - Was never really popular here, a little amount of people had the original NES imported from the US or the Famicom imported from Japan (those japanese descendent friends from school come to mind) hehehe. Nes' licensed clones like Phantom System and Bit System, from brazilian company Dynacom were very popular here, more than the NES itself, although it was the same console with a different skin.
Master System - Immensely popular around here in the 90's, yeah, I know, 80's consoles were popular here in the 90's, but the latest consoles were also around. It was officially supported and released by Tec Toy, the same company that released that third world console Zeebo nowadays.
Mega Drive (Genesis) - Huge success, also with official support from Tec Toy, it was supported until 2002. That's right, it lasted looooong and it was very succesful. Mind that games had the right price, and piracy wasn't that popular, the prices were good, and there were plenty of rental stores (which don't exist today anymore, because of piracy). Sega CD and 32x were also officialy released and supported.
Super Nintendo - Also a great success, with official support from Playtronic, a brazilian brand that had a partnership with Nintendo. It was sold until 1999 more or less, I guess, I don't remember it properly. But almost all of the games were launched in the same day as they were in Japan and United States (same with Mega Drive)
There WAS piracy for Mega Drive and Super Nintendo, but it wasn't as huge as for the CD and DVD based machines, because in the cartridge time, the games were less expensive.
Saturn - Released officially in 1995, was CRUSHED by the Playstation, just like the rest of the world. Officially released, with prices somewhat expensive for games, but still officially supported. But only diehard Sega fans had it, the Playstation crushed it with its library and the huge selection of pirated games.
Nintend0 64 - released officially in 1996, lasted until 2001, more or less. Officially supported by Playtronic, just like Super NES. Somewhat pirated, but the pirate games were expensive, so the few who had this console, most likely had original games.
Playstation - Imported, started the piracy boom in Brazil. Everyone and their mom had pirated CD's for 5 reais (2.50 dollars, that's right) against games that normally cost more than 80 dollars (it wasn't that expensive compared to what we have today) still, the piracy won.
Dreamcast - Again, officially released and supported, but almost all of the people that had it played pirated copies, it wasn't a huge success, but a small one among followers.
Gamecube - Was also officially released by Playtronic, as the last officially released console from a joint-venture in the country with a good price tag. wasn't a Success, because the PS2 crushed it (just like the PS1 did with Saturn and N64).
PS2 - Same story as the PS1, it got here as soon as it was released, and modded really soon. The original games` prices were VERY HIGH already because Sony never released it officially. They didn't, because of the piracy. Officially released in 2009, almost 2010, making us brazilians look very stupid...
Xbox - Only knew two people with one, imported, not officially released, of course. I do have one nowadays because I really like it and I'm a collector. Wasn't even close to a success. The small amount of those who had it pirated its games or brought them from the US, as you could almost never find them in stores.
Xbox 360 - Brought here in 2005/06 as soon as it was released, and modded afterwards. It was officially released in 2006 by Microsoft, just like the PS2, because they saw potential in the market. But they are still clows selling it with a higher price than imported consoles. Today I saw that there was a price drop, to 600 dollars on an official store, it's still expensive, but it's a start!! Fan base split between modders and people that care about live and buy original games.
PS3 - Selling like hotcakes, somewhat, around here, after the price drop. It's a good move because it's unpirateable and it's still selling a good amount. Available on every electronic/game store, but not officially released.
Wii - Just like the Xbox, there are pirates and official games, and a split fan-base. It's selling very well, just like every place in the world. NOT officially released, but officially imported by Latamel, a partner of Nintendo.
I excluded portables, but Game Gear, Game Boy, DS, DSi, etc, etc. Are all available here, with the last officially released one being Gameboy Advance, the others are imported. PSP is also around, imported, also modded like hell by a lot of people...
And now, the truth.
Mega Drive, Master System, and older consoles ARE still around. But they aren't available on bigger stores like FNAC, or UZ GAMES, or Saraiva Mega Store. They are only available on stores geared towards low waged people like Casas Bahia and Americanas. They don't have cartridges anymore, just games in their memories, and they sell for roughly 100 dollars, I know, still expensive!
But it's not like you'll go to UZ GAMES (kinda like our version of Gamestop) and find it. You'll ONLY find seventh generation stuff, current portables and the PS2.
It took a while for me to write this, but you guys have to understand that the Mega Drive isn't popular with hardcore gamers here, they are sold to people that don't have a lot of money and parent's that really don't know better and end up buying them from confusion for their kids. Oh, I do play Mega Drive, but because I'm a retro-fan and I play lots of older stuff. But ask a brazilian kid with a good financial situation what a Mega Drive is...he/she won't know... they don't even know what the Game Boy is...
@LucasReis: The part of this I hate? Buying 3 PS3 games is to buy a new PS3. And stupid soccer moms arguing with videogame stores clerk about how come her son bought a "violent videogame with robot dinossaurs and blood everywhere" not realising that she was the one who bought a MGS4 Bundle. And then she just goes away with a copy of "Dragon Ball Z". for PS2.
Games comes out in Japan. Is in the bargain bin by the second week. Millions of copies flood the used market by week 3.
A year later the game comes out in America likes it's brand new. But not before the gaming press slowly leaks information about the game that anybody who imported said game would already have known a year ago.
Just to add supplement to the "Canadians pay $20 more" issue:
When I got NSMB Wii from Roger's Video it was $10 more than any other Wii game (which brought it on par with 360/PS3 prices). In other words, that game was $30 more.
@dowingba: could it have possibly been because you baught a video game from a rogers, here in sault ste. marie, Ontario, its rather common to get fucked if you have to resort to buying a game from rogers or blockbuster. someone the other day complained when i offered him 20 bucks trade in for borderlands, a game he baught for 69.99 day one from BBV, when ebgames and futureshop both had it for 37.99. Learn up son
@JYJ705: Not all of us live in areas that have other options. I realize it's Roger's fault, which is why I specified that it was Roger's in my comment. But hey, it comes part and parcel with being a Rural Canadian nonetheless.
@JYJ705: Rogers have some decent sales on too, and arn't always 10 bucks more then EB.
Infact, as a shot against EB, BBV and Rogers both have WAYYYY better deals on used games, and their sales seem to be better at times (buy 2 get 1 free deals are awesome at rogers)
@Scazza: i'll give you that, i got gh:A from there for 10 bucks months before the price dropped on retail copies, so ya it's not always terrible, but for a new release, yikes. also, ya i forgot one major part of being canadian is the possibility that you live in a place with one(sometimes none) video game stores. at least here in ssm we only lack an arcade... man i wish we had one
@bluetom00: Not sure what your problem with the grammar is. The text is clearly in headline, not sentence, format and conveys meaning in a clear and understandable way.
@Bloodoflamb: No: "one of the most violent crime rates on earth." Crime rates can't be violent. They can be high. They can measure the incident of violent crime. But in and of themselves, crime rates can't be violent.
I'm a nitpicky bitch about this stuff, but you did inquire. :)
Yeah, but Canada gets those insane deals at Wal-Mart. Like, $39.98 for Borderlands and Arkham Asylum on the day of release. I feel like that makes us even. :p
@GunFlame: After the rumour that there was not going to be dedicated servers in AvP, a lot of people were dismayed so at least in this case, the announcement was needed.
In other cases, I think it's just as good to know that there'll be dedicated servers because as MW2 proved, you can't take anything at face value these days.
I find that very hard to believe. The ESRB is more likely to give tough ratings than light ones. A game could be rated PG-13 if shot as a film with all the offending scenes left in, yet would be rated M as a video game.
For example, Band Hero got hit with more heavy edits than Radio Disney and yet it got a E10 for "Mild Language". They blocked out "Whiskey" in "American Pie" for pete's sake and the ESRB still nailed them with that tag.
Probably the best example of mis-rating was Oblivion. Not because of the whole freakout over the hidden nude textures, but because the game was given a T-rating despite the copious gore in the game. I really don't think entering a necrophile'd chapel with rotting limbs strewn about and blood on the walls and floor is fit for a T rating, and it happened often enough that it really makes me question the content of the video Bethesda sent the ESRB if they thought a T rating was originally appropriate.
@deanbmmv: No...no...I meant only the Foot was doing the Cockney accent. See, the foot represents the working class as they often have to hike tirelessly back and....aaah...fuck it.
You got me, I've been watching My Fair Lady again...
I still find it strange that Super Smash Bros Brawl got a 'T' Rating, considering most of the stuff in it isn't any worse than a Tom & Jerry cartoon.
I know I have seen a few titles get 'T' Ratings and thinking "What? This title is much worse that (insert M Rated game)," but I can't think of them off the top of my head right now.
If I'm not mistaken, yes, it's a twenty-minute trailer.
Be glad they don't have to play something like Oblivion from start to finish before it gets released (although this has been suggested).
(While I'm on the subject of Oblivion, *for example*, I think it should have been rated Mature, but not because of the topless hacks: the violence in the game seemed a little intense at times for a Teen rating, and I think what really made me think this was walking into this one room, for one of the side quests, in which a murder has scattered people's dismembered and bloody body parts, complete with his dead mother's head. Maybe I'm wrong, but that seemed a bit much for what the ESRB would have found acceptable for a teenager.)
But yes, I'd say that Oblivion is a comparatively tame Mature game (or an oft-intense Teen game).
There was this old PC RPG called Soulbringer where you could take a pickaxe and knock someone's head off, causing blood to spurt everywhere. That game was rated Teen.
@dracosummoner: Well obviously they wouldn't do the whole game, but I would think there'd at least be SOME hands-on along with information about it. I was honestly surprised to hear they just use a video. How does ANYTHING get appropriately rated? They can just hide it..
@mr_godot: I noticed that back when it originally happened, but thank you. Hence why I referred to the ESRB's original reason for the re-rating (the PC modification that took female characters' tops off) as opposed to the reason(s) I think that the game really should have been rated Mature from the get-go (and not just because of one rare scene of true gore). #speakup
@dracosummoner: Yeah, I meant to clarify in case it sounded like I was trying to be a smartass- you're still right, I was just clarifying the re-rating.
Oh, no, it's fine -- *I'm not talking about you or any specific person,* but I can definitely see how someone who hadn't been following the Oblivion situation *from the beginning* (this happened so soon after the game's initial launch that I would imagine that there are many people who are none the wiser) might not understand what I was talking about.
I have to ask: Is your username a reference to the Samuel Beckett play? (Also, thank you very much for your being so considerate! ^_^)
@dracosummoner: Alas, though I've done a fair bit of acting, Beckett's masterpiece is only a secondary reason for my name, the primary being the prosecutor Godot from Phoenix Wright 3. His profile image from the game is my image here.
As for being considerate: nobody is these days, you know? Especially on the internet. It takes so little effort to be pleasant and so much to be angry, so I went with the happier choice.
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hmmm...
01:29 PM
80's - we had the Atari in the beggining of the 80's, yeah, it was late, but better than never. It was the most popular console through the eighties.
90's -
NES - Was never really popular here, a little amount of people had the original NES imported from the US or the Famicom imported from Japan (those japanese descendent friends from school come to mind) hehehe. Nes' licensed clones like Phantom System and Bit System, from brazilian company Dynacom were very popular here, more than the NES itself, although it was the same console with a different skin.
Master System - Immensely popular around here in the 90's, yeah, I know, 80's consoles were popular here in the 90's, but the latest consoles were also around. It was officially supported and released by Tec Toy, the same company that released that third world console Zeebo nowadays.
Mega Drive (Genesis) - Huge success, also with official support from Tec Toy, it was supported until 2002. That's right, it lasted looooong and it was very succesful. Mind that games had the right price, and piracy wasn't that popular, the prices were good, and there were plenty of rental stores (which don't exist today anymore, because of piracy). Sega CD and 32x were also officialy released and supported.
Super Nintendo - Also a great success, with official support from Playtronic, a brazilian brand that had a partnership with Nintendo. It was sold until 1999 more or less, I guess, I don't remember it properly. But almost all of the games were launched in the same day as they were in Japan and United States (same with Mega Drive)
There WAS piracy for Mega Drive and Super Nintendo, but it wasn't as huge as for the CD and DVD based machines, because in the cartridge time, the games were less expensive.
Saturn - Released officially in 1995, was CRUSHED by the Playstation, just like the rest of the world. Officially released, with prices somewhat expensive for games, but still officially supported. But only diehard Sega fans had it, the Playstation crushed it with its library and the huge selection of pirated games.
Nintend0 64 - released officially in 1996, lasted until 2001, more or less. Officially supported by Playtronic, just like Super NES. Somewhat pirated, but the pirate games were expensive, so the few who had this console, most likely had original games.
Playstation - Imported, started the piracy boom in Brazil. Everyone and their mom had pirated CD's for 5 reais (2.50 dollars, that's right) against games that normally cost more than 80 dollars (it wasn't that expensive compared to what we have today) still, the piracy won.
Dreamcast - Again, officially released and supported, but almost all of the people that had it played pirated copies, it wasn't a huge success, but a small one among followers.
Gamecube - Was also officially released by Playtronic, as the last officially released console from a joint-venture in the country with a good price tag. wasn't a Success, because the PS2 crushed it (just like the PS1 did with Saturn and N64).
PS2 - Same story as the PS1, it got here as soon as it was released, and modded really soon. The original games` prices were VERY HIGH already because Sony never released it officially. They didn't, because of the piracy. Officially released in 2009, almost 2010, making us brazilians look very stupid...
Xbox - Only knew two people with one, imported, not officially released, of course. I do have one nowadays because I really like it and I'm a collector. Wasn't even close to a success. The small amount of those who had it pirated its games or brought them from the US, as you could almost never find them in stores.
Xbox 360 - Brought here in 2005/06 as soon as it was released, and modded afterwards. It was officially released in 2006 by Microsoft, just like the PS2, because they saw potential in the market. But they are still clows selling it with a higher price than imported consoles. Today I saw that there was a price drop, to 600 dollars on an official store, it's still expensive, but it's a start!! Fan base split between modders and people that care about live and buy original games.
PS3 - Selling like hotcakes, somewhat, around here, after the price drop. It's a good move because it's unpirateable and it's still selling a good amount. Available on every electronic/game store, but not officially released.
Wii - Just like the Xbox, there are pirates and official games, and a split fan-base. It's selling very well, just like every place in the world. NOT officially released, but officially imported by Latamel, a partner of Nintendo.
I excluded portables, but Game Gear, Game Boy, DS, DSi, etc, etc. Are all available here, with the last officially released one being Gameboy Advance, the others are imported. PSP is also around, imported, also modded like hell by a lot of people...
And now, the truth.
Mega Drive, Master System, and older consoles ARE still around. But they aren't available on bigger stores like FNAC, or UZ GAMES, or Saraiva Mega Store. They are only available on stores geared towards low waged people like Casas Bahia and Americanas. They don't have cartridges anymore, just games in their memories, and they sell for roughly 100 dollars, I know, still expensive!
But it's not like you'll go to UZ GAMES (kinda like our version of Gamestop) and find it. You'll ONLY find seventh generation stuff, current portables and the PS2.
It took a while for me to write this, but you guys have to understand that the Mega Drive isn't popular with hardcore gamers here, they are sold to people that don't have a lot of money and parent's that really don't know better and end up buying them from confusion for their kids. Oh, I do play Mega Drive, but because I'm a retro-fan and I play lots of older stuff. But ask a brazilian kid with a good financial situation what a Mega Drive is...he/she won't know... they don't even know what the Game Boy is...
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01:26 PM
A year later the game comes out in America likes it's brand new. But not before the gaming press slowly leaks information about the game that anybody who imported said game would already have known a year ago.
12:52 PM
When I got NSMB Wii from Roger's Video it was $10 more than any other Wii game (which brought it on par with 360/PS3 prices). In other words, that game was $30 more.
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#speakup
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Infact, as a shot against EB, BBV and Rogers both have WAYYYY better deals on used games, and their sales seem to be better at times (buy 2 get 1 free deals are awesome at rogers)
01:51 PM
#speakup
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The comedy is fairly weak, though.
01:29 PM
I'm a nitpicky bitch about this stuff, but you did inquire. :)
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#speakup
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#speakup
12:14 PM
Also, I thought that the MegaDrive was the last console released in South America. Or have they already gotten the Atari Jaguar?
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As it is the PC standard to have dedicated servers, it wouldn't be surprising if that is how it was developed.
Is every game that is going to be released now going to say that they will have dedicated servers just because MW2 didn't?
02:33 AM
We where biting our nails in anticipation for this and no Dedicated servers would kill the HUGE battles i remember in AvP 2.
02:49 AM
In other cases, I think it's just as good to know that there'll be dedicated servers because as MW2 proved, you can't take anything at face value these days.
11/19/09
For example, Band Hero got hit with more heavy edits than Radio Disney and yet it got a E10 for "Mild Language". They blocked out "Whiskey" in "American Pie" for pete's sake and the ESRB still nailed them with that tag.
11/18/09
11/18/09
Foot: "Allow der' ow are ew?"
Gun: "I'm doing fine. Sorry mate, I'm gewng to haf to shoot you now!"
Foot: "oooh...."
PEW!
/Dunno why I did it in an English /Cockney accent...
11/18/09
how many 'French/cockney' accents do you know of?
p.s the dialect inflections you've used don't imply cockney anyway.
Seems almost Dorset. Maybe Yorkshire.
Cockney would of ended with "PAAAAAATTTTTT" anyway.
11/18/09
You got me, I've been watching My Fair Lady again...
#speakup
11/18/09
11/18/09
I know I have seen a few titles get 'T' Ratings and thinking "What? This title is much worse that (insert M Rated game)," but I can't think of them off the top of my head right now.
11/18/09
Sounds like the problem isn't "Devs try to cheat the ESRB" but instead "The ESRB is too lazy to do anything more than watch a video"
11/18/09
If I'm not mistaken, yes, it's a twenty-minute trailer.
Be glad they don't have to play something like Oblivion from start to finish before it gets released (although this has been suggested).
(While I'm on the subject of Oblivion, *for example*, I think it should have been rated Mature, but not because of the topless hacks: the violence in the game seemed a little intense at times for a Teen rating, and I think what really made me think this was walking into this one room, for one of the side quests, in which a murder has scattered people's dismembered and bloody body parts, complete with his dead mother's head. Maybe I'm wrong, but that seemed a bit much for what the ESRB would have found acceptable for a teenager.)
But yes, I'd say that Oblivion is a comparatively tame Mature game (or an oft-intense Teen game).
There was this old PC RPG called Soulbringer where you could take a pickaxe and knock someone's head off, causing blood to spurt everywhere. That game was rated Teen.
11/18/09
#speakup
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#speakup
11/19/09
If you were offended, apologies.
11/19/09
Oh, no, it's fine -- *I'm not talking about you or any specific person,* but I can definitely see how someone who hadn't been following the Oblivion situation *from the beginning* (this happened so soon after the game's initial launch that I would imagine that there are many people who are none the wiser) might not understand what I was talking about.
I have to ask: Is your username a reference to the Samuel Beckett play? (Also, thank you very much for your being so considerate! ^_^)
#speakup
11/19/09
As for being considerate: nobody is these days, you know? Especially on the internet. It takes so little effort to be pleasant and so much to be angry, so I went with the happier choice.
11/18/09