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    YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice

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    Image of Blore07 Blore07
    01:35 AM

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    First "Valve stole my zombies" now "IW stole my warfare".

    Excuse me while I go salvage my shattered faith in humanity. #modernwarfare2
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    12:22 AM

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    Modern *What*fare? Never heard of it. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of TSFMfest - not funny TSFMfest - not funny
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    Bahahahahaha.
    This is delicious. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of Olliver Kirby Olliver Kirby
    11/09/09

    @TSFMfest - not funny: YES! YES! #modernwarfare2
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    Image of Pezdispenser Pezdispenser
    11/09/09

    @TSFMfest - not funny:

    YESH! #modernwarfare2
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    Image of CMay CMay
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    It looks like activism on Joker's part, since I'm fairly positive you cannot in any way copyright or patent a game idea like that. Surely they didn't copy the AC-130 gunship model from an old mod, so there's very little that Joker could legally do. YouTube just doesn't have the time to look into every claim so your content becomes guilty until proven innocent.

    I would guess that this is just to send a message to Infinity Ward, that hey, if you're going to benefit from the creative ideas of modders, don't shut them out completely by disallowing modded dedicated servers. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of ChicagoRyan ChicagoRyan
    11/09/09

    @CMay: How did IW benefit from his work? Did IW also steal ideas for the other killstreak rewards as well? Harrier, stealth bomber, chopper gunner, etc.?

    The truth is, he was the one who used IW's work to put a hackjob of an AC130 into his mod. The assets he used came from the MW single player campaign. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    @ChicagoRyan: Keep in mind I know absolutely nothing about his mod, so if his model wasn't original then ignore that bit. However, what I did already say is that IW has not legally stolen anything at all from Joker and that this is probably nothing more than activism over mods/modified servers allowing the sharing of an idea they're using.

    I didn't say Joker was in the right, or that this is fantastic in any way, but it isn't unprecedented for people to argue over how much a commercial game benefits from player modifications without rewarding the player for them. Some ideas are really small, but make all the difference while other ideas are huge and just suck. Hard to measure. At least in this case, I'm sure Joker has no legal justification for anything and it's just harassment. #modernwarfare2
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    CMay was starred CMay was unstarred
    Image of illiniphase4 illiniphase4
    11/09/09

    @CMay: If a think0tank can copyright the concept of an MMO, and Nintendo can copyright an IP, I see no reason why Joker can't make a copyright infringement argument about a unique piece of code that he wrote. #modernwarfare2
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    CMay promoted this comment illiniphase4 was starred illiniphase4 was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @illiniphase4: Sorry, but there's no way in hell they used any of that guy's "unique bit of code" for MW2. It just doesn't work like that.

    And even if they did, there'd be no way to prove it. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of illiniphase4 illiniphase4
    11/09/09

    @Opuelas: You're overlooking the fact that they don't need to steal the exact code for it to be copyright infringement. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    @illiniphase4: It doesn't sound like this is about code or models or any actual original copyrightable work. Their complaint is that the feature is influenced by a mod they made, but in reality his mod was likely influenced by the real military just as the game itself is.

    This is a far cry from copyrighting an entire completed MMO, a logo, or a mario theme song. Even if they complain the implementation of the feature is too similar, it goes back to being inspired by the original influence.

    There was an argument between 2 companies who developed 2 separate pool games, and one was crying that the other company stole their idea for how certain interface elements were displayed. The case was dismissed on the ground that you can't just copyright an idea like that and both of them had different code/art.

    What you would have to do if you wanted to protect that kind of idea is file for a patent. However, patents have to live up to certain requirements and if they aren't sufficiently uncommon enough they will get laughed away. Good luck patenting the idea of an AC-130 gunship flying over an area and shooting things. Good luck patenting a life bar that simply visualizes an amount of progress. #modernwarfare2
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    CMay was starred CMay was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @illiniphase4: No actually, I am not overlooking the the case of intellectual property. I was asserting that they wouldn't actually use his code for their replica, but now that you mention it he can't claim that case either. Putting aside the fact that there was no copyright infringement since Joker has no claim to any of the assets he used in his mod or the way in which he did use them, from a design standpoint he tweaked the ruleset for a game made by Infinity Ward. This isn't a Half-Life to Counter-Strike kind of mod we're talking about here.

    It's not his property, but he gets kudos for making a spiffy mod which was recognized by the owners of the game he was modding, and being ballsey enough to humiliate them all over the gaming interwebs in a hilarious way. #modernwarfare2
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    CMay promoted this comment Opuelas was starred Opuelas was unstarred
    Image of KamuZ KamuZ
    11/09/09

    The only way to protect your idea is to patent it which is not the case in here. Now, if IW used the code from the modder (copy paste) then the modder can challenge copyright infringement. If they didn't do it, read it as "cool idea, lets do this in our own way", then it is perfectly fine.
    I am not a lawyer but i am a software developer and this is how it works. That is why people is afraid of Software Patents (which USA really wants to push) or Patents of trivial ideas, but this is topic for another discussion. #modernwarfare2
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    CMay promoted this comment KamuZ was starred KamuZ was unstarred
    Image of Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition ([k]) Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition ([k])
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    Infinity Ward just got served. I love it. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of TexasJack TexasJack
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    Sad how many people are quick to flame the guy and simply don't get it. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of MrBounce MrBounce
    11/09/09

    @TexasJack: I agree, I've played Joker's mod before and it's a heck of a piece of work and he had every right to get mad about it (edit: "it" being the kill streak). The sad part is none of this would have happened if IW had just kept dedicated servers and kept people happy...
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    Edited by MrBounce at 11/09/09 8:26 PM MrBounce was starred MrBounce was unstarred
    Image of SacGamer SacGamer
    11/09/09

    @MrBounce: He really doesn't have any right to be mad. He doesn't own the game, he can't claim changes he made to the game as his property. #modernwarfare2
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    TexasJack promoted this comment SacGamer was starred SacGamer was unstarred
    Image of TexasJack TexasJack
    11/09/09

    @MrBounce: It's not just the dedicated server issue though, it's the disallowing of mods too.

    @SacGamer: And you just don't get it. Whether or not he owns the content is not the issue here. I don't think he would have cared if IW didn't basically piss in his face by taking his idea and not allowing any mods with MW2. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    @TexasJack: He doesn't really have any right to be upset about that either. I don't think there should be mods online. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    FLAWLESS VICTORY

    (minus the destroyed AC-130s of course) #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    So, does PST*Joker want compensated monetarily, or is he just being pissy?

    I get he's angry, but what is the end game he is going for? What's the point?
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    Edited by dry-roasted-peanuts at 11/09/09 7:24 PM dry-roasted-peanuts was starred dry-roasted-peanuts was unstarred
    Image of Salen Salen
    11/09/09

    @dry-roasted-peanuts: If I had to guess, I'd say it's the same thing Mister Dog Pound Guy With A Funny Dog Mask wanted...

    To make a big name game give him free moneys to shut the heck up. If it worked again Madden... why not CoD:MW2? #modernwarfare2
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    Image of Firelance is Addicted Firelance is Addicted
    11/09/09

    @dry-roasted-peanuts:

    Mod support.
    Dedicated Servers.
    Everything PC Gamers stood for... #modernwarfare2
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    Image of DukeOfPwn DukeOfPwn
    11/09/09

    @dry-roasted-peanuts: While it isn't some major blow, I think the point is to do at least some damage to a company that PC loyalists believe to have screwed them over. If it really was a modification before and IW made no note of that, I would consider it a very below-the-belt move, and that they deserve much more than a PR gameplay video being removed. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of RockyRan RockyRan
    11/09/09

    @dry-roasted-peanuts: Think about it. Joker's mod (which I heard is extremely good) is part of a practice that isn't possible in MW2. Despite the fact that IW prohibited modding on the PC version, they still had the gall to take a modder's idea from the previous game and implement it. IW basically admitted that modding can be an important part of the game development process if the mod ideas are good enough, but IW still felt like being dicks and prohibiting it.

    The fact that Joker claims copyright infringement is hardly the point here. It's the fact that IW hypocritically said that no mods was the best thing for the series yet they turned around and copy-pasted a stellar mod from the previous game. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of ChicagoRyan ChicagoRyan
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    So this clown Joker takes content that he ripped off from the single player campaign, puts a hacked up low quality version into his mod that very few people even bother to play, and then wants to file a DMCA takedown request against IW for using HIS ideas. Sounds like someone has been hitting the crack pipe a little bit too hard lately.

    Unfortunately Youtube has been very trustful when it comes to DMCA takedown requests. It usually reacts to requests without any actual investigation. As such, that is the only reason that PSTJoker was able to get away with his bogus claim. Otherwise Youtube would have told him to fly a kite, especially considering that IW is a paid sponsor of theirs.

    #modernwarfare2
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    Edited by ChicagoRyan at 11/09/09 7:16 PM ChicagoRyan was starred ChicagoRyan was unstarred
    Image of Firelance is Addicted Firelance is Addicted
    11/09/09

    @ChicagoRyan: I don't think you deserve your star. Last time I checked, it was his idea. It still counts. #modernwarfare2
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    Image of ChicagoRyan ChicagoRyan
    11/09/09

    @Firelance is Addicted: It was not his idea, the AC130 assets that he used were in the single player campaign which was created by IW.

    Additionally, he has no protection per the EULA even if he did create something original. So if he had created a completely original sniper rifle that shot guided bullets, and IW put it in, he'd still have no right to file a claim. As a modder, he has no rights to his content if IW chooses to use it even as a copy/paste job. Anyone with two working eyes and ears can see that IW's version of the AC-130 is superior to his mockup.

    Also consider this concept. Any studio out there can put an AC-130 into their game that is player controlled, and not even IW could do a thing about it. How many military games have had jeeps or hummers in them?

    PSTJoker was just being a bitter lunatic. The tactics we keep seeing by the extremist hardcore PC community is on the verge of e-terrorism. Threats of violence, company disruption, even talk about trying to manipulate stock prices to push Activision into financial ruin, it's a joke. I'm a PC gamer, and I am ashamed of the behavior of some of these guys.

    #modernwarfare2
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    Edited by ChicagoRyan at 11/09/09 7:40 PM ChicagoRyan was starred ChicagoRyan was unstarred
    Image of -MasterDex- -MasterDex-
    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    I doubt he has any recourse but I think he did the right thing. The modding community has done a lot for Call of Duty that the majority console gamers will likely never know about and IW stole from them and gave them the finger while they did it. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    @-MasterDex-:
    Well, we can always follow in his footsteps and support him in the lawsuit, if there is one. #modernwarfare2
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    -MasterDex- promoted this comment Firelance is Addicted was starred Firelance is Addicted was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @Firelance is Addicted: Very True.

    The People vs Infinity Ward

    I quite like the sound of that! #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    they should try and hire him instead. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    @kitsuneconundrum: Just for insight on how to further piss off the modder community. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    In reply to YouTube Yanked This Vid Off Infinity Ward Channel — on Modder's Takedown Notice
    Thats hilarious. I fully support this action, after seeing so many good vids get taken down because of two seconds of song by Song BMG or something. #modernwarfare2
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    11/09/09

    In reply to German Mag Claims Ubi Demanded Positive Review on Assassin's Creed II [Update]
    Why cant we just have reviewers reviewing games? Is it really that hard to let them give you an honest critique. I liked AC1, I'll buy AC2 regardless of what the review says based on #1 and the list of improvements.

    This is why i think all games systems should require a demo of all published games to be released at the latest 1 week before the title releases. Because i can tell what i will like with about 5 minutes of demo time. I dont need a game review score to know if the game is my cup of tea or not.

    Didnt this happen with Batman too? Was there even a need to ask for high scores on that game? #assassinscreedii
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    Squiffy promoted this comment ShaggyB was starred ShaggyB was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @ShaggyB: Publishers don't want an honest critique. They want sales. #assassinscreedii
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    Image of Dinosaur Sr Dinosaur Sr
    11/09/09

    In reply to German Mag Claims Ubi Demanded Positive Review on Assassin's Creed II [Update]
    How is this really any different from the bags of swag every editor gets all year long? We don't condone the behavior when it's called what it is, but as long as you are being coy about it, everything is fine. #assassinscreedii
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    11/09/09

    In reply to German Mag Claims Ubi Demanded Positive Review on Assassin's Creed II [Update]
    This is what happens when you tie developer bonuses and payouts to Metacritic scores. #assassinscreedii
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