This is getting a little off topic, but I fail to see the big interest in being "openly gay".
I could care less what you do in your own bedroom, nor does it "bother" me to see two men kissing, women holding hands, etc.
However, I am not "openly straight", a friend of mine does not proclaim her bisexuality on tshirts or on her gamertag. It's not something you normally bring up in conversation. I cannot remember ever bringing up my sexual orientation in casual conversation.
Gay, lesbian, straight or bisexual. It just doesn't matter. Once people stop identifying themselves by their sexual preference, and start seeing themselves as complex, interesting people (of which being gay is only a facet of the whole), then we can all move on from this silly debate.
Oh, and to the haters and homophobes out there. Seriously, what is your problem? If you weren't going to kiss him when you thought he was straight, why would you suddenly be scared of him sexually now that you know he is gay?
@Phantom_Photon: It's not necessary, but what does it hurt? People like to define themselves by setting themselves apart, as well as the like minded people they relate to. People sometimes use the word nerd negatively, so now people openly label themselves nerds, and make it a point of pride. Gamers themselves are often portrayed as fat, lazy introverts who live in their parents' basement.
Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourselves to prove them wrong. When was the last time you saw a gay character on TV that wasn't a flamboyant caricature? Sometimes it's hard to be seen as a complex, interesting person when others try, unintentionally or not, to reduce you to that.
@Phantom_Photon: As has been said here time and time again, heterosexuality is the default. It is the assumed sexual orientation. Homosexuals who choose to accept who they are must declare their sexuality to the people in their lives- this is an issue that heterosexuals just are not faced with.
Being openly gay doesn't mean you shout it from the rooftops or wear it on a shirt. It doesn't have mean any more than you not hiding your sexual preference from anyone when it comes up in conversation. It means if you're out for a drink with some new co workers and one of them asks if you want to be hooked up with some friend of theirs you tell them you're gay and aren't interested in dating women. You hide nothing.
@Phantom_Photon: It would be pretty amazing if your sexuality never came up in any conversation. Have you ever had a relationship and referred to that person by his/her name or gender? This morning at work I heard 3 different people talk about their weekends with their straight partners. I think that's perfectly normal conversation. I talked about my partner too; where I work it's no one has ever acted like it's anything but normal (one of the reasons I moved to Portland). I've heard many people that I'm just meeting in a professional context refer to their husband or wife. I don't know them but I know they're straight. I'm usually a bit more hesitant to mention my partner in the exact same way because I don't know their beliefs and I don't like to be judged.
Can you imagine what it must feel like to not to know whether someone is going to judge you as a pervert/sinner/morally depraved/mentally ill/pitiful/sexual deviant just from having normal conversation? It sucks.
Obviously you're not against gay people, but I think many people who aren't gay don't realize just how often it comes up, and how much of yourself you have to hide if you don't want people to know.
And I really sympathize that anyone would be judged negatively based souly on their sexual preferences.
However, I don't see players proclaiming their sexual preferences on their cars, their hockey jerseys, their mailboxes, etc.
Let's be honest here, it's easy to proclaim your sexual preference on XBox because it is anonymous.
Instead of taking an area where you can be judged based on everything EXCEPT (online) your sexual preferences, instead you create a situation where you are advertising them (by putting your sexual preference in your gamertag).
AND LET ME MAKE ONE THING CLEAR: I do not condone the rampant asshats that cause shit when someone with a LGBT handle comes online. If you want to advertise your sexual preferences publicly, you should be free to do so without fear of harassment.
However, pragmatically, there is no reason to advertise your sexual preferences online. By changing your gamertag to show your "gay" status, it's not just coming up in casual conversation. You are advertising it, and you're baiting the morons.
You don't shout it from the rooftops, or wear it on a shirt, or place it in your gamertag!
That would just be dumb! :-)
I used to work with the ex-head of the Vancouver LGBT community. His wish was that the Pride Parade (coming up this weekend, second most attended parade in the city after the Santa Clause Parade!) would consist of people wearing polo shirts and business suits.
I just think if you want people not to pigeonhole you, you shouldn't label yourself.
Especially when it's completely irrelevant (I mean, honestly who gives a damn about whether the person you're playing Halo against is straight or gay?).
(PS: I totally agree about the Hollywood representation of homosexuals. It does seem to be getting a little better though.
And to be fair, I get upset about Hollywood's depiction of White, Heterosexual Males. To quote NOFX:
"Don't call me white, Don't call me white
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
The connotations wearing my nerves thin
Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
I understand that language breeds stereotype
But what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite?
I wasn't brought here, I was born
Circumsized, categorized, allegiance sworn,
Does this mean I have to take such shit
For being fairskinned? No!
I ain't a part of no conspiracy,
I'm just you're average Joe.
(It) Represents everything I hate,
The soap shoved in your mouth to cleanse the mind
The vast majority of sheep
A buttoned collar, starched and bleached
Constricting veins, the blood flow to the brain slows
They're so fuckin' ordinary white
We're better off this way
Say what you're gonna say
So go ahead and label me
An asshole cause I can
Accept responsibility, for what I've done
But not for who I am
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
")
I know it was brought up in a previous article, but how do people feel on the subject of delineating between (at least text-wise) "gay" and "ghey"? I've seen both commonly used, and because it can be hard or impossible to discern in voice chat, let's leave that aspect out of this.
@Mastrix: The only reason people use "ghey" is to get around filters. THEN people said it had a different definition to not look like pricks. It's the same thing, only without the cajones to stand behind your right to say whatever you want, whether it's offensive or not.
It's like if I spelled the N word with three g's instead and then tried to convince my next door neighbor it was ok to call his daughters that. Good luck to me.
If you haven't seen this, you should take a moment and watch this video from Gaymers.net. The thing I found so shocking was the guy saying, "I wanna hang you. Because you're gay. It's not nice, but it's true."
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@Limeade: It's the unfortunate truth that some people are just that stupid, by which I mean ignorant of basic human decency and of every individual's right to be treated fairly.
I spent a large part of my teenage years fighting for gay rights. And even though I don't have as much time to do so as an adult, I still contribute to the cause when I have the opportunity. So believe me when I say that I've met more than my share of that type of idiot.
I know that it's a bit hypocritical of me to be preaching tolerance and calling people "idiots" in the same sentence, but I've just about lost my patience with people who insist on being hateful for essentially no reason.
While I'm not gay myself, the majority of my friends are (yes, awkward moments do arise) and I constantly see appalling displays of intolerance. It just blows my mind that in an age where it's widely understood that sexism and racism are wholly unacceptable, people are still openly discriminant of GLBTs.
@Zorantor: I wholeheartedly agree that there is a great deal of hostility for GBLT's (never used that abbreviation before!) and it comes from people who are basically ignorant. It might be that tolerance for others was not part of the education they received, or it might be that intolerance WAS part of the education they received.
Either way, get a bunch of people like this together in a lobby and add someone with a gay gamertag and you will see some serious intolerance.
My response to this problem was to stop ANY sexual preference referencing going on in XBL. It's sadly impossible for Microsoft (or anyone else) to change the attitudes of these people, so remove the catalyst.
I do now feel a bit sad that that was my response, it's rational, but let's face it, it's not very sympathetic. My honest opinion is that people should be free to express who they are wherever they like.
Sadly "fAgHaTer18" will want to express himself too.
@Zorantor: I appreciate your post and the activism. Perhaps one day all 'minorities' will have the same equality and equal rights that are deserved. With discussions and panels like these, and articles like kotaku is posting about gay and female issues in videogames, it at least gives more visibility to the problem. So we can do something about it in our own way, even if it is just by interacting with each other on a more humanizing level via these discussions.
I honestly used to feel that a person who was gay was weird and I was under the "I hate gays" umbrella. But now I have expanded my thoughts, I honestly dont care if a man or women is gay. Its not my business. I do not think like that but hey if they can then whatever, its their way of acting so it shouldnt really bother someone unless their acted upon.
But if I would be acted upon I would feel really awkward and do something irrational. Just the same way as if a guy randomly kissed an unsuspecting girl. She (probably would but things vary) take offense.
The only thing that still bothers me about some gay people is there need to overly flaunt that they are gay. I mean if your gay thats fine, but I dont really care I mean I just find it annoying to excessively show your sexuality. I dont have it yelled across the world that I am straight and I dont plan to.
*This is just a personal annoyance but, I dislike it when people get mad at using the term gay to make a joke. I mean I rarely get offended about anything.(once again i realize this is just me) So i cant stand people that get offended over every. little. thing. I mean its a joke im pretty sure there are some jokes you could make about me due to my skin color or hell anything else.
(Just my two cents throw it in a well if you wish.)
@Torak3015: lol, yep bein gay is fine, but.... those overly fucking patriotic fags make me want to go out on a killing spree, and most of the gay people i know have the same thing to say.
@ninjaweedman: ... am I the only one that sees something wrong with this statement? If anything the "killing spree" part? I know you're not being serious but this is one step towards making the gaming community a bit of a better place; treating eachother with respect. Just like you don't like how someone who is gay flaunts their sexuality, I'm sure people probably don't like you flaunting that you own/pwn/kicked their ass in a game. Same sentiment.
@Mastrix: yeah you're right, but its just the way i speak. like it or not its not gonna change the extreme manner in which i describe things. i really am a level headed person and know how most will react. : )
@ninjaweedman: Fair enough, though I would argue that knowing how they will react and knowing how you will affect them are two separate things that need to be considered individually.
@Mastrix: But this is assumed that the person actually cares how they take whats being said. I honestly dont care if anyone dislikes what I say, and if I did I would have to be silent. Hell if we all truely cared we would have to walk around with duct tape covering our mouths 24/7.
@Torak3015: Ah, but even if you don't hold a banner at all times stenciled with 'I'm straight', you probably still act in such a way to make people assume you are straight. From the flamboyant gays' point of view, are you just as bad as they are from yours?
There's always a fair amount of debate in the gay community over those who 'overly flaunt that they are gay'. The queens are rejected by a number of groups -- tremendously hypocritical in my view, as it's a microcosm of the way the wider community treats all gays. Civilisation is always going to be full of subgroups nested within subgroups; everyone belongs to at least one. The only honest approach is to live and let live.
@Torak3015: Did you stop to consider that because heterosexuality is the "default" and pre-assumed sexuality of everyone from birth, people flaunting their "gayness" are, on some level, sending "cues," visual and otherwise, to other members of their community to say "I am one of you?"
Perhaps if you understood why this happens, you'd be less likely to be annoyed by it?
we are funny things us humans, some, just wana get over all the bullshit and move forward, and others run around blindly protecting their traditions and living inside little cardboard boxes.
Only those insecure about their sexuality would be driven to hate on the idea that another man could possibly like another man. They might not admit it but that is the only reason I can see for it.
They are no different from normal people, just their sexual preference. Liking men is not a contact disease, talking to them is not going to make you all of a sudden interested in men. They are not going to try to touch, I mean would you go up to a girl and just grab her more private areas? if you are a sane person probably not. Same logic applies here.
Racism and Homophobia will not go away in my life time I feel. Not on the internet where you are afforded an anonymous voice. One needs to learn how to accept things for how they are, rather then trying to stick with a norm. The idea of liking a man is so socially "different" it "threatens" the norms of society which is a reason why you have people fearmongering or angermongering at the very thought.
@ninjikiran: Agreed, but I have an unfortunate counter-argument that I have discovered while looking at all the comments in these threads. Just as some of us are adamant about speaking out against homophobia and racism, others are just as adamant about hating/disregarding those things, based on their own belief. As someone who believes everyone should be allowed to believe what they want, this is the hardest thing for me to say, but they are allowed to hate. That isn't to say that I like it, or that I'll let them get away with unfounded slandering (if they can defend their point with sound statements, then by all means), but it's part of the conundrum. It's what has made me lose the drive to even comment on these things, because I know at least here, few things will be resolved.
Huh. Someone actually listened to me in regards to the reporting system.
Is there a transcript or video somewhere? Because, honestly, the only thing I love more than hearing myself talk is hearing someone else talk about me.
Did they use my video, too, perchance? I bet that kid calling me a faggot every ten seconds didn't bank on it hitting the internet.
I deal with more "gay-bashing" in real life than I do in the gaming universe. Also I use the word "gay" (ironically mind you) and whenever people give me a hard time about using "gay" in a negative way I just clarify that I am gay and have every right to use it anyway I choose! It has become kind-of like the word "nigger", in the sense that it's only okay for gay people to use; which I think is ridiculous.
Personally: I have no problem with people using "that's so gay" and others just as long as they understand that there is nothing wrong with being gay. It's also a perfectly good word to refer to gay people.
While i have no real interest in being "PC" or anything like that...i think it definitely says something about a person when as soon as they are angry immediately jumps to calling people "n----r." Although there's definitely the possibility that you don't really mean anything by it, when you're constantly throwing out racial slurs whenever you're mad, by using those terms in that way you're definitely associating being black/gay/whatever with something "bad."
Kevin Smith from Killer 7 is gay, and I love Kevin.
Not because he is gay, but because he is a silent killer who can turn invisible and throw knives at people.
Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy 7 is straight, and I hate Cloud Strife.
Not because he is straight, but because he's a whiny bitch who needs to learn how to get over things and stop acting like a 4 year old.
I personally don't mind the sexual orientation of my game characters. Hell, not my singers or actors too (Judas Priest ftw!) There are some people out there who will mind, and they will always mind, because of the social impacts religion had on our society. I think it comes to a point where we all have to accept no matter how much you tell some people, they will not understand you and will always be against you. This of course doesn't mean you would stop fighting for equality in things like marriage rights, but honestly there will always be people on Xbox Live going "HEY FAGG0TZ U GUYS R NOOBS GO DIE GO DIE GO DIE."
The one thing that bothers me is that people try to get defensive about using the terms gay in slang. It annoys the hell out of me when I'm ignorant because I said "That is some gay stuff man." or something. No, I'm not homophobic, I don't hate gays, I walked around with No on 8 signs for goodness sake, a simple slang term that has been changed to mean something else completely shouldn't determine someones entire person. Yeah, just had to say that.
So personally, I believe that if you can handle a characters traits responsibly, you can make him marketable to any radiance.
Imagine if Snake was gay, but it wasn't revealed to the end of the game, and it wasn't laid on people with tutu's and crap, but rather a mature situation with him and his partner. Yes, people would be shocked, but would they like Solid Snake any less? For me personally, no, after all he has done throughout the game he would still be the same amazing character, to some that could change their whole perspective, but I guarantee you it will be a better reaction then something like those two dudes from God Hand.
@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: Nice point. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that people just can't handle seeing something that they're not used to. It used to be absolutely taboo to see a homosexual earlier in the century, and these days (with the exception of right wingers, or is it left? I don't pay attention to politics, one big load of bollocks imo) homosexuality is just becoming an everyday part of life. Sooner or later things will settle down and people will learn to accept things for what they are, and cold fusion will also be attained, along with flying cars, homelessness will no longer exist, no more crime....well..anyways. What I'm trying to say (I think) is that we can hope things will be better (not just for the gays, and other "minorities" (I use the term in quotations because the term itself in my eyes is degrating)) but probably never will be, but that it is nice to see that there are people around with open minds.
On a side note...I think you totally just spoiled the ending of the next Metal Gear game...
@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: I'm going to have to disagree with you on the use of gay as slang. Gay essentially means something undesirable when used in that context.
To me that's the same as if somebody said "that's so faggoty" or something similar.
Having something that defines who/what you are as an individual be used as a pejorative is wrong imo.
I used to use gay as a pejorative quite a bit, so I know what you're trying to say. I did it just because all my friends did, and still do occasionally. However, I'm trying to catch that and use that word less.
@Sutekh_Slain: Gay means happy, fagot means stick. I don't define a homosexual dude as a gay or a faggot, I define him as a guy. I define me typing half of that previous comment, then losing it to clicking outside the box, very very gay though.
Maybe it's just that gay guys are so normal to me I don't really use that to classify them, I know gay people, if you asked me to tell you about them I probably wouldn't mention it unless you asked, because I wouldn't even think about it.
Basically, when I think homosexual men, I think Judas Priest (AWESOME RIGHT?) and when I hear the word gay, I think of being forced to play Super Man 64 during my break time of testing E.T.
@(Zombie) Jolan: But in all seriousness it is an overreaction. I am legitimately a bastard (ironic I know). But just because I was born to a single mother doesn't mean I hear bastard as a personal insult, its only being said because in that context it is a generic perfectly acceptable insult. Very few curse words have anything to do with their literal translations. When was the last time you were actually implying that the guy who cut you off on the road engaged in sexual acts with a maternal figure?
@(Zombie) Jolan: Bastard also means "irregular" and "resembling a known kind of species or type, but not being of that species or type." A good example of this is the bastard sword used in D&D.
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@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: I have no real problem with people using 'gay' as negative slang every once and a while. But I grow annoyed if the person using it is constantly using it in every other sentence they speak, or use it in every manner of negative way to describe something. And personally, I just find the use of 'gay' as slang to be pretty ridiculous.
The only thing I worry about is for those people that cannot differentiate between gay as 'innocent' slang and gay as homosexuals. The ones who may actually think to themselves, "Gosh, if gay means something negative, like stupid, then that must mean gay people are something negative." And then start associating both concepts as something negative and to be disliked, ridiculed, or worse. But other than that concern, like I said, I have no real issue.
Now this, THIS, is why I stick to Kotaku and not to other gaming sites. Because the different commenting system here allows for a greater gamer community that can easily cooperate and chat with each other, and not be separated by the madness of the trolls that try to fling mud and pound sand in desperate attempts to start wars.
And the star commentators, while sometimes veering off the golden road, have proven to be a dependable bunch in times of need, and in dire straits of discussion in the community in general.
Off my head, [bialia, Curse_Lily, excel_excel, Masterdex, the7k (a recent newcomer from Jan!), LIIusionX, Komrade Kayce, Witzbold, Archaotic, and BubbleF**kingBuddy (my condolences for not being able to change your name anymore!)] for Kotaku. In Gizmodo, there exists OMG! Ponies (perhaps the greatest commentor to have lived), and his pal GitEmSteveDave, and Kaiser-Machead, and some others which are equally important. And don't forget about the multinationals! (I'm looking at you, fuchikoma.) Apologies if I forgot anyone's names.
Sorry, Joystiq/Engadget, but this is why I love Kotaku. Well, that, and your crappy commenting system compared to the Gawker Network. (And hats off to the Lifehacker and Gizmodo community, as well! Kudos to everyone for making this such a better place to comment in!)
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Fuck being PC, if I or anyone else has the urge to call someone "Gay" or a "n----r" online or shout out "Dumbledore dies!", i should be able to do it. Playing shooting games online can cause quick stress on the mind because timing means everything, meaning people are going to be extra impulsive, as opposed to playing a slow-paced game like chess. When people are impulsive, they tend to spout out the first thing that comes to mind that the brain believes can satisfy their impulsive "urges". Thus, slurs are going to be tossed around quite frequently. Deal with it.
@Moar_pr0nz: There's a difference between throwing around these terms in a rage and just being a jackass for the hell of it, and actually actively using these things based on feeling of hate/prejudice, though both do make you look like a total jackass
@Moar_pr0nz: Acting like a piece of human trash in order to do better in a fucking a video game is one of most pathetic excuses I've ever heard. Just own up to being a racist, intolerant jackass and stop trying to excuze your disgusting behavior as a legitimate tactic so you'll be better at shooting guys.
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@Moar_pr0nz: That doesn't explain why you can't exchange such explexitives for unbigoted alternatives.
I have no problem w/ trash talking with your buddies, it is all in fun. But with complete strangers you should have the sense not to use such hateful language.
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I could care less what you do in your own bedroom, nor does it "bother" me to see two men kissing, women holding hands, etc.
However, I am not "openly straight", a friend of mine does not proclaim her bisexuality on tshirts or on her gamertag. It's not something you normally bring up in conversation. I cannot remember ever bringing up my sexual orientation in casual conversation.
Gay, lesbian, straight or bisexual. It just doesn't matter. Once people stop identifying themselves by their sexual preference, and start seeing themselves as complex, interesting people (of which being gay is only a facet of the whole), then we can all move on from this silly debate.
Oh, and to the haters and homophobes out there. Seriously, what is your problem? If you weren't going to kiss him when you thought he was straight, why would you suddenly be scared of him sexually now that you know he is gay?
07/21/09
Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourselves to prove them wrong. When was the last time you saw a gay character on TV that wasn't a flamboyant caricature? Sometimes it's hard to be seen as a complex, interesting person when others try, unintentionally or not, to reduce you to that.
07/21/09
Being openly gay doesn't mean you shout it from the rooftops or wear it on a shirt. It doesn't have mean any more than you not hiding your sexual preference from anyone when it comes up in conversation. It means if you're out for a drink with some new co workers and one of them asks if you want to be hooked up with some friend of theirs you tell them you're gay and aren't interested in dating women. You hide nothing.
07/21/09
Can you imagine what it must feel like to not to know whether someone is going to judge you as a pervert/sinner/morally depraved/mentally ill/pitiful/sexual deviant just from having normal conversation? It sucks.
Obviously you're not against gay people, but I think many people who aren't gay don't realize just how often it comes up, and how much of yourself you have to hide if you don't want people to know.
07/22/09
I don't think you should have to hide it at all!
And I really sympathize that anyone would be judged negatively based souly on their sexual preferences.
However, I don't see players proclaiming their sexual preferences on their cars, their hockey jerseys, their mailboxes, etc.
Let's be honest here, it's easy to proclaim your sexual preference on XBox because it is anonymous.
Instead of taking an area where you can be judged based on everything EXCEPT (online) your sexual preferences, instead you create a situation where you are advertising them (by putting your sexual preference in your gamertag).
AND LET ME MAKE ONE THING CLEAR: I do not condone the rampant asshats that cause shit when someone with a LGBT handle comes online. If you want to advertise your sexual preferences publicly, you should be free to do so without fear of harassment.
However, pragmatically, there is no reason to advertise your sexual preferences online. By changing your gamertag to show your "gay" status, it's not just coming up in casual conversation. You are advertising it, and you're baiting the morons.
07/22/09
I agree wholeheartedly!
You don't shout it from the rooftops, or wear it on a shirt, or place it in your gamertag!
That would just be dumb! :-)
I used to work with the ex-head of the Vancouver LGBT community. His wish was that the Pride Parade (coming up this weekend, second most attended parade in the city after the Santa Clause Parade!) would consist of people wearing polo shirts and business suits.
07/22/09
I just think if you want people not to pigeonhole you, you shouldn't label yourself.
Especially when it's completely irrelevant (I mean, honestly who gives a damn about whether the person you're playing Halo against is straight or gay?).
(PS: I totally agree about the Hollywood representation of homosexuals. It does seem to be getting a little better though.
And to be fair, I get upset about Hollywood's depiction of White, Heterosexual Males. To quote NOFX:
"Don't call me white, Don't call me white
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
The connotations wearing my nerves thin
Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
I understand that language breeds stereotype
But what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite?
I wasn't brought here, I was born
Circumsized, categorized, allegiance sworn,
Does this mean I have to take such shit
For being fairskinned? No!
I ain't a part of no conspiracy,
I'm just you're average Joe.
(It) Represents everything I hate,
The soap shoved in your mouth to cleanse the mind
The vast majority of sheep
A buttoned collar, starched and bleached
Constricting veins, the blood flow to the brain slows
They're so fuckin' ordinary white
We're better off this way
Say what you're gonna say
So go ahead and label me
An asshole cause I can
Accept responsibility, for what I've done
But not for who I am
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
Don't call me white, Don't call me white
")
07/21/09
The founder of my WoW guild (The Spreading Taint) was supposed to be on the panel, but somehow there was a mixup. So I'm glad that he got a shout-out.
I also miss Flynn, but it's good to know he's still out there doing his thing.
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It's like if I spelled the N word with three g's instead and then tried to convince my next door neighbor it was ok to call his daughters that. Good luck to me.
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I spent a large part of my teenage years fighting for gay rights. And even though I don't have as much time to do so as an adult, I still contribute to the cause when I have the opportunity. So believe me when I say that I've met more than my share of that type of idiot.
I know that it's a bit hypocritical of me to be preaching tolerance and calling people "idiots" in the same sentence, but I've just about lost my patience with people who insist on being hateful for essentially no reason.
While I'm not gay myself, the majority of my friends are (yes, awkward moments do arise) and I constantly see appalling displays of intolerance. It just blows my mind that in an age where it's widely understood that sexism and racism are wholly unacceptable, people are still openly discriminant of GLBTs.
07/21/09
Either way, get a bunch of people like this together in a lobby and add someone with a gay gamertag and you will see some serious intolerance.
My response to this problem was to stop ANY sexual preference referencing going on in XBL. It's sadly impossible for Microsoft (or anyone else) to change the attitudes of these people, so remove the catalyst.
I do now feel a bit sad that that was my response, it's rational, but let's face it, it's not very sympathetic. My honest opinion is that people should be free to express who they are wherever they like.
Sadly "fAgHaTer18" will want to express himself too.
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But if I would be acted upon I would feel really awkward and do something irrational. Just the same way as if a guy randomly kissed an unsuspecting girl. She (probably would but things vary) take offense.
The only thing that still bothers me about some gay people is there need to overly flaunt that they are gay. I mean if your gay thats fine, but I dont really care I mean I just find it annoying to excessively show your sexuality. I dont have it yelled across the world that I am straight and I dont plan to.
*This is just a personal annoyance but, I dislike it when people get mad at using the term gay to make a joke. I mean I rarely get offended about anything.(once again i realize this is just me) So i cant stand people that get offended over every. little. thing. I mean its a joke im pretty sure there are some jokes you could make about me due to my skin color or hell anything else.
(Just my two cents throw it in a well if you wish.)
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There's always a fair amount of debate in the gay community over those who 'overly flaunt that they are gay'. The queens are rejected by a number of groups -- tremendously hypocritical in my view, as it's a microcosm of the way the wider community treats all gays. Civilisation is always going to be full of subgroups nested within subgroups; everyone belongs to at least one. The only honest approach is to live and let live.
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Perhaps if you understood why this happens, you'd be less likely to be annoyed by it?
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They are no different from normal people, just their sexual preference. Liking men is not a contact disease, talking to them is not going to make you all of a sudden interested in men. They are not going to try to touch, I mean would you go up to a girl and just grab her more private areas? if you are a sane person probably not. Same logic applies here.
Racism and Homophobia will not go away in my life time I feel. Not on the internet where you are afforded an anonymous voice. One needs to learn how to accept things for how they are, rather then trying to stick with a norm. The idea of liking a man is so socially "different" it "threatens" the norms of society which is a reason why you have people fearmongering or angermongering at the very thought.
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Is there a transcript or video somewhere? Because, honestly, the only thing I love more than hearing myself talk is hearing someone else talk about me.
Did they use my video, too, perchance? I bet that kid calling me a faggot every ten seconds didn't bank on it hitting the internet.
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Anyone found to be displaying that kind of behavior should just have their gold subscription permanently removed.
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Personally: I have no problem with people using "that's so gay" and others just as long as they understand that there is nothing wrong with being gay. It's also a perfectly good word to refer to gay people.
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Seriously?
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Ya know what, Imma let this one go...
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Can someone please close the innuendo? It's a bit drafty in here.
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Not because he is gay, but because he is a silent killer who can turn invisible and throw knives at people.
Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy 7 is straight, and I hate Cloud Strife.
Not because he is straight, but because he's a whiny bitch who needs to learn how to get over things and stop acting like a 4 year old.
I personally don't mind the sexual orientation of my game characters. Hell, not my singers or actors too (Judas Priest ftw!) There are some people out there who will mind, and they will always mind, because of the social impacts religion had on our society. I think it comes to a point where we all have to accept no matter how much you tell some people, they will not understand you and will always be against you. This of course doesn't mean you would stop fighting for equality in things like marriage rights, but honestly there will always be people on Xbox Live going "HEY FAGG0TZ U GUYS R NOOBS GO DIE GO DIE GO DIE."
The one thing that bothers me is that people try to get defensive about using the terms gay in slang. It annoys the hell out of me when I'm ignorant because I said "That is some gay stuff man." or something. No, I'm not homophobic, I don't hate gays, I walked around with No on 8 signs for goodness sake, a simple slang term that has been changed to mean something else completely shouldn't determine someones entire person. Yeah, just had to say that.
So personally, I believe that if you can handle a characters traits responsibly, you can make him marketable to any radiance.
Imagine if Snake was gay, but it wasn't revealed to the end of the game, and it wasn't laid on people with tutu's and crap, but rather a mature situation with him and his partner. Yes, people would be shocked, but would they like Solid Snake any less? For me personally, no, after all he has done throughout the game he would still be the same amazing character, to some that could change their whole perspective, but I guarantee you it will be a better reaction then something like those two dudes from God Hand.
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On a side note...I think you totally just spoiled the ending of the next Metal Gear game...
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To me that's the same as if somebody said "that's so faggoty" or something similar.
Having something that defines who/what you are as an individual be used as a pejorative is wrong imo.
I used to use gay as a pejorative quite a bit, so I know what you're trying to say. I did it just because all my friends did, and still do occasionally. However, I'm trying to catch that and use that word less.
07/20/09
Maybe it's just that gay guys are so normal to me I don't really use that to classify them, I know gay people, if you asked me to tell you about them I probably wouldn't mention it unless you asked, because I wouldn't even think about it.
Basically, when I think homosexual men, I think Judas Priest (AWESOME RIGHT?) and when I hear the word gay, I think of being forced to play Super Man 64 during my break time of testing E.T.
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The only thing I worry about is for those people that cannot differentiate between gay as 'innocent' slang and gay as homosexuals. The ones who may actually think to themselves, "Gosh, if gay means something negative, like stupid, then that must mean gay people are something negative." And then start associating both concepts as something negative and to be disliked, ridiculed, or worse. But other than that concern, like I said, I have no real issue.
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And the star commentators, while sometimes veering off the golden road, have proven to be a dependable bunch in times of need, and in dire straits of discussion in the community in general.
Off my head, [bialia, Curse_Lily, excel_excel, Masterdex, the7k (a recent newcomer from Jan!), LIIusionX, Komrade Kayce, Witzbold, Archaotic, and BubbleF**kingBuddy (my condolences for not being able to change your name anymore!)] for Kotaku. In Gizmodo, there exists OMG! Ponies (perhaps the greatest commentor to have lived), and his pal GitEmSteveDave, and Kaiser-Machead, and some others which are equally important. And don't forget about the multinationals! (I'm looking at you, fuchikoma.) Apologies if I forgot anyone's names.
Sorry, Joystiq/Engadget, but this is why I love Kotaku. Well, that, and your crappy commenting system compared to the Gawker Network. (And hats off to the Lifehacker and Gizmodo community, as well! Kudos to everyone for making this such a better place to comment in!)
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I'd much rather get the apples from a reputable source than have to hand pick em myself.
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I have no problem w/ trash talking with your buddies, it is all in fun. But with complete strangers you should have the sense not to use such hateful language.