Meanwhile, millions of people around china are discovering there is a real world outside their bedrooms. What's sad is I bet that some of them are addicted and are taking it rough. I wonder if there have been realm servers popping up like mad over there. You can still play locally.
@Stradigos: Meanwhile, millions of people outside of China are discovering there is a real world outside of their bedrooms, and it is boring, so they stay on MMO's.
Because Blizzard didn't bother bribing the correct corrupt assholes in those dens of organized crime they call the GAPP and MOC, millions of Chinese citizens are missing out on a product the rest of the world is free to enjoy.
It's all about the money and I'm glad I don't have to deal with that level of bullshit just to play a videogame legally.
No wonder that country is responsible for the vast majority of game/film piracy. What a dump.
what the chinese goverment want is to avoid is the introduction of outside ideas into their population, wow is after all a social network that can bring diferent life concepts to the chinese citisens, with local mmo the chinese goverment can control the way the games develop, but with outside publishers they cannot interfere in every aspect they want, so thus the ban.
@Piccoroz: Then they sure are doing a bad job with news sites like BBC having full, uncensored Chinese versions, American and Western television and movies being uncensored, cheap and easily available, their urging people to study abroad for university and beyond, the huge number of philosophy and political books from the West you'll find in both English and Chinese at any bookstore, the large scholarships they give to bring Westerners into China to study Chinese/etc at their universities, etc... etc...
That theory is quite late and outdated, my friend.
@magnakaiser: Oh sorry, maybe I am uninformed, But you gotta accept that the golden shield project is still a reality and that the goverment still sends to jail people that talk about democracy and give critic to the comunist party.
@DutchOtaku: They can & they all do, just not on Chinese servers. They all play on the Taiwanese servers. Anyways Blizzard was just wayyyy too capitalist for their commie asses.
@DutchOtaku: So now that the Chinese are gone, is it safe to put them back in Samurai armor? It's not like it's going to offend people who can't play WoW.
Quick intro: I've lived in China for the last 3 years and these inter-gov-ministry arguments go on all the time. Not just over video games but over a lot of things. There's probably some behind the scenes politics that are playing a big role here. I know it may sound crazy that because two powerful guys in different parts of the CPC don't like each other that can lead to millions of people getting a game taken away but stuff like this happens all the time.
Also the fear of "internet addiction" is a really hot topic these days in China. Video games are the number 1 target for the press as the cause. WoW often gets highlighted at a Western video game that was designed to get the youth "addicted" so it plays well for the popularity of ministers to be seen as attacking this problem.
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I don't know the full details, or even the slight details really, but the way what I have heard sounds, China want to give Chinese Made MMOs more of a chance, by making it so that their people can't play Anything else.
That's probably a gross generalization or something, but that's how it always seems to sound to me.
@LoLAdrian ...And Then Comes Lividity: It's a whole lot of things, really. It makes a good scapegoat for starters. The fact is, true or not, a LOT of people in this country feel that lots of 20-somethings are wasting their lives playing games all day in internet cafes and not being productive.
Because it is such a massively popular WESTERN made game (That is, it doesn't step on the toes of any domestic companies, especially since that whole licensing snafu last year.), it makes an easy target that makes the people feel like something is being done about the issue.
There's a lot more going on here than the "WACKY GOVERNMENT DOES WACKY THINGS!!!" that most news sources tend to ignore, one major factor being what most Chinese people think, in this case: That young people play way too many god-damned video games.
@Jim-sama: Well Wow has, what 12-13 million players.. at least 5 million of them being chinese, but the lisence for the game, in China, is owned by chinese agency NetEase, so not too sure how that will actually effect Activision Blizzard.
Needless to say somones going to loose alot of money xD
@Jack McCauley: In some report I read a while ago it detailed just how little money Blizzard actually made from the Chinese subscriber base. They don't make a flat 15/month, etc... like they do elsewhere.
But, because all the Chinese WoW players who really cared moved to Taiwanese servers, which run on a normal subscription model and are run by Blizzard proper, Blizz might somehow end up ahead.
@magnakaiser: Well if I lived in China and I had seen or experienced the 'real' WoW, I wouldn't want to pay full price for what they are given.
But like you say, you figure if they really want to play the full version they can play on Taiwanese servers anyway.. So Blizz must still be making good monies.. therefore, what are the Chinese authorities actually achieving apart from making life difficult for peoples?!
@plasticmouse: But they sure do love things with real-life consequences. Maybe they could like, cause a scandal by putting walrus porn on his computer.
@Livingtarget: can dance if He wants to!: I know right? Imagine if we had no Wikipedia in Australia... we would be the most uneducated country in the world. Or the most educated, however you choose to look at it :)
It's immensely childish and purile, but I love responding to the stereotypical brash loudmouth American online as my 'Colonial brother' and referring to them coming from the Colony. It seems to rile them to no end.
Back to the article, congratulations to the recipients. About time our games industry got some recognition. Now they just require suitable tax breaks.
@Chronixal: Haha. When ever the guys across the pond start calling us yanks and wankers I just call them red coats and some of them get a little angry.
@spyderr0de0: Heh, nice one. I know it's probably better to take the high road and ignore it regardless of who it's from but sometimes it's just more entertaining to turn it around and watch them become the metaphorical monkey flinging shit in a cage.
@plasticmouse: Thank you! If I could bestow upon you an MBE, I would. But you know how it is. I've got nothing over here. I could make you a sandwich or something.
About time the Collyers get some serious recognition. Their Football Manager series is immense, been playing them since I was a wee lad myself. Well deserved chaps.
All forms of culture and entertainment might get people questioning the oppressive regime.
What the chinese government needs is a mindless workforce that will keep their heads down never questioning censorship and never having the time to think about freedom of choice and democracy while generating profit for the country.
Games, blogs, movies among others are doorways to other cultures. They can open their minds, reflect about the conditions they are currently living in.
Moralism and religious claims among bogus news and flawed statistics are tools used to keep those under control.
I wish luck and power for all the chinese who struggle everyday to break that barrier. Drugs, murder and teen pregnancy is nothing compared to what a paranoid dictatorship does to it's people.
Dear government organizations and media in general,
Fuck you. Your reactions to video games since their entry into our global popular culture thus far have been laughable at best. You pass and/or lobby for legislation on a subject you know little or nothing about. You also report stories involving someone who kills someone else over a video game as though it were the video game's fault or mention that they played video games even if it's not relevant to the story.
Congratulations. You are those grouchy old people who used to shout about rock and roll back in the 1950's. Your blindness to the fact that you are repeating the same ignorant mistakes regarding something new that has entered pop culture is delicious. It's sociology 101 and should be obvious to you "highbrow" folks that need to worry about the trends of large-scale reactions in a human population. Quite frankly, it's embarrassing and I eagerly await the day that a generation that knows just what the hell a video game is moves into positions of power. With any luck, we'll make ourselves look about half as much of a bunch of asses as you have done for yourselves.
You are awarded no points for playing and may God have mercy on your soul.
First, kudos on Billy Madison reference. Fave quote of mine.
Second, you try to stay hip when you're pulling in a massive salary and live isolated from everyone else, lest they get dirt on you or you catch homelessness. How dare you hold a politician to such standards.
My politicians wheel and deal and sell their vote to the highest bidder. My politicians blow the small issues out of proportion while ignoring the rest. My politicians play games with bills and riders and would willingly suck the nuts of Mr. Speaker.
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Because Blizzard didn't bother bribing the correct corrupt assholes in those dens of organized crime they call the GAPP and MOC, millions of Chinese citizens are missing out on a product the rest of the world is free to enjoy.
It's all about the money and I'm glad I don't have to deal with that level of bullshit just to play a videogame legally.
No wonder that country is responsible for the vast majority of game/film piracy. What a dump.
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Everyone who wanted to play, that is.
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That theory is quite late and outdated, my friend.
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Now that is over, make pandaren an extra race in cataclism blizzard :P
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Also the fear of "internet addiction" is a really hot topic these days in China. Video games are the number 1 target for the press as the cause. WoW often gets highlighted at a Western video game that was designed to get the youth "addicted" so it plays well for the popularity of ministers to be seen as attacking this problem.
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I figured China would view WoW as a great money-making opportunity, with all their gold farmers and stuff.
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I don't know the full details, or even the slight details really, but the way what I have heard sounds, China want to give Chinese Made MMOs more of a chance, by making it so that their people can't play Anything else.
That's probably a gross generalization or something, but that's how it always seems to sound to me.
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Because it is such a massively popular WESTERN made game (That is, it doesn't step on the toes of any domestic companies, especially since that whole licensing snafu last year.), it makes an easy target that makes the people feel like something is being done about the issue.
There's a lot more going on here than the "WACKY GOVERNMENT DOES WACKY THINGS!!!" that most news sources tend to ignore, one major factor being what most Chinese people think, in this case: That young people play way too many god-damned video games.
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Needless to say somones going to loose alot of money xD
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But, because all the Chinese WoW players who really cared moved to Taiwanese servers, which run on a normal subscription model and are run by Blizzard proper, Blizz might somehow end up ahead.
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But like you say, you figure if they really want to play the full version they can play on Taiwanese servers anyway.. So Blizz must still be making good monies.. therefore, what are the Chinese authorities actually achieving apart from making life difficult for peoples?!
Pathetic...
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Wouldn't it be funny?
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No seriously somebody has to do it before it's too late.
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Picard. talks. better. and. fought. the. borg. and. had. Q
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Back to the article, congratulations to the recipients. About time our games industry got some recognition. Now they just require suitable tax breaks.
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That sounds like a mighty fine sandwich, one the Earl would be proud of.
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I guess that you'll have to print it out to eat it. Sorry about that. The sandwich wouldn't fit through the tubes of the internet!
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Bill: "Totally"
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All forms of culture and entertainment might get people questioning the oppressive regime.
What the chinese government needs is a mindless workforce that will keep their heads down never questioning censorship and never having the time to think about freedom of choice and democracy while generating profit for the country.
Games, blogs, movies among others are doorways to other cultures. They can open their minds, reflect about the conditions they are currently living in.
Moralism and religious claims among bogus news and flawed statistics are tools used to keep those under control.
I wish luck and power for all the chinese who struggle everyday to break that barrier. Drugs, murder and teen pregnancy is nothing compared to what a paranoid dictatorship does to it's people.
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Fuck you. Your reactions to video games since their entry into our global popular culture thus far have been laughable at best. You pass and/or lobby for legislation on a subject you know little or nothing about. You also report stories involving someone who kills someone else over a video game as though it were the video game's fault or mention that they played video games even if it's not relevant to the story.
Congratulations. You are those grouchy old people who used to shout about rock and roll back in the 1950's. Your blindness to the fact that you are repeating the same ignorant mistakes regarding something new that has entered pop culture is delicious. It's sociology 101 and should be obvious to you "highbrow" folks that need to worry about the trends of large-scale reactions in a human population. Quite frankly, it's embarrassing and I eagerly await the day that a generation that knows just what the hell a video game is moves into positions of power. With any luck, we'll make ourselves look about half as much of a bunch of asses as you have done for yourselves.
You are awarded no points for playing and may God have mercy on your soul.
Signed,
The gaming community
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First, kudos on Billy Madison reference. Fave quote of mine.
Second, you try to stay hip when you're pulling in a massive salary and live isolated from everyone else, lest they get dirt on you or you catch homelessness. How dare you hold a politician to such standards.
My politicians wheel and deal and sell their vote to the highest bidder. My politicians blow the small issues out of proportion while ignoring the rest. My politicians play games with bills and riders and would willingly suck the nuts of Mr. Speaker.
And I, sir, am rarely disappointed.