Nintendo to game industry is like Apple to IT industry.
They just need to release high quality products here and there and people will buy them like crazy. They don't even need to do any marketing. People will track their products down and buy them.
Nintendo is printing money left and right. New Super Mario Bros was developed in 1/4th the time compared to FFXIII and probably an even smaller percentage of the budget.
@Johnny_Under: It has more to do with the fact that the game is selling almost perfectly in line with the last few entries in the series. 1.89 million in two weeks is pretty standard for an FF game.
@Dark_Mirage: Yeah, the game's doing fine. Most people I've seen are surprised by how WELL it's doing, considering the PS3's rather slow adoption in Japan.
We have officially entered into the 4th year of the Wii victory train. All haters and fanboys are invited to keep their heads and arms extended out of the windows to whine at all times, so that they may be lost in the turrents of success and joy rushing past.
@fire_works_are_pretty: To be honest the only ones really winning are Nintendo. They created a product that apeealed to the masses and marketed it correctly to gain optimum sales. From a gamers point of view like myself, i think the console is a failiure, as it does not provide me with the quality or quantity of games i enjoy. Obviously that is my opinion but this is the first time in the industry where the console with the most sales and garnering the most profit is not also the market leader in terms of quality games.
Who would have bought the game this week that didn't want it last week? Sounds more like limited supplies than anything else. As such, this article doesn't mean much.
@Saudrapsmann: Did you miss the part on the chart where it says that the game has sold 1,690,000 so far? That's 300k short of the limit.
It doesn't have anything to do with supply issues. If you see the sales of previous FF games, it is following the same pattern. FF games are front-loaded, they don't have much legs.
That's unbelievable. I'm totally shocked but in a good way. The double whammy of Mario and Zelda overtaking a huge franchise like FF in only its second week, that's completely awesome. Nintendo sure knows how to work magic.
@Ryan Rihan: Nintendo's games have generally always outsold FF. This really shouldn't surprise anyone who's followed gaming for more than a few months. :P
This was predicted. Mario is a long-seller, while Final Fantasy is a game that is pretty much only bought by its fans. Its millions and millions of fans, mind you, but fans, nonetheless, that buy the game when it first comes out. The sales are all concentrated for the time immediately after launch - and are phenomenal that week for that reason - but start to fizzle out after all the people who wanted the game already have it now.
Of course people will buy New Super Mario Bros. Wii. It's one of a few very rare GOOD games on the Wii in the neverending tidal wave of HORRIBLE games.
If Sony can't beat Nintendo with a FF game in Japan then I'm sorry, there is no beating them. Face it, no matter how many of us cry, moan or wonder why people buy the Wii, the crappy quality of many of the games, that it isn't a real game system or that Sony or MS can still win, Nintendo has won this gens console war.
@legendnthemaking: People buy the Wii in spite of the crappy games for the same reason we bought PS2 in spite of its tidal wave of crap games: Because the handful of *good* games are pure fucking GOLD :)
@Vintage: I don't know if you're being sarcastic. But yeah, I stand by my comment.
Every system has shovelware to some extent. But the PS2 has more great games than almost any system in history, while the Wii has the most shovelware of any system in history (barring the iPhone). Comparing the two is a lot like comparing complete opposites.
@Shinta: I don't understand why people like you always get hung up over how much shovelware there are, how many bad games there are, how many kiddy games, how many girl games, how many casual games, how many games you don't like, etc.
Here's an idea: if you don't like it ignore it.
PC gaming, throughout all its years, has amassed a fuck-ton of shovelware and crap games. Doesn't stop me from still enjoying the ones I like, and it doesn't make me constantly post about it.
@Windrummerboy: Did the Wii, I dunno, like kidnap your children and molest them or something? In his opinion, the Wii is as enjoyable to play as the PS2. No need to berate him. The PS2 did have a TON of shovelware, it has just never been called out the way the Wii's shovelware has been. The PS2 had a lot of great games, but trying to deny that there was a lot of shovelware just shows that you're immune to logic and fact.
I really can't understand the hate for shovelware, either. You're not forced to buy it, you know. Does shovelware somehow invalidate your existence as a gamer? You guys act as though shovelware is all people buy for the Wii, when the reality is that most of these don't do so hot.
@Leanid: I just don't understand that argument, and how anyone even still uses it. It's so obvious that the inevitable comeback is "if you don't like my post, then why don't you take your own advice and ignore it." The obvious answer is that you are acting exactly like me, and posting about things you want to talk about.
@Shinta: That would work if you were the only one making them, there aren't already a fuck-ton of them, and we haven't gotten the same comments for years now.
We get it, you don't like the Wii. Find different, more valid, complaints.
@Shinta: The difference being that you don't actually want to talk about quantities of shovelware vs quantities of quality software, you just want to rant and rave about how much shovelware is on the Wii.
@Mardoch: Umm ... that's exactly what my post is about. It's like you're reading someone else's post. I just wrote this.
"Every system has shovelware to some extent. But the PS2 has more great games than almost any system in history, while the Wii has the most shovelware of any system in history (barring the iPhone). Comparing the two is a lot like comparing complete opposites."
First of all, there's no ranting and raving going on here. Second, the whole post is about the quantities of shovelware vs quantities of quality software. I really have no idea why you would even write that to me, unless you didn't read it.
@Leanid: I can talk about the Wii for as long as I want. If you don't like it, you are free to ignore it. But I'm not going to try to dictate what you can and can't do. I haven't really even seen you address my main point to you, which is that you chose to respond to my post, instead of ignore it. That pretty much completely invalidates your entire argument.
And if you want to get into more valid complaints, we could. But again, if you would just bother looking in the mirror, I could ask why you are so upset about something as trivial as posts critical about the Wii. I could ask you to find something valid to complain about. I could say that I've seen posts like yours a million times, because there are a lot of Nintendo fanboys. The whole point is that you're lecturing to me about shit that you are equally as guilty of, and I don't really know why.
The whole topic is basically presented as "Wii vs. PS3." I don't find the conversation moving to this very surprising. The story pretty much set it up.
Second, you only said in that comment that the Wii has shovelware. That's filed away safely in the "No shit" category. You didn't mention anything about the good games in its library, of which there are quite a few. It doesn't have the extensive history of the PS2 to have that number of hits yet, but it's got a pretty solid collection of them given its relatively short tenure. The two are not complete opposites other than in control mechanisms, really. Their chief similarity lies in their amazing market penetration and expansion. With such install bases comes the shovelware. Both have plenty because of how many systems are in homes, not because one system or the other was particularly more attractive to shovelware makers.
Saying "sure the PS2 has lots of shovelware but it's also got good games" and "the Wii has lots of shovelware" is expressing little other than bias. You need to show both sides of the picture.
@Mardoch: I'm not trying to hide one side of the picture really, I just think it's a pretty well known fact that the PS2's library completely eclipses the Wii's. Wii has some good games, all the Nintendo made ones (okay, maybe not every single one), and a few others. If I was being generous, we could say it has like, 20-30 great games (which is being really generous). The PS2 has more than I can ever count. I would try to start listing them, but I know I would forget 95% of it. Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, every multiplatform game that the Wii can't get right now, God of War, Persona, like a million different JRPGs, Socom, Rogue Galaxy, Zone of Enders, Mark of Kri, Kingdom Hearts, Silent Hill, Virtua Fighter, Dragon Quest, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo, Devil May Cry, Shinobi, Tenchu, Yakuza, Castlevania, and on, and on, and on.
It's not bias to state that it has a much more impressive library. I think the DS has the most extensive library of quality titles of any system ever made, and that's made by Nintendo. So it's not bias.
You're right that they both are similar in that they are the leaders of their respective console generations, but they are completely different in respect to their libraries; especially the ratio of quality to shovelware. Even giving Wii the benefit of the doubt for being out for a shorter amount of time, I think it's a gross exaggeration to assume it would catch up. They would do well to catch up to the ratio on PS3 or 360, which both do not have the amount of quality titles that the PS2 had.
@Shinta: Nonsense. The PS2 and PS1 had EXACTLY the same scenario as the Wii: MOUNTAINS of shovelware trash, with a tiny fraction of games that were SO superb they alone made the whole system worth owning. Wii is EXACTLY that way. Just like Wii, PS2 and PS1 have in common that the overwhelming majority-like 80-90% of their libraries-are complete and utter crap.
@Windrummerboy: The only joke is that you don't get it. All three systems have in common MOUNTAINS of shovelware with a relatively small percentage (MAYBE 10-20%) of games actually worth owning.
Doesn't have anything to do with Japan because there is no crapbox360 Version.
In the US and EU PS3 FF13 will also outsale the 360 Version.
FF13 did good for this userbase - It isn't as huge as the PS2 was.
@Subsenix:Given the subjective and -completely- unbiased way you state your viewpoint. I have no doubts at all that you have the magical power to see the future.
Is the queen's blade game anything like the anime? Because the anime is basically hentai, and I was (and still am) under the impression Sony doesn't allow Z rated games on their systems...
Curious if this would have any impact on HDTV sales in Japan. I know they have been slow to jump on the HDTV train over there, but I wonder if seeing the game in Vasoline-o-vision will make people want to get an HDTV? Considering it's a Final Fantasy title and all...I mean, wouldn't all those FF nuts want to see the game in the best possible way?
@JoRo1986: HDTVs have always been popular in Japan, they were certainly not slow to adopt it. In fact, in terms of market penetration they have always been ahead of the US. Of the 50 million total TV households in Japan, almost 17 million have HDTV.
The reason is quite simple, Japanese homes are comparatively small, the main benefit is ditching larger CRT sets for thin flat-panel HDTVs conserves on space.
@Scaramanga: I knew they had been big on flatscreens and widescreen (480p) but never heard anything about them being big on HD. Interesting.
I also knew that bluray recorders were huge in Japan, but I figured it was just because they held a lot, and could hold like a day's worth of SD TV on one disc.
@bobtheduck in Korea: Blu-rays are huge in Japan because most Japanese rely on Tivo-like features to record their favorite shows (Japanese shows are rarely if ever re-aired so if you miss it you miss it). But most seem to be recording in HD rather then SD.
It's also helped that BD-R prices have dropped dramatically recently, a 25GB BD-R is $1.50~$2 per disk right now and a 50GB is around $5. I'm sure people mix and match which shows they want in HD and SD.
Another issue of course is that Japanese rely largely the 'network' channels and are less reliant on cable and satellite then the US.
Digital HDTV broadcasting started in 2000 in Japan, and once the major players like NHK, NTV, Asahi, TV Tokyo, TBS, etc changed to HD public adoption was much easier.
The big thing now is 1seg, basically a H.264/MPEG-4 AVC stream broadcast over the air. Most mobile devices and cellphone are 1Seg ready so that you can watch digital TV on your portable device (the DS and PSP have 1Seg adapters as well).
@Scaramanga: Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I thought I saw an article by Bashcraft saying how they don't buy many HDTVs and that's why the DS and PSP are so popular (because they don't care as much for good graphics). I probably read it wrong, or misunderstood what he said. Thanks for the links.
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They just need to release high quality products here and there and people will buy them like crazy. They don't even need to do any marketing. People will track their products down and buy them.
What a magnificent dick.
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I wonder how much their shares have gone up over the last five years since the launch of Nintendo DS.
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And I'm pretty sure they've already past the 2 million limit.
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It doesn't have anything to do with supply issues. If you see the sales of previous FF games, it is following the same pattern. FF games are front-loaded, they don't have much legs.
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Fuck all of you casuals.
that is all.
flame on!
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*Casts level 3 Eroti- I mean Permafrost!*
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Seems like a long-shot since the dropping rate every week is very steep in JPN.
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True, maybe many DS owners have two or more DS's, but what is the probability of them buying two copies of the same game?
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Final Fantasy just hasn't peaked my interest at all. I may pick it up depending on how it's reviewed in the US, but to me it looks painfully generic.
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what a fucking joke.
what a FUCKING joke.
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Every system has shovelware to some extent. But the PS2 has more great games than almost any system in history, while the Wii has the most shovelware of any system in history (barring the iPhone). Comparing the two is a lot like comparing complete opposites.
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Here's an idea: if you don't like it ignore it.
PC gaming, throughout all its years, has amassed a fuck-ton of shovelware and crap games. Doesn't stop me from still enjoying the ones I like, and it doesn't make me constantly post about it.
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I really can't understand the hate for shovelware, either. You're not forced to buy it, you know. Does shovelware somehow invalidate your existence as a gamer? You guys act as though shovelware is all people buy for the Wii, when the reality is that most of these don't do so hot.
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We get it, you don't like the Wii. Find different, more valid, complaints.
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"Every system has shovelware to some extent. But the PS2 has more great games than almost any system in history, while the Wii has the most shovelware of any system in history (barring the iPhone). Comparing the two is a lot like comparing complete opposites."
First of all, there's no ranting and raving going on here. Second, the whole post is about the quantities of shovelware vs quantities of quality software. I really have no idea why you would even write that to me, unless you didn't read it.
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And if you want to get into more valid complaints, we could. But again, if you would just bother looking in the mirror, I could ask why you are so upset about something as trivial as posts critical about the Wii. I could ask you to find something valid to complain about. I could say that I've seen posts like yours a million times, because there are a lot of Nintendo fanboys. The whole point is that you're lecturing to me about shit that you are equally as guilty of, and I don't really know why.
The whole topic is basically presented as "Wii vs. PS3." I don't find the conversation moving to this very surprising. The story pretty much set it up.
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Second, you only said in that comment that the Wii has shovelware. That's filed away safely in the "No shit" category. You didn't mention anything about the good games in its library, of which there are quite a few. It doesn't have the extensive history of the PS2 to have that number of hits yet, but it's got a pretty solid collection of them given its relatively short tenure. The two are not complete opposites other than in control mechanisms, really. Their chief similarity lies in their amazing market penetration and expansion. With such install bases comes the shovelware. Both have plenty because of how many systems are in homes, not because one system or the other was particularly more attractive to shovelware makers.
Saying "sure the PS2 has lots of shovelware but it's also got good games" and "the Wii has lots of shovelware" is expressing little other than bias. You need to show both sides of the picture.
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It's not bias to state that it has a much more impressive library. I think the DS has the most extensive library of quality titles of any system ever made, and that's made by Nintendo. So it's not bias.
You're right that they both are similar in that they are the leaders of their respective console generations, but they are completely different in respect to their libraries; especially the ratio of quality to shovelware. Even giving Wii the benefit of the doubt for being out for a shorter amount of time, I think it's a gross exaggeration to assume it would catch up. They would do well to catch up to the ratio on PS3 or 360, which both do not have the amount of quality titles that the PS2 had.
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Just because you're not biased against Nintendo doesn't mean you can't be biased against the Wii, btw.
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Games for Gamers dude, not granny or your little niece.
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Although the inverse would be true by omitting the word "sales."
Unless Mario's been working out, but I fail to see how an all mushroom diet would be good for the figure.
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Doesn't have anything to do with Japan because there is no crapbox360 Version.
In the US and EU PS3 FF13 will also outsale the 360 Version.
FF13 did good for this userbase - It isn't as huge as the PS2 was.
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It's D rated. The cutscene's show about the limit for that rating, but the rest is a standard looking strategy game.
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The reason is quite simple, Japanese homes are comparatively small, the main benefit is ditching larger CRT sets for thin flat-panel HDTVs conserves on space.
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I also knew that bluray recorders were huge in Japan, but I figured it was just because they held a lot, and could hold like a day's worth of SD TV on one disc.
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It's also helped that BD-R prices have dropped dramatically recently, a 25GB BD-R is $1.50~$2 per disk right now and a 50GB is around $5. I'm sure people mix and match which shows they want in HD and SD.
Another issue of course is that Japanese rely largely the 'network' channels and are less reliant on cable and satellite then the US.
Digital HDTV broadcasting started in 2000 in Japan, and once the major players like NHK, NTV, Asahi, TV Tokyo, TBS, etc changed to HD public adoption was much easier.
The big thing now is 1seg, basically a H.264/MPEG-4 AVC stream broadcast over the air. Most mobile devices and cellphone are 1Seg ready so that you can watch digital TV on your portable device (the DS and PSP have 1Seg adapters as well).
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