All these insane "precautions" for "security" are mostly just a huge waste of time and something that just makes the paying customers angry... They forbid you from taking *water* in the plane? Right.
Sounds more like protecting the airport shops and their business more than security of any sort :)
However, plasmid usage is still strictly prohibited.
I haven't flown internationally since 2003, andI'm going to Italy this summer for an archaeological dig. The prospect of flying with all these theatrical precautions-- three ounces of liquid or less, and now the whole stay seated for the last hour nonsense with no iPod or books, God forbid-- is frankly rather daunting.
Okay, I'm not going to talk about how fishy it is for a person that is supposedly on two terrorist watch list with no passport can get on an international flight with "heightened security" that makes women drink their own breast milk.
What I will comment on is how stupid all of this fear mongering is. Instead of real measures that protect passengers and their liberty we get a number of "security measures" accomplish neither goal. Passengers are expected to be early so they can be irradiated and frisked and probed and violated, denied many forms of modern entertainment while they are confined in a tight space over several hours, and mentally assaulted with fear and anxiety as non-existent threats materialize in their heads while a passenger who ate one burrito too many is sick in the restroom.
Thank you, for charging me more money, restricting my choices, and denying me my entertainment and sanity while I fly "the friendly skies".
And just in case you didn't realize, this only applies to "the commoners", as these restrictions don't apply rich people (like just about everything else) who have their own transportation.
This is MADNESS! I mean really, I totally understand 20 minutes with no toilet but an HOUR? What's TSA come to?
Also, I don't see why electronic devices will be affected, from what I read it doesn't seem like such items were used in the event on that Delta flight. So I see no good reason why the TSA needs to ban them.
@_Forsight: Honestly if people can put 2 and 2 together they should be able to figure it out just by your mentioning of Bioshock and the event that this article is referring to.
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@Owen Good: While I made the picture quickly in response to my predicament, yes, that is a real error message, as in the picture above.
It seems editors have the ability to lock "threads" in order to prevent promotion of a comment. I've seen it one other time with Brian Crecente, but that was it, honestly.
@(Starman) Zuul~!: I had it in one of the podcast threads last week with Totilo but thought nothing of it and figured I'd come back later. I never did. Whoops.
@James Henderson: I'm wondering whether it's an inherent glitch, or a "feature."
Just like how the editing of our comments removes our picture is considered a cut above the rest, this is probably a "feature" from the almighty nostril of Nick Denton.
It's quite the amusing perspective to see 200+ comments from people going on about how much they "don't care" about Duke Nukem.
And while I'm sure that most of them genuinely don't care about the future of the franchise, people angrily, vocally "not caring" in high volume still counts for something.
As long as it's not like any of the god awful 3rd person perspective Duke games on PS1 and N64, I'd be interested to see where the series goes, if it ever does go anywhere.
I suppose you could count me squarely in the category of people who don't necessarily "care" about Duke, but would certainly be open to a sequel to Duke 3D if it turned out to be good/fun.
Flew from NY to Florida today with hardly any changes. They wanted to see my ID at the gate (normally my boarding pass is sufficient) and there was talk on the flight of not storing any electronics in the seat pocket - they should be stowed away when not in use.
Otherwise it was business as usual: pointless disrobing at the security gate and unbelievably rude airline staff.
I work in the airline industry, so im expecting just as much if not more fun when i head back to work tomorrow.
And for anyone who wonders how they plan to enforce these no standup/no items last hour rules.
Try it. We actually think its funny when pilots call in, we get police and they drag people off the plane. And yes, they can and will do this in the middle of flight, stopping anywhere close to get rid of ya.
Flight attendants word is law on the plane as far as most captains go.
Try not to make their lives any more difficult. We hate this shit as much as you do but its our job
This makes me yearn for the days my dad talks about. Back when flying meant dressing like you were going for a nice dinner, not like you rolled out of bed 5 minutes ago, and it was part of the fun of vacation, not simply a means of travel like the bus. I'm taking a 7 hour non-stop in a few weeks to the Caribbean. If this is going on I'm going to get stir-crazy.
As if flying anywhere wasn't already obnoxious enough.
I will probably get some disagreement, but I would rather stomach the infinitesimally small chance of someone trying to attack than have the entire nation (including myself) inconvenienced in such a massive way. This goes for all the extra security measures, not just this new electronics "ban".
Every time you do anything in life, you're taking a risk. I would be surprised if you looked at the numbers and found that you weren't more likely to die while driving your car, walking down the street, etc, as compared to being on a plane that was hijacked.
For the most part all increasing restrictions are going to do is inconvenience the general populace.
As for those that are actually trying to sneak in explosives or weapons they will just come up with more creative ways to do it. Thats how it is both online and in the real world.
@UltimatePancakeSensation: I agree 100%.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Ben Franklin
@si1vergecko: It's just like game protection. The more annoying and intrusive it gets, the less the innocent consumer wants the original product, and the harder the pirates try and break it.
I feel like these new rules are going to be borderline unenforceable, unless they replace flight attendants with bouncers and start beating insubordinate passengers.
@TSFMfest: If they had bouncers beat insubordinate passengers, none of this would've happened in the first place. The old "If everybody had guns there'd be less shootings because only the bravest/most rage-filled people would actually shoot when surrounded by gun-toting citizens" theory says so, anyway.
@TSFMfest: They don't need bouncers, it's actually Federal Law for you to do what a flight attendant tells you. If you go against that they can actually have federal agents waiting at the gate to arrest you, unless, of course, you're a Senator on a cell phone with a potty mouth.
@shigogouhou: And yet places like Japan have far less crime...and no guns. Hmm. Oh, and did the non-bouncer passengers on the plane stop the slipshod bomb attempt? Oh, they did...then why the new rules? Because if they're going to keep this retrospective nonsense going they might as well just handcuff all passengers on all flights all the time and be done with it.
While this kills portable electronic gaming, this does not kill portable playground gaming. I'm talking about rock-paper-scissors, thumb war, those clapping games, and the ever-so-immature "Penis" game.
I'd also wonder if I started singing "99 bottles of beer on the wall" would all the other bored folks start singing along. Or sing Kid A along with the dude from the Gawker article ([gawker.com]).
Yeah, don't go on a plane with me on board, I'd probably annoy the hell out of everyone during the last hour.
@Sonyphonics: The "Penis" game on an airplane of bored passengers... I can just see all the parents getting pissed at first, and then when their kids start yelling it to compete smack them and then yell it even louder. ;\
@Sonyphonics: Didn't know you guys from the US also play the penis game. As a German I used to play "Fotze" with my buddies in school. Or in a crowded coffeeshop in the Netherlands or wherever we felt slightly bored.
Fotze btw is far more offensive than penis as it is the german equivalent for cunt. Ah, fine times...
I'm waiting at an airport right now to fly to Ecuador, and so far it doesnt seem any different, although maybe these changes are supposed to be on the airplane and I dont know yet. I've got my laptop, PSP and airplane mode phone on me, and little else to keep me entertained, so I hope there's no problem. Maybe from Ecuador back to the U.S there might be...
@Fluorine: @I Am Error:
Thanks, I hope it goes smoothly. Of all the times to forget to bring a god damned book too...the flight is, of course, being delayed.
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Sounds more like protecting the airport shops and their business more than security of any sort :)
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I haven't flown internationally since 2003, andI'm going to Italy this summer for an archaeological dig. The prospect of flying with all these theatrical precautions-- three ounces of liquid or less, and now the whole stay seated for the last hour nonsense with no iPod or books, God forbid-- is frankly rather daunting.
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What I will comment on is how stupid all of this fear mongering is. Instead of real measures that protect passengers and their liberty we get a number of "security measures" accomplish neither goal. Passengers are expected to be early so they can be irradiated and frisked and probed and violated, denied many forms of modern entertainment while they are confined in a tight space over several hours, and mentally assaulted with fear and anxiety as non-existent threats materialize in their heads while a passenger who ate one burrito too many is sick in the restroom.
Thank you, for charging me more money, restricting my choices, and denying me my entertainment and sanity while I fly "the friendly skies".
And just in case you didn't realize, this only applies to "the commoners", as these restrictions don't apply rich people (like just about everything else) who have their own transportation.
edited for spelling.
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Seems that most all heard the general outrage and unrealistic demands that these would place on people. And the electronic thing is a little much.
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Also, I find the image you've been using for these TSA updates ironic, Owen.
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Though I don't see why there was a ban in the first place, the Airliner attack didn't have any electronics involved, or so I read.
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Also, I don't see why electronic devices will be affected, from what I read it doesn't seem like such items were used in the event on that Delta flight. So I see no good reason why the TSA needs to ban them.
I'm so glad I don't fly very often.
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Finally, lap dances and dodge ball competitions mid air are back.
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good thing I have already played and don't recall that screen.
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Oh god no Owen, you didn't! D:
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It seems editors have the ability to lock "threads" in order to prevent promotion of a comment. I've seen it one other time with Brian Crecente, but that was it, honestly.
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Weird. Like everyone else is off today but me. I don't know why this thread would be demoted.
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But, who knows—
OH MY GOD A STORK aaaaaaah
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Just like how the editing of our comments removes our picture is considered a cut above the rest, this is probably a "feature" from the almighty nostril of Nick Denton.
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*spoiler*
But the fact that the guy is an activated sleeper that "would you kindly" takes the plane down. That's not unveiled until near the end.
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And while I'm sure that most of them genuinely don't care about the future of the franchise, people angrily, vocally "not caring" in high volume still counts for something.
As long as it's not like any of the god awful 3rd person perspective Duke games on PS1 and N64, I'd be interested to see where the series goes, if it ever does go anywhere.
I suppose you could count me squarely in the category of people who don't necessarily "care" about Duke, but would certainly be open to a sequel to Duke 3D if it turned out to be good/fun.
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Seriously, an hour of no toilet? WTF!
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Otherwise it was business as usual: pointless disrobing at the security gate and unbelievably rude airline staff.
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And for anyone who wonders how they plan to enforce these no standup/no items last hour rules.
Try it. We actually think its funny when pilots call in, we get police and they drag people off the plane. And yes, they can and will do this in the middle of flight, stopping anywhere close to get rid of ya.
Flight attendants word is law on the plane as far as most captains go.
Try not to make their lives any more difficult. We hate this shit as much as you do but its our job
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Ah ha, noted.
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I will probably get some disagreement, but I would rather stomach the infinitesimally small chance of someone trying to attack than have the entire nation (including myself) inconvenienced in such a massive way. This goes for all the extra security measures, not just this new electronics "ban".
Every time you do anything in life, you're taking a risk. I would be surprised if you looked at the numbers and found that you weren't more likely to die while driving your car, walking down the street, etc, as compared to being on a plane that was hijacked.
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Agreed.
For the most part all increasing restrictions are going to do is inconvenience the general populace.
As for those that are actually trying to sneak in explosives or weapons they will just come up with more creative ways to do it. Thats how it is both online and in the real world.
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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Ben Franklin
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I'd also wonder if I started singing "99 bottles of beer on the wall" would all the other bored folks start singing along. Or sing Kid A along with the dude from the Gawker article ([gawker.com]).
Yeah, don't go on a plane with me on board, I'd probably annoy the hell out of everyone during the last hour.
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Fotze btw is far more offensive than penis as it is the german equivalent for cunt. Ah, fine times...
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And I don't think I could ever play the English version of "Fotze"... probably would receive 10x the dirty looks for that one.
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But as Error said: Good luck on the way back!
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Thanks, I hope it goes smoothly. Of all the times to forget to bring a god damned book too...the flight is, of course, being delayed.