Well thats cool and all but seriously give me a freaking Diablo III on a console and i'm all over it. Cause I dont think I feel like spending money again for that one game. #twitter
@Nyctus: naw its 60. But my gaming PC hasnt been upgraded since i ran Half-Life 2 on Max settings. and I'm pretty sure if i want to max D3 and the old republic it will it cost a pretty penny to upgrade (more than 60) #twitter
Thing is, Blizzard has never really made any games that are graphically "up-to-date". When Diablo 2 came out, many called it graphically outdated, but that was fine because it meant more people could buy and play the game.
You probably wouldn't need a huge upgrade to play Diablo 3 when it comes out. #twitter
gearbox tried hard to make a playable/lag-free fps-rpg and don't forget it's the only game of it's genre on console.They did very good.It's 2 genre that mix well but they putted too much into fps and not enough in rpg so I don't believe I will have the same addictive need to come back for another playtrough or to continue with the same character to find the best equip cuz it seems that there's not that much to loot and at the end,it becomes easy to kill.There's no nightmare and hell difficulty so....
Not enough customisation.In diablo,every classe can be something they should not be cuz of the equip.In borderlands,a hunter,is a hunter and u'll snipe.There's much more in diablo 2 so we can't compare to borderlands...
So.Please gearbox,add stuff trough dlc and keep the game up dated with new skills,maps,weapon,locations and much more and maybe there will still be fans playing online in a year. #twitter
@A1LD: I'm pretty sure Fallout 3 is another FPS-RPG on a console, and it came out a year earlier. On top of that, it did the whole post-apocalyptic thing first. Borderlands does have multiplayer though, and that's very cool. #twitter
@Jonny_eh: Fallout 3 is better than Borderlands, period, but I really enjoy Borderlands for what it is.
I've never gotten the same feeling of desperation from a game that I got from the first 15 minutes outside of the vault. That "WTF am I gonna do now man?" feeling. #twitter
Borderland remains one of the best game of all time thanks to an unmatched use of exceptional voice acting, sound effects, music and animation to form an outstanding atmosphere served with an addictive, well designed gameplay. We still talk about Borderland 13 years later and...
Wait, no! I was talking about Diablo here... I guess some people should actually wait until the hype is gone before making statements like this. Who seriously believe the entire gaming population will remember the ground-breaking never-before-seen Borderland in 10 years to the point where it will actually influence the gaming industry?
Borderland isn't a bad game, but there's no way you can put it on the same level of quality as Diablo.
@BerdineOpossum: Diablo got around the same scores as Borderlands is getting. It wasn't considered anything ground breaking for the time, but it allowed you and your friends to grind for amazing amounts of loots, something that is timeless.
@Jezuz: I agree that Diablo's gameplay wasn't particularly original, since it was mainly derivative from rogue-like games. However, the brilliance in execution is something you don't see in Borderland, where the atmosphere and the overall personality of the game is lacking.
Also, I don't think it is a really good idea to compare review scores from 1996's magazines to what it is today as what gaming journalists perceive as an "average" score is quite higher than before.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment Borderlands will neither be remembered as ground breaking and is lacking in character/flavor.
Borderlands successfully integrated aspects of rogue, FPS, and RPG games. Considering the sheer amount of "moving parts" game mechanics, I believe Borderlands executed incredibly well. I personally cannot name a single game that did all the above, so well. In essence, I believe Gear Box's Borderlands has established a new genre, and set the bar for customers' expectations of that genre. Not an easy task.
In addition I believe you're not giving the flavor and credit of the game it's due. The characters Crazy Earl, Scooter and the various claptraps are easy to understand, humorous, aren't god awful annoying. That's an opinion obviously but I think it's one this commonly shared.
Scooter:
"And by good buddy, I mean asshole who broke my mama's girl parts."
That's toilet humor at its best and it's all over the game. The art, humor, and voice acting are all well done and well integrated into the game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say Borderlands is Diablo's superior. That is a Apples and Oranges comparison. Diablo is the paragon of rogue games and my opinion, Borderlands will be the paragon of RPS games. #twitter
I really like Borderlands. I pretty obsessively played through it single-player. For me personally, the second playthrough doesn't have as much appeal (particularly with the other new games on the horizon, and I still have to beat Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2), and I don't enjoy the multiplayer pretty much at all -- You have to be on the same mission if you want to play through any of the story, and it becomes a contest to see who can pick up the cool items first. I'm going to trade it in toward New Super Mario Bros. on Wii next weekend, and start playing Modern Warfare 2 on Tuesday. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I think I'm pretty much down with it.
And the claptraps I personally found annoying (except for the Sesame Street typerwriter guy impression). #twitter
I personally don't see it as Diablo for this generation. And if it is, I think thats kind of sad. Its infinitely easier than Diablo, with less character customization and class options. The mods are cool, but I haven't had anything that made it stand out. Lets face it, Diablo 3 is the Diablo for this generation.
And Claptraps are the worst part of the game. Like they tried to make them a mascot. They're no companion cube, no matter how hard they try. #twitter
It's a small thing, but I really enjoy hearing other developers commenting positively on other developers games.
It seems like the folks on the internet can take gaming way too serious and comparing game x versus game y and how similar game a is better then similar game b. So hearing stuff like this is a breath of fresh air.
I still need to get Borderlands. Between replaying Fallout 3 and now Dragon Age: Origins my game time is taken up. For a while. #twitter
Everyone is reading this quote like an epic novel, not a Twitter post. This isn't a line in 19th century poetry. The author didn't select every word with the greatest level of thought. #twitter
@toadstoolporridge: Word. I love the Chicken Little-esque mentally around here every time a big name makes a passing comment.
Cliff isn't saying 'Borderlands is Diablo', he's saying that Borderlands is the engaging, and fun kind of game for a lot of people now that Diablo was for a lot of people when it was in its hay-day. #twitter
Borderlands needs to have a story campaign that doesn't suck to even remotely come close to replacing Diablo for any representation of it be it FPS, RTS or whatever genre you want to recreate the classic Diablo formula in. The only thing this game has is the RPG grind, gear grind and monotonous gameplay.
The terrible AI can be forgiven in an action-RPG like Diablo, but in a FPS game? I don't think so. The FPS genre has likely had the biggest improvements in computer AI over the years and you better have your AI up to standards if you want any longevity.
@RiotControl: I beat Diablo 2 at least 4 different times. I still don't know hell the story was about. Nor do I care.
And when friends ask me to play with them, they don't say, "Hey let's go watch the cutscenes and talk to the NPCs together." No, we go grinding and looting. #twitter
@RiotControl: Yeah, I don't know what Diablo you're thinking of, but the 2 Diablo's I played had some of the weakest stories ever written. It was the gameplay that drove it, and loot grinding.
Thus why I enjoy Borderlands. The quests give me just enough information to justify whatever it is I'm doing, and can run off to entertain myself. Already took Hunter and Siren to 50, working on Berserker now. Want the DLC out soon. #twitter
@AncientUnknown1: Well, you already answered it for me. You don't care about the story, so whether Borderlands had a fantastic story or not, you still wouldn't even have noticed.
Gee, I wonder why your friends don't say that. Hmm. Because, you know, they've already beat the game? Probably multiple times like yourself?
If Borderlands had collectable armour sets and a loot drop system that didn't make you throw away/sell 99 percent of the crap you found, I might agree.
That said, I can (not so fondly) recall my time spent in Borderlands as using the same gun for about 10 levels before I found one that was even remotely better. Which, without armour to collect, meant I wasn't really using the whole loot system very much unless it was for vendor trash. Kinda downplays the whole constantly looking for better equip from Diablo.
And I love Borderlands... its just not quite up to Diablo standards. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce:
AI agree that Diablo is King. But as for there not being crap drops, I remember picking through junk just as much as borderlands.
The comparison is as valid as it is obvious even i the drop system was even more different. The spirit of the game is similar.
Heck amongs the million easter eggs and puns (Mad Mel anyone) is a bird you fight named Rakanishu that drops a cracked sash.
Borderlands is great and did a bit to tide me over until Diablo 3. Rather than loot system I would point out the more significant difference is no random dungeon generation. Although I can see that being rather troublesome to develop. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce: Yes, incessantly clicking your mouse a couple hundred times per minute without much critical thought behind the action is a high standard of gameplay _ #twitter
I never said it was. It was the loot system that has kept the game alive all these years, and the pvp that can take place with the right build+loot. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce: Ti be fair, in Diablo your total inventory was limited to how much your one character can carry remember?
What I did, however, was make a mule character to hold all of my shit I didn't need but wanted to keep.. Hmmm...maybe I'll do the same for borderlands.... #twitter
@KaneBaker: Wasn't one of the original ideas behind Borderlands was to have randomly generated dungeons?
Borderlands and Diablo do have some similarities but to say it's the new Diablo is a pretty far stretch. You have to look at Diablo I and II beyond just the gameplay, and how it was a phenomenon when it came out. Diablo was a title that was uniqe when it came out and is a title that many older games remember fondly years after they stop playing. Borderlands? It's looking like it'll be forgotten by the game community by next year, if it doesn't get washed out completely by the holiday releases.
And the fact that Borderlands isn't clearly "better" even though Diablo 2 came out years ago isn't a good sign. The game may look prettier, and it's a popular FPS format, but the core of the game isn't better than Diablo 2. There aren't many improvements beyond the outer sheen. For something that's supposed to be the "new" Diablo, the best people can say is that it's the same as Diablo? For it to be the new Diablo people should be saying it's BETTER than Diablo. #twitter
@Leanid: Well Diablo represents a game in an under represented genere. Make no mistake Borderlands is great. The reason I would say it is more than similar (without calling it the new Diablo) is the players motivation and the mechanics of it. Lots of mini quests, the loots, the monsters with random stronger boss ones. I would say asking a game to surpass Diablo on release is nearly impossible. Diablo had the benefit of being genere establishing. Yes it took the existing idea of the dungeon crawl, but it made so much more of it. Borderlands continue this formula it does it very well. My preference for this game type is top down isometric. Still I can enjoy it for what it is, it's a good fix for people that enjoy this sort of addicitve gameplay.
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The best Diablo clone that seemed sadly over seen, especially considering it did everything right, looked great and played great was Titan Quest. If Blizzard put their name on it it would have been a mega hit. #twitter
Misleading title. You neglected to mention that it was Diablo for "those raised on first person shooters". Frankly I think if you were raised on FPS you have a severe disadvantage in taste for good games. Plus that genre usually doesn't last very long. People can play Diablo for years but with something like this you're good for about 4 months until the next big craze, and thats being generous. #twitter
@Sparx:
Or that could just be indicative of the current market where games only matter for a month until the marketing departments of the various publishers decide that their exciting new product deserves all the attention.
It has nothing to do with what genre you grew up with, because I grew up playing pretty much everything but FPSs. Yet I can see this happening across so many different games, many of which have nothing to do with the FPS genre. #twitter
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Heard Torchlight is awesome, though. #twitter
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btw got my wife addicted to Torchlight as well :) #twitter
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Thing is, Blizzard has never really made any games that are graphically "up-to-date". When Diablo 2 came out, many called it graphically outdated, but that was fine because it meant more people could buy and play the game.
You probably wouldn't need a huge upgrade to play Diablo 3 when it comes out. #twitter
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Not enough customisation.In diablo,every classe can be something they should not be cuz of the equip.In borderlands,a hunter,is a hunter and u'll snipe.There's much more in diablo 2 so we can't compare to borderlands...
So.Please gearbox,add stuff trough dlc and keep the game up dated with new skills,maps,weapon,locations and much more and maybe there will still be fans playing online in a year. #twitter
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I've never gotten the same feeling of desperation from a game that I got from the first 15 minutes outside of the vault. That "WTF am I gonna do now man?" feeling. #twitter
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Wait, no! I was talking about Diablo here... I guess some people should actually wait until the hype is gone before making statements like this. Who seriously believe the entire gaming population will remember the ground-breaking never-before-seen Borderland in 10 years to the point where it will actually influence the gaming industry?
Borderland isn't a bad game, but there's no way you can put it on the same level of quality as Diablo.
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Sales don't lie, either. #twitter
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Also, I don't think it is a really good idea to compare review scores from 1996's magazines to what it is today as what gaming journalists perceive as an "average" score is quite higher than before.
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I respectfully disagree with your assessment Borderlands will neither be remembered as ground breaking and is lacking in character/flavor.
Borderlands successfully integrated aspects of rogue, FPS, and RPG games. Considering the sheer amount of "moving parts" game mechanics, I believe Borderlands executed incredibly well. I personally cannot name a single game that did all the above, so well. In essence, I believe Gear Box's Borderlands has established a new genre, and set the bar for customers' expectations of that genre. Not an easy task.
In addition I believe you're not giving the flavor and credit of the game it's due. The characters Crazy Earl, Scooter and the various claptraps are easy to understand, humorous, aren't god awful annoying. That's an opinion obviously but I think it's one this commonly shared.
Scooter:
"And by good buddy, I mean asshole who broke my mama's girl parts."
That's toilet humor at its best and it's all over the game. The art, humor, and voice acting are all well done and well integrated into the game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say Borderlands is Diablo's superior. That is a Apples and Oranges comparison. Diablo is the paragon of rogue games and my opinion, Borderlands will be the paragon of RPS games. #twitter
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And the claptraps I personally found annoying (except for the Sesame Street typerwriter guy impression). #twitter
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And Claptraps are the worst part of the game. Like they tried to make them a mascot. They're no companion cube, no matter how hard they try. #twitter
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It seems like the folks on the internet can take gaming way too serious and comparing game x versus game y and how similar game a is better then similar game b. So hearing stuff like this is a breath of fresh air.
I still need to get Borderlands. Between replaying Fallout 3 and now Dragon Age: Origins my game time is taken up. For a while. #twitter
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Cliff isn't saying 'Borderlands is Diablo', he's saying that Borderlands is the engaging, and fun kind of game for a lot of people now that Diablo was for a lot of people when it was in its hay-day. #twitter
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But of course, the game being nice does not entitle the guy spokesperson of the year. His mouth is as trashy as the Borderlands scenario. #twitter
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The terrible AI can be forgiven in an action-RPG like Diablo, but in a FPS game? I don't think so. The FPS genre has likely had the biggest improvements in computer AI over the years and you better have your AI up to standards if you want any longevity.
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And when friends ask me to play with them, they don't say, "Hey let's go watch the cutscenes and talk to the NPCs together." No, we go grinding and looting. #twitter
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Thus why I enjoy Borderlands. The quests give me just enough information to justify whatever it is I'm doing, and can run off to entertain myself. Already took Hunter and Siren to 50, working on Berserker now. Want the DLC out soon. #twitter
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Gee, I wonder why your friends don't say that. Hmm. Because, you know, they've already beat the game? Probably multiple times like yourself?
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When Diablo 3 comes out, I will probably play it 10 hours a day for the first 6 months after it comes out.
That's all I really have to say on that. #twitter
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That said, I can (not so fondly) recall my time spent in Borderlands as using the same gun for about 10 levels before I found one that was even remotely better. Which, without armour to collect, meant I wasn't really using the whole loot system very much unless it was for vendor trash. Kinda downplays the whole constantly looking for better equip from Diablo.
And I love Borderlands... its just not quite up to Diablo standards. #twitter
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AI agree that Diablo is King. But as for there not being crap drops, I remember picking through junk just as much as borderlands.
The comparison is as valid as it is obvious even i the drop system was even more different. The spirit of the game is similar.
Heck amongs the million easter eggs and puns (Mad Mel anyone) is a bird you fight named Rakanishu that drops a cracked sash.
Borderlands is great and did a bit to tide me over until Diablo 3. Rather than loot system I would point out the more significant difference is no random dungeon generation. Although I can see that being rather troublesome to develop. #twitter
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I never said it was. It was the loot system that has kept the game alive all these years, and the pvp that can take place with the right build+loot. #twitter
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What I did, however, was make a mule character to hold all of my shit I didn't need but wanted to keep.. Hmmm...maybe I'll do the same for borderlands.... #twitter
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Borderlands and Diablo do have some similarities but to say it's the new Diablo is a pretty far stretch. You have to look at Diablo I and II beyond just the gameplay, and how it was a phenomenon when it came out. Diablo was a title that was uniqe when it came out and is a title that many older games remember fondly years after they stop playing. Borderlands? It's looking like it'll be forgotten by the game community by next year, if it doesn't get washed out completely by the holiday releases.
And the fact that Borderlands isn't clearly "better" even though Diablo 2 came out years ago isn't a good sign. The game may look prettier, and it's a popular FPS format, but the core of the game isn't better than Diablo 2. There aren't many improvements beyond the outer sheen. For something that's supposed to be the "new" Diablo, the best people can say is that it's the same as Diablo? For it to be the new Diablo people should be saying it's BETTER than Diablo. #twitter
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The best Diablo clone that seemed sadly over seen, especially considering it did everything right, looked great and played great was Titan Quest. If Blizzard put their name on it it would have been a mega hit. #twitter
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Or that could just be indicative of the current market where games only matter for a month until the marketing departments of the various publishers decide that their exciting new product deserves all the attention.
It has nothing to do with what genre you grew up with, because I grew up playing pretty much everything but FPSs. Yet I can see this happening across so many different games, many of which have nothing to do with the FPS genre. #twitter
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I can't be the only one who thinks of this every time they mention that damn garbage can. #twitter