Just to make things clear as to what has changed from L4D1 to L4D2:
New Maps (About 25 total if you break up the chapters, or five chapters).
New Weapons, Including:
Desert Eagle
Auto-Snipe rifle.
AK-47
Silenced SMG
Auto-shotgun /w stock (less spread, slightly higher firing rate).
"Boomer Bile" grenade.
Adrenaline Shot
Nightstick
Machete
Guitar
Baseball Bat
Frying Pan
Grenade Launcher
etc.
New Special Infected:
Spitter
Jockey
Charger
New "Uncommon" Infected:
Bulletproof
Fireproof
Swamp Zombie (no idea what it does, just know it's in there).
New Game Modes:
"Realism" (Headshot only, higher damage than Expert. Possibly some map tweaks as it's a completely seperate 'set').
"Scavenge." modes (with the accompanying maps to support 'em).
Really, the point I'm trying to make? There's literally close to like 3 times the weapon, an entire new set of maps, a whole gamut of new infected, new characters, new models, new graphical upgrades (damage modeling is different, Zombies sport upgraded models), about a billion gameplay tweaks.
What... the hell MORE do you want from a Sequel? Seriously? #left4dead2
@Evdor: Oh yay an entire new set of maps! Kind of like how they promised to release an entire new set of maps for the first one right? Oh and if I wanted an entire new set of maps I have like 20 of them I downloaded for fucking FREE. As far as new weapons go the melee weapons completely unbalance things. I beat an entire hoard by just standing in a corner and hitting them with a night stick. As far as new infected go this is another unbalanced aspect. The spitter did 60 damage to me in less than a second, wtf is that, seriously broken. The other modes I could give two shits about all I play is campaign. Fuck this release. Not because I am against a sequel but because this is not the sequel this game deserves. #left4dead2
The Spitter spit on me and it DID DAMAGE! HOLY CRAP! I shoudln't have to AVOID Zombies! I should be able to run through! It's almost like it's going to be HARD on Expert mode and stuff! WTF? NERF! UNFAIR!
THE NEW MELEE WEAPONS ARE UNBALANCED. I mean, if I run out of ammo I no longer have any ranged weapons, it's totally useless against a Tank or Smoker or Boomer, but it kills things too much! I don't like to kill things. Or for them to kill me.
And why the hell would you even buy the game if one aspect of the game appealed to you? I mean, seriously? Listen to yourself. It's obvious you shouldn't have bought the damn game in the first place, nothing's going to please you. #left4dead2
Wow. I'm surprised at all of the "not that impressed with the demo" comments.
I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed the demo, and my only complaint was that 1) it ended too soon and 2) they didn't include a versus mode. But let's be real: campaign mode by itself amounts to about 4-6 hours of gameplay. The real reason to buy this (and the reason I'm buying it) is Versus. I can't count the number of hours I've logged with the original in Versus, and this looks to be even more sweet.
No, I'm not yet convinced that the game couldn't have been a series of DLC releases, but 5 Campaigns, 3 new special infected, tons of new weapons, and a new gameplay mode are worth $60 to me. If that content had been released over time as DLC it would have had a total purchase price of at least $60.
I dunno. Perhaps I'm just a fanboy and drank the Valve koolaid a long time ago without realizing it. If so, it's like they say: ignorance is bliss.
I am still not interested in this game, the first one had little replay value. I am glad to see people preordering a reskinned game. Nintendo should just add a frying pan/chainsaw and a jukebox in the next iteration of Mario kart racing. Here's to you crazy kids. #left4dead2
@TheOnlyNicodemus81: I don't know if you bought the PC version or not, but there are a boatload of custom campaigns available for download. A lot of them surpass the quality of the campaigns that came with the game. #left4dead2
@StarCommentator: Yes. they're lying. That's not something that could blow up in their face. It's all smoke and mirrors, all to convince fanboys who go "OMG BOYCOTT" to think that nobody else. Yeah, that's the ticket. #left4dead2
I can only hope and pray that this or uncharted 2 get game of the year because the steaming pile of dog shit that is Modern Warfare 2 doesn't deserve it. #left4dead2
@SerratedEdge: Everyone already knows everything about the game. It's over rated, and the PC MP experience is inherently broken.
I'm starting to hear rumors that the SP campaign is only 5 hours long. Which lessens the value even more. Uncharted 2 should win GOTY simply because it deserves the title 100%. #left4dead2
@Vulgar_Display:
Portal takes about 2 hours and is considered to be one of the best games released in the last few years. So length isn't an issue.
And just because we know a lot about the game and it is a sequel that will follow a formula, it doesn't mean that it won't be a great experience. Uncharted 2 is a sequel as well.
Until you play all the games worth considering for GOTY, you can't actually say which will win.
Uncharted 2 was fantastic, people have high expectations for MW2 so maybe both should be considered and we can be rational about it by deciding AFTER playing them? #left4dead2
Heres to another 970/1000 achievement points in the first month of owning it, and still playing it almost nightly even after getting that elusive 30 pt Nothing Special almost 9 months later.
@Komrade Kayce: Want to snag Nothing Special the easy way?
Log in a guest controller and start up a system link game on Crash Course. Put your guest on the infected team and choose the Humans for yourself. Then, run the level as fast as you can. When your guest plays the human side, just use him to incap all of his teamates and then finish him off yourself. Start the second round as a human and do the same thing. At the crescendo, when the tank spawns in, make sure you grab your guest controller and move the tank into easy shooting range. Light him up. Hop in the truck and Wha-la! You just got Nothing Special.
Yes, I know this is cheap. But it sure as hell beats spending 20 hours trying to get the cheevo for real. #left4dead2
Do you know what "suck the heads" mean? Cuz I came down here with Keith once, and he didn't know, and...it ain't nothing bad, it's about eatin'. #left4dead2
@CockroachMan: The annual Christmas sale is only a month after release, it will most likely be 25 bucks or less during that. That's when I plan on buying it, but they BETTER fix the bugs in it so far. #left4dead2
@Karth is Ego Tripping: If it's anything like last year, the Christmas Sale is something like:
10%-75% OFF!!!
(Note: Other than a few select games whose publishers are desperate enough to give a massive discount, any game released in the last millenia will only be 10% off.)
I might pick up a few games during that sale, but not L4D2. It'll just be 10% off. Instead, like CockroachMan, I'll wait until a Steam Weekend Deal (usually 50% off), which TF2 has had like a dozen of, and L4D has had 1 or 2, maybe more.
I'm not a big fun of shelling out for annual iterations of video game franchises, and this seems to be the first game I've ever bought (unless I'm forgetting something) that it turns out is one of those.
I'd like to play it, but I can certainly wait for a more appropriate expansion-pack price point. #left4dead2
@nworobes: Yeah, I remember last year's Christmas sale.. got Psychonauts for 50% off and gifted TF2 for a friend for 10 bucks.
But I remember seeing a bunch of newer games getting good discounts. Bioshock was being sold for 5 bucks, and like I said Psychonauts got 50% off. #left4dead2
The demo is insanely laggy, which kind of worries me as I don't recall the demo for the first one being laggy at all. I never pre-order a thing... but I will probably pick this up within a day or two of release. I may even wait a day or two just to make sure the lag issue is just with the demo. #left4dead2
I had the download it for the 360, to see what it had to offer, and it was alright. I did not have any problems with lagging.
I will say the game is probably more fun to play with people than the AI. Not that I have any complaints about the AI. They did extremely well and saved my ass a few times. #left4dead2
@--Core--: This would be on the 360. Every game I joined had significant lag, and the other people in each of those games were complaining about how they had experienced lag in other games as well. There were also several people talking about it being unusually laggy in another forum I frequent..... so I don't think it was just me. #left4dead2
Left 4 Dead 2 is an entirely justified game. It shouldn't be DLC, Valve are allowed to make a sequel this soon after the first game,no problems there.
However...
Gabe Newell has made explicit promises about what will be added to Left 4 Dead as DLC, and not all of these have yet come to fruition (Crash Course fulfils some of them, but not all). So as neat as L4D2 looks, I'm holding out until they make good on their promises for L4D1. Otherwise companies will just get in the habit of promising all kinds of stuff for their games and never coming up with the goods (The Peter Molyneux Model)
Is that what people want? a whole gaming industry filled with Peter Molyneuxes because we didn't hold people to their promises?
11/05/09
New Maps (About 25 total if you break up the chapters, or five chapters).
New Weapons, Including:
Desert Eagle
Auto-Snipe rifle.
AK-47
Silenced SMG
Auto-shotgun /w stock (less spread, slightly higher firing rate).
"Boomer Bile" grenade.
Adrenaline Shot
Nightstick
Machete
Guitar
Baseball Bat
Frying Pan
Grenade Launcher
etc.
New Special Infected:
Spitter
Jockey
Charger
New "Uncommon" Infected:
Bulletproof
Fireproof
Swamp Zombie (no idea what it does, just know it's in there).
New Game Modes:
"Realism" (Headshot only, higher damage than Expert. Possibly some map tweaks as it's a completely seperate 'set').
"Scavenge." modes (with the accompanying maps to support 'em).
Really, the point I'm trying to make? There's literally close to like 3 times the weapon, an entire new set of maps, a whole gamut of new infected, new characters, new models, new graphical upgrades (damage modeling is different, Zombies sport upgraded models), about a billion gameplay tweaks.
What... the hell MORE do you want from a Sequel? Seriously? #left4dead2
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The Spitter spit on me and it DID DAMAGE! HOLY CRAP! I shoudln't have to AVOID Zombies! I should be able to run through! It's almost like it's going to be HARD on Expert mode and stuff! WTF? NERF! UNFAIR!
THE NEW MELEE WEAPONS ARE UNBALANCED. I mean, if I run out of ammo I no longer have any ranged weapons, it's totally useless against a Tank or Smoker or Boomer, but it kills things too much! I don't like to kill things. Or for them to kill me.
And why the hell would you even buy the game if one aspect of the game appealed to you? I mean, seriously? Listen to yourself. It's obvious you shouldn't have bought the damn game in the first place, nothing's going to please you. #left4dead2
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I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed the demo, and my only complaint was that 1) it ended too soon and 2) they didn't include a versus mode. But let's be real: campaign mode by itself amounts to about 4-6 hours of gameplay. The real reason to buy this (and the reason I'm buying it) is Versus. I can't count the number of hours I've logged with the original in Versus, and this looks to be even more sweet.
No, I'm not yet convinced that the game couldn't have been a series of DLC releases, but 5 Campaigns, 3 new special infected, tons of new weapons, and a new gameplay mode are worth $60 to me. If that content had been released over time as DLC it would have had a total purchase price of at least $60.
I dunno. Perhaps I'm just a fanboy and drank the Valve koolaid a long time ago without realizing it. If so, it's like they say: ignorance is bliss.
Now where's my frying pan? #left4dead2
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There are a whole ton listed here:
[www.l4dmaps.com] #left4dead2
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I'm starting to hear rumors that the SP campaign is only 5 hours long. Which lessens the value even more. Uncharted 2 should win GOTY simply because it deserves the title 100%. #left4dead2
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Portal takes about 2 hours and is considered to be one of the best games released in the last few years. So length isn't an issue.
And just because we know a lot about the game and it is a sequel that will follow a formula, it doesn't mean that it won't be a great experience. Uncharted 2 is a sequel as well.
Until you play all the games worth considering for GOTY, you can't actually say which will win.
Uncharted 2 was fantastic, people have high expectations for MW2 so maybe both should be considered and we can be rational about it by deciding AFTER playing them? #left4dead2
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PS3 - multiplayer over PSN
360 - multiplayer over Xbox Live
PC - multiplayer through IW's matchmaking service.
And I really wish that I could de-promote comments after replying to them because your trolling doesn't deserve the attention. #left4dead2
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Love it. :) #left4dead2
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Log in a guest controller and start up a system link game on Crash Course. Put your guest on the infected team and choose the Humans for yourself. Then, run the level as fast as you can. When your guest plays the human side, just use him to incap all of his teamates and then finish him off yourself. Start the second round as a human and do the same thing. At the crescendo, when the tank spawns in, make sure you grab your guest controller and move the tank into easy shooting range. Light him up. Hop in the truck and Wha-la! You just got Nothing Special.
Yes, I know this is cheap. But it sure as hell beats spending 20 hours trying to get the cheevo for real. #left4dead2
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I already have it, the legit way, thanks. #left4dead2
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I pre-ordered the first game, and I liked it, it's an awesome game.. but I got tired of it fast. Haven't played as much as I thought I would.
I plan to buy the second one when it becomes a Steam Weekend deal :P #left4dead2
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So yes, you can definitely say it isn't working well. #left4dead2
11/05/09
10%-75% OFF!!!
(Note: Other than a few select games whose publishers are desperate enough to give a massive discount, any game released in the last millenia will only be 10% off.)
I might pick up a few games during that sale, but not L4D2. It'll just be 10% off. Instead, like CockroachMan, I'll wait until a Steam Weekend Deal (usually 50% off), which TF2 has had like a dozen of, and L4D has had 1 or 2, maybe more.
I'm not a big fun of shelling out for annual iterations of video game franchises, and this seems to be the first game I've ever bought (unless I'm forgetting something) that it turns out is one of those.
I'd like to play it, but I can certainly wait for a more appropriate expansion-pack price point. #left4dead2
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But I remember seeing a bunch of newer games getting good discounts. Bioshock was being sold for 5 bucks, and like I said Psychonauts got 50% off. #left4dead2
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Its a sign of the apocalypse... #left4dead2
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I had the download it for the 360, to see what it had to offer, and it was alright. I did not have any problems with lagging.
I will say the game is probably more fun to play with people than the AI. Not that I have any complaints about the AI. They did extremely well and saved my ass a few times. #left4dead2
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Too bad I can't afford it. ;_; #left4dead2
09/10/09
However...
Gabe Newell has made explicit promises about what will be added to Left 4 Dead as DLC, and not all of these have yet come to fruition (Crash Course fulfils some of them, but not all). So as neat as L4D2 looks, I'm holding out until they make good on their promises for L4D1. Otherwise companies will just get in the habit of promising all kinds of stuff for their games and never coming up with the goods (The Peter Molyneux Model)
Is that what people want? a whole gaming industry filled with Peter Molyneuxes because we didn't hold people to their promises?