When you can all write lyrics anywhere near as brilliant as lil' wayne...then maybe you can talk back. He's had more than a hundred songs and kicks it all from his head. While a lot of it is talking about guns, girls, and drugs...it's done in such a way that's clever and to really understand all the references...you have to focus and listen multiple times. Like the Simpsons. Even the artists that don't like him agree that he's an amazing lyricist.
@iGoldman: Much of his genius comes on an ironic level. It's such an incredibly stupid lyric that it works. Lil Wayne has spearheaded (or at the very least brought to the mainstream) a style of rap in which there is no metaphor.
It's kinda one of those "It's so stupid it just might work!" scenarios.
I'm not saying Lil' Wayne is a lyrical mastermind, but his lyrics are simple, accessible, and simply put, blunt for the masses. And there is something to the idea of keeping your lyrics stupidly simple.
But for every stupid line, on the contrary I do admit he does come out with a sick line or a well put-together verse once in a while. It's just, the amount of lines from Wayne we describe as "it's so stupid it just might work" is countless.
I don't hate him, but I don't like him. Simple as that.
95% of the world consider him "top 5," I just simply beg to differ.
@Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok: In other words the masses tend to lack general intelligence, so lets reach them with lyrics that lack wit as well.
@Albeeezy: Yeah I said it in a different thread farther down, but Lil' Wayne does have some genuinely good lines. But for every good line he has there are about a bajillion others that are incredibly stupid/borderline nonsensical. I don't hate him either, but I can really only tolerate him when remixed with a focus on his cadence and the fact that 90% of what he says is heavily slurred and dumb.
Definitely agree though, no way in hell is he even in the top 50, let alone top 5.
@shadow763: To a certain extent, yes. There are loads of other factors that go into why Lil' Wayne raps the way he does that don't necessarily have anything to do with how intelligent he is or how good a lyricist he is, but I do think a big part of it is to have mass appeal.
One thing I've noticed, a lot of people, especially critics of rap, tend to undersell rappers as middle school drop outs who can barely tie their shoes. What many people fail to realize is that many of these big name rappers are incredibly smart. Not necessarily when it comes to quantam mechanics and astro physics, but they know how to deliver what people want in incredibly proftiable ways. They know how to take an image, market the shit out of it, and give it mass appeal to millions of people all around the world regardless of race, creed, or ethnic background.
Lil Wayne's situation is different, but I feel like the basic principal stands. Then again, maybe he's just an idiot.
man i absolutely love kotaku.. but i cant stand posts about rappers because so much ignorance floods the comments.
im a huge fan of music.. and i like/hate lil wayne at the same time. i like him because i actually think hes very talented coming from someone who freestyles as well.. but i hate him because he wastes his talent and the privileged life hes gained from his talent by talking about crap and wasting his time and money by doin crap like slurpin down syrup and getting high all the time.
he could be doing so much more, but hes not so i dont choose to buy or listen to his music.. and thats that. im not going to talk down about an entire genre of music due to some guys in the spotlight. that point of view is just as stupid as people hating americans back when bush was our president. just like not every rapper shares lil waynes views, not every american shared george bush's.
Rap really has no place on this website does it? I feel like even writing this I should be guarding myself against flamers. I'm not going to argue that Lil' Wayne's raps aren't often misogynistic but I am going to argue that it's not as intentionally virulent as many of you tend to think. Lil' Wayne has a daughter and I can't speak for his fathering ability but I have to assume he doesn't want her to become a whore that just gets abused and has Crystal poured on her, that is unless he is inhuman. As well his would be diatribes against women are probably largely an act, because in large part that has become the dialect of rap, or part of it, which is certainly unfortunate.
But I don't believe that it fully invalidates his music or rap as a whole. There are many interesting or at the very least clever aspects about Lil' Wayne's style of rapping, it's very rhythmic, flows well and he has lots of very clever moments such as in "Mr. Carter" off Tha Carter III when he proclaims "Man, I got Summer hatin' on me cause I'm hotter then the Sun. Got Spring hatin' on me cause I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin' on me cause I'm colder than ya'll. And I would never, I would never, I would never fall," placing himself above constraints such as the seasons themselves in a display of his lyrical prowess, giving it a nigh deity feel.
If that isn't clever to you, think about the state of any other modern genre of music, such as rock which I assume a good deal of you listen to, you see Green Day, Fallout Boy, and all the other cookie cutter, hackneyed musical experiences. And if you listen to superior bands that aren't so big, kudos but that does not invalidate rap either, especially considering the fact that there is a lot of thoughtful rap that isn't popular on a scale near that of Kanye or Jay-Z, most of which breaks conventions and doesn't do things like degrading women, such as A Tribe Called Quest, The Cool Kids or Blackalicious.
Sorry for the rant, but I just always see rap getting the royal screw job on Kotaku. No I don't only listen to rap either.
And I know, tl;dr, or I'm a misogynist for defending rap/Lil' Wayne, or both.
@thisdudesemail000001002003: Lil Wayne has a few moments of pure genius (mostly in an ironic way), but they're far outshadowed by the sheer stupidity of the majority of his rhymes. One thing I cannot deny is that his cadence is very, very uniquely Lil' Wayne, and regardless of whether you can actually understand what he's saying, he can make some very catchy noises. It's that kinda southern drawl/cotton mouth sound he has going on that makes his voice act well as an instrument (hence why so many artists remix his tracks).
Totally agree with you on pretty much everything else though. I'd be willing to guess a good amount of his public persona is an act, much like many other musicians, actors, public figures, etc. And yeah, any discussion of rap on Kotaku brings out trolls who make arguments akin to saying all of jazz music is invalidated because of Kenny G.
@thisdudesemail000001002003: I don't hate rap. I just hate most of the mainstream no-talents. Take Common for example, he may not have catchy lyrics compared to Lil' Wayne, but he can rap without degrading women and his lyrics are creative.
The absurdist, idiotic, ironic side of me can't get enough of everything he represents. And put one his tracks in the hands of a capable artist and holy shit can some good remixes come out of it.
The intelligent side of me is embarrassed that he's really someone black youth look up to.
@TheVegetarianBurgerKing: i wouldn't be surprised if he was fucked up on vodka and and a variety of downers (i don't think that was a milkshake he was drinking).
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He should be the last boss of Silent Hill..
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Man, Lil Weezer, you sure are a deviant, what with all those hardcore Asian tranny movies on your 360! PERVERT!
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Don't forget all the granny three-way videos you wish you never even saw the thumbnails of!
I'm assuming he also has some gay bukkake on there as well.
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That having been said, where is my thread of video game porn titles? I'll start:
Super Street Fucker IV
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Horns OMFG
Let's Fap
and of course Wet and Risen.
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Pure genius.
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"You just don't get the metaphor, man"
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It's kinda one of those "It's so stupid it just might work!" scenarios.
I'm not saying Lil' Wayne is a lyrical mastermind, but his lyrics are simple, accessible, and simply put, blunt for the masses. And there is something to the idea of keeping your lyrics stupidly simple.
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"We're on like the television." Really?
But for every stupid line, on the contrary I do admit he does come out with a sick line or a well put-together verse once in a while. It's just, the amount of lines from Wayne we describe as "it's so stupid it just might work" is countless.
I don't hate him, but I don't like him. Simple as that.
95% of the world consider him "top 5," I just simply beg to differ.
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Definitely agree though, no way in hell is he even in the top 50, let alone top 5.
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One thing I've noticed, a lot of people, especially critics of rap, tend to undersell rappers as middle school drop outs who can barely tie their shoes. What many people fail to realize is that many of these big name rappers are incredibly smart. Not necessarily when it comes to quantam mechanics and astro physics, but they know how to deliver what people want in incredibly proftiable ways. They know how to take an image, market the shit out of it, and give it mass appeal to millions of people all around the world regardless of race, creed, or ethnic background.
Lil Wayne's situation is different, but I feel like the basic principal stands. Then again, maybe he's just an idiot.
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im a huge fan of music.. and i like/hate lil wayne at the same time. i like him because i actually think hes very talented coming from someone who freestyles as well.. but i hate him because he wastes his talent and the privileged life hes gained from his talent by talking about crap and wasting his time and money by doin crap like slurpin down syrup and getting high all the time.
he could be doing so much more, but hes not so i dont choose to buy or listen to his music.. and thats that. im not going to talk down about an entire genre of music due to some guys in the spotlight. that point of view is just as stupid as people hating americans back when bush was our president. just like not every rapper shares lil waynes views, not every american shared george bush's.
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But I don't believe that it fully invalidates his music or rap as a whole. There are many interesting or at the very least clever aspects about Lil' Wayne's style of rapping, it's very rhythmic, flows well and he has lots of very clever moments such as in "Mr. Carter" off Tha Carter III when he proclaims "Man, I got Summer hatin' on me cause I'm hotter then the Sun. Got Spring hatin' on me cause I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin' on me cause I'm colder than ya'll. And I would never, I would never, I would never fall," placing himself above constraints such as the seasons themselves in a display of his lyrical prowess, giving it a nigh deity feel.
If that isn't clever to you, think about the state of any other modern genre of music, such as rock which I assume a good deal of you listen to, you see Green Day, Fallout Boy, and all the other cookie cutter, hackneyed musical experiences. And if you listen to superior bands that aren't so big, kudos but that does not invalidate rap either, especially considering the fact that there is a lot of thoughtful rap that isn't popular on a scale near that of Kanye or Jay-Z, most of which breaks conventions and doesn't do things like degrading women, such as A Tribe Called Quest, The Cool Kids or Blackalicious.
Sorry for the rant, but I just always see rap getting the royal screw job on Kotaku. No I don't only listen to rap either.
And I know, tl;dr, or I'm a misogynist for defending rap/Lil' Wayne, or both.
You know, if this even gets approved.
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Totally agree with you on pretty much everything else though. I'd be willing to guess a good amount of his public persona is an act, much like many other musicians, actors, public figures, etc. And yeah, any discussion of rap on Kotaku brings out trolls who make arguments akin to saying all of jazz music is invalidated because of Kenny G.
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The absurdist, idiotic, ironic side of me can't get enough of everything he represents. And put one his tracks in the hands of a capable artist and holy shit can some good remixes come out of it.
The intelligent side of me is embarrassed that he's really someone black youth look up to.
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They don't do humanity justice, either.
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