This is getting silly now, I want to be able to experience the whole universe of Assassin's Creed 2 through the game, I don't want to have to read books, comics and watch Youtube serializations to experience the whole story... I sincerely hope this is just a retelling of the game and not some extra stuff we'll miss out on for not reading it.
Not that I am anti-books or lazy in that sense, I love to read, but gaming books aren't my thing, I want to play the game not read it.
At first I was cool with this IP expansion stuff, I was ok with getting the PSP game because I have a PSP and I was ok with needing to buy the Black Edition to get the extra levels in the game because I had some extra cash this semester - the Youtube serialization was starting to push it, but it was much better than I was expecting and quite entertaining enough so fine, that's cool... but now a freakin' book?! Seriously Ubisoft - give it a rest now. #assassinscreedii
@sazzrah: When it comes to gaming books I think fantasy and sci-fi novels (dragon age, warcraft, warhammer and warhammer 40k, starcraft, halo, etc) are the usual fare because well the worlds are really big and it's hard to explore most of the storyworld within the game.
In this case it just seems more like a novelization of the game story with tiny added bits. Sort of like the novelization of some movies. #assassinscreedii
The email I received from Ubisoft last week strongly implied that it's actually just the novelisation of the game.
"Penguin are hugely excited to be publishing the novelisation to the second Assassin’s Creed game" said Editorial Director Alex Clarke. "This partnership presents at last a way for traditional book-publishing to cross-over with the ever growing and increasingly exciting world of gaming media."
......as Ezio lunged at Vienetta plunging his blade into the Dukes back.
Chapter 14 Vienetta Dies
As the duke went limp, blood poring from the wound, Ezio cradled him in his arms. "Ah, Assassin, you have killed me. But let me tell you, it will not help your cause for.....
Lorem ipsum yadda yadda etc etc
....but you'll see, you'll see. -sigh-" and the dukes eyes closed with his last breath
Chapter 15 Ezio Flees the Scene
"ASASSIN!!!" shouted a guard realising his masters death. Ezio quickly got up, throwing a smoke bomb to the ground and starting in a sprint....
@MosallahNejad: I'd been trying to find some way to wedge in "Just one Cornetto, give it to me". I dunno, work it in as like a member of some Venice family #assassinscreedii
@Game_Sovereign: Think of it more like baking a cake, and then having a glass of milk to help wash it down. You don't necessarily need any kind of beverage with a cake, but why not go with something that helps enhance it? #assassinscreedii
I would've bought this even if they didn't have Eric Nylund contributing. But since they do, I'm going to buy an extra copy for the bathroom now. :P #haloevolutions
Essential Christmas present for me! I adore anything with Karen Traviss' name on it, and as a big fan of the whole universe of lore the Halo novels have created, this sounds really good.
I can't wait to read that story about the Elites post Halo 3... ooh ooh ooh! And more of the ship to ship combat! I loved that in the Halo novels, it always reminded me of a sort of Star Trek-esque/Old naval battle sort of fighting. *squees*
.. I think i'll stop gushing my halo-fanboyishness now.
Haha, "green suit of armor with a guy inside of it". It's funny because that's pretty much the most effective way to talk about Master Chief in the first place; in the games at least, that dude barely even registers as a person.
As for this book, it seems like it's essentially "Tales from the Empire" or "Tales of the Jedi" from back in the '90s when people actually bought Star Wars short story collections. #haloevolutions
@Archaotic: Ah ha, I remember when i was a kid, and every time I went to the local library i'd take out Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina and Tales of the Bounty Hunters. I loved those books!
They tried to do it more recently with Death Star, but although I really like it, it just doesn't compare to the nostalgia factor of the Tales anthologies. #haloevolutions
@Archaotic:
"in the games at least, that dude barely even registers as a person."
There is a little humanity. Chief jokes with Cortana on multiple occassions in the games. Given the process that it took to make him a Spartan, it's no wonder he is the way he is.
Less time talking is more time for ass whooping. #haloevolutions
I just can't understand that Mike Resnick did novelisation for Tomb raider (!) and was not part of this... Such a waste. I don't know if covenants get married, but the masterchief would definitely make a great widowmaker. #haloevolutions
In reference to the picture of the Asian maid, I don't find very many Asian woman attractive. Of course, Asian woman don't find me attractive either so I guess we're even. #akihabara
@roscoe: I don't ever remember being racist, I just don't find Asian women very attractive. And to be fair, racist individuals tend to be the first ones who accuse others of being racist. I've got my eye on you...
@NeVeRMoRe666: I don't know if you actually read Harpo's comment completely. He didn't say that he doesn't like how black people look, he simply stated that he's not sexually attracted to black women. To create racial tension where none exist, make a person a racist. It's a matter of personal taste, not race. #akihabara
@luckyguy183: It goes deeper than that though. I mean, sure taste is subjective but so is race. When you actively make a decision on whether or not to date someone, and you based that decision to exclude someone based on their physical appearance, and in this case, on their race, then that, to me, is racist. You could claim "taste" all you want, but at the end of the day, that "taste" has to have evolved from somewhere.
In any case, I don't think you meant to be racist per se, I think you're just shallow. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: I don't mean to sound like a jerk but;
rac⋅ism
/ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm]
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
What has been expressed is simply a preference and has nothing to do with believing oneself to be better than someone of another race, nor shown any 'hatred or intolerance' towards others.
Such an ugly topic, let's all just hug instead :D
-B
P.S. now if someone made a blanket statement that "all Asian women were ugly", then I would agree with you.
@NeVeRMoRe666: I respect your opinion and appreciate your civil reply, but I politely disagree with your reasoning. Race is not subjective in any sense. When someone says that they are African-American or Japanese or whatever, they either are, or they're not. Now whether or not someone IDENTIFIES with a certain race or culture, that is subjective.
I'm married to a woman 7 years younger than me with blonde hair and fake breasts. Does this mean that I hate anyone who's not 7 years younger than me, with blonde hair and fake breasts? No. It simply means that I prefer young blondes with huge tits. I admit that I'm shallow but I'm most certainly not racist. I apologize to everyone who took my comment the wrong way. It was simply a void attempt at a lame joke.
@NeVeRMoRe666: Well, we all have something called TASTES in partners. For example, when I say I don't like asians, I mean I simply don't find the basic traits in an asian woman attractive for me.
As in, racist in a harmless, well-meaning way? If you think about THAT, I'd say almost every single person is a racist, if that would be the definiton. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: Physical attraction does not hold any political correctness, it doesn't need to. Those fluids and synapses in your brain don't really pay attention to cultural PC bull.
Now if I said I don't find black people attractive because of their culture and butchering of the English language. I would be considered racist and not worth anyones time. (This is an example..) #akihabara
@Baka Roboto Inu: I'm glad that you bring that up because I have issues with point "2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination."
"According to your idea, I'm a racist if I wouldn't wanna sleep with an African woman?"
To me, this is a doctrine of discrimination. If you are actively making a judgement about excluding a person based solely on their race, then you have to examine the why? What is it that turns you off about that person or their race? Is their ethnic features not good enough for you? What inherent beliefs do you really have? It's okay to say you don't like a particular person because they have this or that (shallow as it maybe) but to say you don't find Asian's attractive implies a system that includes race as a determinant.
Preferring one race over another is a different matter altogether,but excluding one race based on "preference" is the issue at hand. When you make a value judgement about anyone based on their looks in terms of your preference, you are evaluating their worth in relations to you- implying a standard of attractiveness nevertheless implies a hierarchy. When you link those looks to their ethnic features, then it becomes an issue of race- racism comes about when you generalize it as a part of your policy.
@fffuubox: Let me clear this up for you. When you decide not to date someone based on the appearance of their race, you are actively making a judgement on the physical features of their race. Let me bring this up again: "According to your idea, I'm a racist if I wouldn't wanna sleep with an African woman?"
Now examine what he had just said- why would you not want to sleep with her? Is it because she's black? What if she had a perfect personality? What then? He is making a blanket decision based entirely on race- a preference no less, but a racist one at that.
If you still don't think my point holds any water, consider this:
What is it about their appearance that you don't like? #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: At least how I see it when you are talking about a physical attractiveness of a STRANGER. You kind of see them as an object at face value. What I mean at a biological level what you like and don't like are not in your minds control. Christ look at advertising in the media as a example.
Once you put the social aspect and meet people, a lot of that physical crap gets pushed aside, hell some of the sexiest people I know at face value are not the prettiest people ever.. so take it for what it is. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: Please take your time with this post, because I wanna make myself perfectly clear.
Well, I think I speak for the most of us when I say it's not discussing politics that get me sexually aroused, at least not as a first and fore-most factor xD. I can appreciate looks, and looks is the primary thing that gets me sexually aroused. I think it's the same for most people. And black women simply don't get me aroused as often as white women. OF COURSE there's hundreds of black ladies I'd love to be with ( this is really awkward... ), but there's something about their looks that don't get me as hot...
Again, don't get me wrong, they can be as pretty or prettIER than white women. But, judging from experience, I more often take a liking to white women.
If I take a (sexual) liking to what a woman looks like and a (sexual) disliking to what a woman looks like, is that still being racist, the bad way? Not trying to generalize, but most black women share the same traits that I don't like as much.
All people are EQUAL, but UNIQUE. I am -NOT- judging people by principle, I'm just stating a fact; I usually don't get attracted to black women. Usually.
Am I making myself clear? I apologize if I came off as a racist piece of shit. It was not my intention. I just need you to understand that we all have likes and dislikes. I'm pretty sure you do, too. #akihabara
@MrBrau: But that's exactly my point. When you look at someone and judge them based on their looks, wouldn't you call that shallow?When you look at someone and decide that you find them unattractive because they are XXX race, would you still call it being shallow? Or is it something else altogether? #akihabara
@Harpo: Of course, I apologize if I came off as harsh. I don't think you or anyone else here meant to be racist, I'm just trying to drive discussion at this point.
A few points I would like to bring up in your post: When you say you don't like a certain trait, which one and why? (Hypothetical-Don't answer-I'm applying it to everyone not just you-like you said, everyone has preferences). I think the answer you or anyone else answers with reveals a lot about you and how you conceptualize race and looks and the like. More importantly, I think this, in itself, would be valuable in examining the motivations that drive one's preferences. As I'm sure, most people would rather not discuss such things in public, less they become labeled as racist. Now, I'm not saying you are but it is specifically because the way Luckyguy worded his post that this had come up. I seriously doubt he would be comfortable listing the traits he doesn't like in Asian women.
"But, judging from experience, I more often take a liking to white women. I don't really think there is anything wrong in having preferences for one over the other, or liking a specific "race" but I do think there is something wrong in excluding an entire race based upon their physical features. For one, it's generalizing looks into categories (small eyes, big teeth?), stereotyping might be a better word than racism, I suppose. And for another, it's still a value judgement based on looks. Perfering one, not liking one, and liking one may all seem like different sides of the same coin, but they're really not- they imply different things about you.
Anyway, I would very much like to take the heat out of this and just talk or go to sleep. I don't think anyone here is racist, rather, I think we're all just a little racist.
@NeVeRMoRe666: Wait, weren't you talking racism? Being shallow is not racism.
and no, it is not shallow to not find a specific race attractive at face value with no personal attachment to that person... Its like saying people who like the color purple are shallow. Being attracted to something (sexually or otherwise) at a core level is strictly instinct.. nothing more.. People you or I see around us when evaluated for physical reasons aren't really even looked at as people.. just objects..
It is honestly very simple, and from what I understand this little discussion is about face value looks, so we might be derailing this into the woods a bit. #akihabara
@Odin: Maybe, but I don't think the distinction between the two is that clear-cut. If you don't find someone attractive, then you find them...? #akihabara
@luckyguy183: Aaaah....now you make me feel bad for baggin on you. Although, I had only really took issue with Harpo's statement and not yours. If it helps, I'm only still typing because I'm procrastinating on a ton of work and now I'm jealous of your fake breasts.
In any case, to clarify: when I said race is subjective I meant that making a decision on whether one likes or dislikes a trait is subjective and in linking that trait to race and then generalizing it makes it racist. Or something like that, I forgot and I'm getting tired.
It doesn't really matter anyway, no harm was done .
@NeVeRMoRe666: You are RETARDED!
You think when a woman see's a man in a bar that she isnt looking at his face, skin, hair, body?
When a man see's a woman you dont think hes checking her eyes, ass, breasts, hair, skin out?
Its not racism, good fuck..you have issues man..
Im sorry, here on planet earth...ppl look at the physical first and foremost and for some thats all that matters to them, is that racist? NO, its called being shallow or just knowing what you want in a mate.
In reference to the picture of the Asian maid, I don't find very many Asian woman attractive.
Sorry Luckyguy, I'm using this as an example. My post maybe more explicit, but it's not that different. When you say that you don't find someone attractive, that conveys how you feel about the subject matter, when you generalize it as applying to everyone or their entire race, you stereotype. See where I'm coming from?
P.S. Me too, although I should get back to real work.... #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: Well, what do you think I don't like in black women?
Lemme tell you.
It's the skin color, really. I just prefer the ladies with a peachy milk skin...that's my only really...one thing that makes me prefer white women with that kind of skin. Of course, there's lots of girls that ruin their skin with too much sun, smoking and the like. That's disgusting and harmful. But in the end, it's the milky skin some girls have...it's what attracts me a lot. And dark skin color is, to me, the opposite of that. It can look AWESOME sometimes...but mostly, I prefer the pale, white, untouched skin. Black women don't have that, unless they suffer from vitiligo. I also like brunettes and blondes more...
If you thought I was preferring other things, I find that's a little irrelevant. Anyone can have small eyes and big teeth. #akihabara
@Fociz: First and foremost, figure things out before you post. The discussion here isn't simply limited to the prima facie urges one gets in the bar, nor the qualities one is attracted to. But rather, when those qualities are tied to race.
Do you stay away from the black girls at the bar? Do you give that little Pankistani girl the time of day? If not solely because you don't like the qualities that they are born with, would that be considered racist?
So far, you've brought nothing to the table and all you've managed to do is embarrass yourself. Take some time to chill out and then try again. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666:
I find them. Not finding someone attractive is not the same as thinking that they are ugly. I don't find men attractive and yet I wouldn't say all men are ugly.
Attractiveness is a matter of taste anyway. I don't find obese women, certain hairstyles or disproportionate breasts attractive. That might make me a bit shallow but I'm not discriminative towards people that have those features just because I'm not personally attracted to them.
Racism is an issue of discrimination. Attraction is an issue of personal feelings. Generally you can't help if you're attracted to someone's looks or not, they either do it for you or they don't. The key point is whether you use that personal feeling to demean, hate or attack them for the way they look. That's when it turns from a matter of taste to a matter of racism. #akihabara
@Odin: Hmm...yeah. Those are all completely valid points. Maybe racism wasn't the best word to use on the outset, but perhaps stereotyping or even discrimination would have been more apt. I think the issue with the post is that when he had said that he doesn't find many Asian women attractive, he not only pinpointed a feature that was supposedly indicative of the entire race, but also one/or many he viewed as negative. While there may not have been anything malicious in his post, I do feel as if there was something a bit short-sighted about it. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: You've got to be one of the most lastingly put-together respondees on an issue fraught with consequences beyond the console I've read here in some time. I hope whatever work you had to get done got done, but if it didn't, know that you still spent your time well. #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666:
I think what you're searching for isn't sterotyping, racism or even discrimination. I think it's generalisation. The key thing that sets that apart is it doesn't bear negative connotations. It's not an unfair generalisation to say that most asian people share similar physical traits. Sure it doesn't mean they all look the same but generally they have an appearance that makes them recognisably asian.
(DISCLAIMER: Just to note I'm only using asian as an example because it's at the heart of the subject matter. I shouldn't have to add this but I feel like I should just in case.)
Generalisation only becomes stereotyping/racist/discriminatory when it becomes an unfair representation. As human beings we tend to categorise things a lot and find it easier if we can group things together. Hence generalisation. It's not a bad thing by itself but it can be used wrongly and that's when it turns into something nastier. #akihabara
@Odin: w00t! I can get used to this 'sucking up to' deal. Shit! =D
Now I went off-topic, but I really think you summed it all up nicely there. It's sad that discussions like this can get sensitive and offend some people, but then again, I can see why. It's still important for us to be able to talk about topics like these. I really think so. #akihabara
@Harpo: The mind of men is keen to make connections, to archive, to sort by group specifications. This is mostly due to physical appearance and characteristics. See grouping of species, i.e mammals, reptiles, etc.
The initial post (luckyguy) can both be viewed rascist or non-rascist. Rascism can be defined but each person applies it differently, therefore it's subjective. The only thing ordinary men and woman are guilty of is being too shallow to look past the rascism, but that's different story alltogether.
Shallowness is what leaves you with a young blonde with jugs, wether that's good or bad, once again, personal preference. In the end society and culture are arbitrary in itself so your way of dealing with it as such, is not to be judged unless it contains a message of hate or is destructive in nature.
recap, whether you're into black booty, white boobs or those delightful asian moaning sounds, that's your choice and damned what anyone thinks about it.
( I ended with a stereotypical remark.. doesn't that just piss you off) #akihabara
@NeVeRMoRe666: No harm done, brother. Please don't feel bad. The whole reason I love Kotaku is the ability to share opinions and ideas with other people. Opinions are not clubs that you beat each other with. They're simply personal expressions of the culmination of our feelings and experiences. If we respect them as such, it's entirely possible to have meaningful and civil discussions involving controversial subjects. And I don't ever have a problem apologizing if any of my statements are wrongly perceived. Statesmanship seems to be a lost art these days. Maybe we can bring it back. #akihabara
@luckyguy183:
I'm just adding my comment so this sequence of replies can be yet another boring entry on the Guinness Book of stupid crap no one cares.
Anyways, no, the original luckyguy183 comment wasn't racist.
It could be viewed as generalization, because every time you summarize a group of people with a certain attribute, it's generalization. But it really isn't offending someone based on his/her skin color, so no racism.
It's also an unnecessary, ignorant comment no one should care about, but instead it's the one that got most attention. #akihabara
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: I appreciate that you saw no racist intent in my original comment, but I'm curious what led you to conclude that my comment was ignorant? I agree that the statement was unnecessary, but one could argue that all of the comments on this site are unnecessary. The news being reported is not at all dependant on the comments of the readers. I do feel bad that instead of realizing that the original statement was made in jest (it's intent was to poke fun at myself), people assumed that it was a complete representation of my beliefs. It was not. #akihabara
11/08/09
Not that I am anti-books or lazy in that sense, I love to read, but gaming books aren't my thing, I want to play the game not read it.
At first I was cool with this IP expansion stuff, I was ok with getting the PSP game because I have a PSP and I was ok with needing to buy the Black Edition to get the extra levels in the game because I had some extra cash this semester - the Youtube serialization was starting to push it, but it was much better than I was expecting and quite entertaining enough so fine, that's cool... but now a freakin' book?! Seriously Ubisoft - give it a rest now. #assassinscreedii
11/08/09
In this case it just seems more like a novelization of the game story with tiny added bits. Sort of like the novelization of some movies. #assassinscreedii
11/08/09
"Penguin are hugely excited to be publishing the novelisation to the second Assassin’s Creed game" said Editorial Director Alex Clarke. "This partnership presents at last a way for traditional book-publishing to cross-over with the ever growing and increasingly exciting world of gaming media."
[tinyurl.com] #assassinscreedii
11/08/09
Chapter 14
Vienetta Dies
As the duke went limp, blood poring from the wound, Ezio cradled him in his arms. "Ah, Assassin, you have killed me. But let me tell you, it will not help your cause for.....
Lorem ipsum yadda yadda etc etc
....but you'll see, you'll see. -sigh-" and the dukes eyes closed with his last breath
Chapter 15
Ezio Flees the Scene
"ASASSIN!!!" shouted a guard realising his masters death. Ezio quickly got up, throwing a smoke bomb to the ground and starting in a sprint....
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I play RPGs; all's the reading I needs.
RPGs - the novels of videogames. #assassinscreedii
11/08/09
Some RPGs have supplemental texts as well. #assassinscreedii
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Then you have The Elder Scrolls RPGs, some of which actually do have readable ~10-20-page books inside the game. And they're actually quite good!
Want to read Oblivion's books?
[www.uesp.net]
11/08/09
Ah yes...don't know why that game slipped my mind... #assassinscreedii
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I can't wait to read that story about the Elites post Halo 3... ooh ooh ooh! And more of the ship to ship combat! I loved that in the Halo novels, it always reminded me of a sort of Star Trek-esque/Old naval battle sort of fighting. *squees*
.. I think i'll stop gushing my halo-fanboyishness now.
10/27/09
As for this book, it seems like it's essentially "Tales from the Empire" or "Tales of the Jedi" from back in the '90s when people actually bought Star Wars short story collections. #haloevolutions
10/27/09
They tried to do it more recently with Death Star, but although I really like it, it just doesn't compare to the nostalgia factor of the Tales anthologies. #haloevolutions
10/27/09
"in the games at least, that dude barely even registers as a person."
There is a little humanity. Chief jokes with Cortana on multiple occassions in the games. Given the process that it took to make him a Spartan, it's no wonder he is the way he is.
Less time talking is more time for ass whooping. #haloevolutions
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It's like Costco! #akihabara
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*scowls menacingly in your direction* #akihabara
10/23/09
According to your idea, I'm a racist if I wouldn't wanna sleep with an African woman?
What about white women who likes black guys? Are they racist, too? #akihabara
10/23/09
I don't like how black people look, is that cool with you? #akihabara
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In any case, I don't think you meant to be racist per se, I think you're just shallow. #akihabara
10/23/09
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rac⋅ism
/ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm]
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
What has been expressed is simply a preference and has nothing to do with believing oneself to be better than someone of another race, nor shown any 'hatred or intolerance' towards others.
Such an ugly topic, let's all just hug instead :D
-B
P.S. now if someone made a blanket statement that "all Asian women were ugly", then I would agree with you.
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I'm married to a woman 7 years younger than me with blonde hair and fake breasts. Does this mean that I hate anyone who's not 7 years younger than me, with blonde hair and fake breasts? No. It simply means that I prefer young blondes with huge tits. I admit that I'm shallow but I'm most certainly not racist. I apologize to everyone who took my comment the wrong way. It was simply a void attempt at a lame joke.
*hangs head in shame* #akihabara
10/23/09
As in, racist in a harmless, well-meaning way? If you think about THAT, I'd say almost every single person is a racist, if that would be the definiton. #akihabara
10/23/09
Now if I said I don't find black people attractive because of their culture and butchering of the English language. I would be considered racist and not worth anyones time. (This is an example..) #akihabara
10/23/09
"According to your idea, I'm a racist if I wouldn't wanna sleep with an African woman?"
To me, this is a doctrine of discrimination. If you are actively making a judgement about excluding a person based solely on their race, then you have to examine the why? What is it that turns you off about that person or their race? Is their ethnic features not good enough for you? What inherent beliefs do you really have? It's okay to say you don't like a particular person because they have this or that (shallow as it maybe) but to say you don't find Asian's attractive implies a system that includes race as a determinant.
Preferring one race over another is a different matter altogether,but excluding one race based on "preference" is the issue at hand. When you make a value judgement about anyone based on their looks in terms of your preference, you are evaluating their worth in relations to you- implying a standard of attractiveness nevertheless implies a hierarchy. When you link those looks to their ethnic features, then it becomes an issue of race- racism comes about when you generalize it as a part of your policy.
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Now examine what he had just said- why would you not want to sleep with her? Is it because she's black? What if she had a perfect personality? What then? He is making a blanket decision based entirely on race- a preference no less, but a racist one at that.
If you still don't think my point holds any water, consider this:
What is it about their appearance that you don't like? #akihabara
10/23/09
Once you put the social aspect and meet people, a lot of that physical crap gets pushed aside, hell some of the sexiest people I know at face value are not the prettiest people ever.. so take it for what it is. #akihabara
10/23/09
Well, I think I speak for the most of us when I say it's not discussing politics that get me sexually aroused, at least not as a first and fore-most factor xD. I can appreciate looks, and looks is the primary thing that gets me sexually aroused. I think it's the same for most people. And black women simply don't get me aroused as often as white women. OF COURSE there's hundreds of black ladies I'd love to be with ( this is really awkward... ), but there's something about their looks that don't get me as hot...
Again, don't get me wrong, they can be as pretty or prettIER than white women. But, judging from experience, I more often take a liking to white women.
If I take a (sexual) liking to what a woman looks like and a (sexual) disliking to what a woman looks like, is that still being racist, the bad way? Not trying to generalize, but most black women share the same traits that I don't like as much.
All people are EQUAL, but UNIQUE. I am -NOT- judging people by principle, I'm just stating a fact; I usually don't get attracted to black women. Usually.
Am I making myself clear? I apologize if I came off as a racist piece of shit. It was not my intention. I just need you to understand that we all have likes and dislikes. I'm pretty sure you do, too. #akihabara
10/23/09
10/23/09
I think after reading all these comments I can sum this up in two sentences -
Taste: Not finding certain physical characteristics of a race sexually attractive to you personally.
Racism: Saying that all asian/black people are ugly. #akihabara
10/23/09
A few points I would like to bring up in your post: When you say you don't like a certain trait, which one and why? (Hypothetical-Don't answer-I'm applying it to everyone not just you-like you said, everyone has preferences). I think the answer you or anyone else answers with reveals a lot about you and how you conceptualize race and looks and the like. More importantly, I think this, in itself, would be valuable in examining the motivations that drive one's preferences. As I'm sure, most people would rather not discuss such things in public, less they become labeled as racist. Now, I'm not saying you are but it is specifically because the way Luckyguy worded his post that this had come up. I seriously doubt he would be comfortable listing the traits he doesn't like in Asian women.
"But, judging from experience, I more often take a liking to white women. I don't really think there is anything wrong in having preferences for one over the other, or liking a specific "race" but I do think there is something wrong in excluding an entire race based upon their physical features. For one, it's generalizing looks into categories (small eyes, big teeth?), stereotyping might be a better word than racism, I suppose. And for another, it's still a value judgement based on looks. Perfering one, not liking one, and liking one may all seem like different sides of the same coin, but they're really not- they imply different things about you.
Anyway, I would very much like to take the heat out of this and just talk or go to sleep. I don't think anyone here is racist, rather, I think we're all just a little racist.
:) #akihabara
10/23/09
and no, it is not shallow to not find a specific race attractive at face value with no personal attachment to that person... Its like saying people who like the color purple are shallow. Being attracted to something (sexually or otherwise) at a core level is strictly instinct.. nothing more.. People you or I see around us when evaluated for physical reasons aren't really even looked at as people.. just objects..
It is honestly very simple, and from what I understand this little discussion is about face value looks, so we might be derailing this into the woods a bit. #akihabara
10/23/09
"Now if I said I don't find black people attractive because of their culture and butchering of the English language. I would be considered racist
"I don't find asians attractive because they have slanty eyes and huge teeth"
/not racist right? #akihabara
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10/23/09
Plus you are stereotyping...
btw I am enjoying this conversation don't get me wrong :P
10/23/09
In any case, to clarify: when I said race is subjective I meant that making a decision on whether one likes or dislikes a trait is subjective and in linking that trait to race and then generalizing it makes it racist. Or something like that, I forgot and I'm getting tired.
It doesn't really matter anyway, no harm was done .
10/23/09
You think when a woman see's a man in a bar that she isnt looking at his face, skin, hair, body?
When a man see's a woman you dont think hes checking her eyes, ass, breasts, hair, skin out?
Its not racism, good fuck..you have issues man..
Im sorry, here on planet earth...ppl look at the physical first and foremost and for some thats all that matters to them, is that racist? NO, its called being shallow or just knowing what you want in a mate.
Racism../rolls eyes.
Get a grip. #akihabara
10/23/09
In reference to the picture of the Asian maid, I don't find very many Asian woman attractive.
Sorry Luckyguy, I'm using this as an example. My post maybe more explicit, but it's not that different. When you say that you don't find someone attractive, that conveys how you feel about the subject matter, when you generalize it as applying to everyone or their entire race, you stereotype. See where I'm coming from?
P.S. Me too, although I should get back to real work.... #akihabara
10/23/09
Lemme tell you.
It's the skin color, really. I just prefer the ladies with a peachy milk skin...that's my only really...one thing that makes me prefer white women with that kind of skin. Of course, there's lots of girls that ruin their skin with too much sun, smoking and the like. That's disgusting and harmful. But in the end, it's the milky skin some girls have...it's what attracts me a lot. And dark skin color is, to me, the opposite of that. It can look AWESOME sometimes...but mostly, I prefer the pale, white, untouched skin. Black women don't have that, unless they suffer from vitiligo. I also like brunettes and blondes more...
If you thought I was preferring other things, I find that's a little irrelevant. Anyone can have small eyes and big teeth. #akihabara
10/23/09
Do you stay away from the black girls at the bar? Do you give that little Pankistani girl the time of day? If not solely because you don't like the qualities that they are born with, would that be considered racist?
So far, you've brought nothing to the table and all you've managed to do is embarrass yourself. Take some time to chill out and then try again. #akihabara
10/23/09
P.S. I really don't think this is the best area for either one of us to delve into... #akihabara
10/23/09
I find them. Not finding someone attractive is not the same as thinking that they are ugly. I don't find men attractive and yet I wouldn't say all men are ugly.
Attractiveness is a matter of taste anyway. I don't find obese women, certain hairstyles or disproportionate breasts attractive. That might make me a bit shallow but I'm not discriminative towards people that have those features just because I'm not personally attracted to them.
Racism is an issue of discrimination. Attraction is an issue of personal feelings. Generally you can't help if you're attracted to someone's looks or not, they either do it for you or they don't. The key point is whether you use that personal feeling to demean, hate or attack them for the way they look. That's when it turns from a matter of taste to a matter of racism. #akihabara
10/23/09
10/23/09
They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not that dark skin isn't lovely-looking.
And no, I'm not afraid if talking about this. I got nothing to hide. #akihabara
10/23/09
10/23/09
I think what you're searching for isn't sterotyping, racism or even discrimination. I think it's generalisation. The key thing that sets that apart is it doesn't bear negative connotations. It's not an unfair generalisation to say that most asian people share similar physical traits. Sure it doesn't mean they all look the same but generally they have an appearance that makes them recognisably asian.
(DISCLAIMER: Just to note I'm only using asian as an example because it's at the heart of the subject matter. I shouldn't have to add this but I feel like I should just in case.)
Generalisation only becomes stereotyping/racist/discriminatory when it becomes an unfair representation. As human beings we tend to categorise things a lot and find it easier if we can group things together. Hence generalisation. It's not a bad thing by itself but it can be used wrongly and that's when it turns into something nastier. #akihabara
10/23/09
10/23/09
Well I'm promoting this comment because it strokes my ego. Yesiree. _ #akihabara
10/23/09
Now I went off-topic, but I really think you summed it all up nicely there. It's sad that discussions like this can get sensitive and offend some people, but then again, I can see why. It's still important for us to be able to talk about topics like these. I really think so. #akihabara
10/23/09
The initial post (luckyguy) can both be viewed rascist or non-rascist. Rascism can be defined but each person applies it differently, therefore it's subjective. The only thing ordinary men and woman are guilty of is being too shallow to look past the rascism, but that's different story alltogether.
Shallowness is what leaves you with a young blonde with jugs, wether that's good or bad, once again, personal preference. In the end society and culture are arbitrary in itself so your way of dealing with it as such, is not to be judged unless it contains a message of hate or is destructive in nature.
recap, whether you're into black booty, white boobs or those delightful asian moaning sounds, that's your choice and damned what anyone thinks about it.
( I ended with a stereotypical remark.. doesn't that just piss you off) #akihabara
10/23/09
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10/23/09
I'm just adding my comment so this sequence of replies can be yet another boring entry on the Guinness Book of stupid crap no one cares.
Anyways, no, the original luckyguy183 comment wasn't racist.
It could be viewed as generalization, because every time you summarize a group of people with a certain attribute, it's generalization. But it really isn't offending someone based on his/her skin color, so no racism.
It's also an unnecessary, ignorant comment no one should care about, but instead it's the one that got most attention. #akihabara
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Still, very useful I guess for thoes who want to listen while walking around the city.
And second shot: so much chibi in the background. XP #akihabara