Very, very true. There is a feeling of subservience that runs through that blog, almost as if she's taken it up on herself to 'educate the women' on how to live with a gamer. Its not there all the time, but it is there.
However, she does make some good points about consideration, back and forth, and understanding the other person. I particularly appreciate the comparisons between how the girls spend their time (shopping, spa's and whatnot) vs how the guys spend their time.
Their is not better way to spend/enjoy/waste time on recreational activities. It is only when these activities become the dictator of the rest of the schedule, and the relationship gets neglected because of it, that it should then be a problem.
This is how it works at our house:
During the day (because I don't work), I play video games, mostly on the 360.
When the boy gets home, I get off and give the 360 over to him to play for the evening (while I do things like make dinner).
On weekends:
The boy plays the 360 out front, and I mess around on the computer or go in the back and play PS2.
Come on now people, I don't care how much you like gaming, being in a relationship with someone supersedes your personal interests. If someone is being a dictator in the relationship and tells you what to do all the time, it isn't a gaming problem it is just a problem and if you game all the time and pay no attention to your partner then that's not a gaming problem, that is just a problem. Tolerating excessive demands such as gaming all the time and/or getting bossed around just fosters a bad relationship. If you're both the type who spend hours a day playing WoW, or another community based game, I would say that you're more in a relationship with your guild and less in a relationship with your partner.
@GoonerVance: " being in a relationship with someone supersedes your personal interests."
Sure. If you're whipped. No, it's VERY IMPORTANT for both sides of the relationship to have their own activities on top of ones they can share. It's healthy.
You're contributors to a team effort in a relationship; being with each other is not the end-all, be-all goal.
@Phydeaux: You're only whipped if you're the only one giving up things you want to do for the relationship. If you both give up things then how can one of you be whipped?
Ok, seriously, all of you guys bashing this needs to stop and think for two seconds.
It is obvious the target audience of the blog in question is not me or most of you.
That doesn't mean you need to bash it, and intentionally misunderstand some of what's said in the article.
My girlfriend doesn't really mind me playing games, she doesn't really like games though . I'm pretty sure she'd be offended by the idea of being labeled a "gamer's girl". Just as she's into fashion, there's no way I'd wanna be called a "Designers's boy", and I sure as shit wouldn't wanna read a blog for boyfriends of girls into fashion. Not having a dig at your post AJ, more questioning the idea behind that blog. I'll be checking that blog out as it gives an interesting perspective on female attitudes to gaming, I just don't think many girls will be comfortable with the GG label, maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
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As a gamer girl myself, I understand my boyfriend if he's too engrossed playing WoW than spending time with me. I'll let him get on with it because I know there's some games that NEEDS attention, and I play WoW too. Also, he's a games programmer thus always has a long day at work. ;/ I give him massages whilst he plays games.
It's all about love and everything being copacetic. We play games together too when we can like Left4Dead. :) I'm a better gamer than him.
Although, seriously, if you can't handle your boyfriend playing video games then you just shouldn't date him, you whiny little bitches. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS SOMETIMES TO FIND A SAVE POINT.
@Kusanagii: Uh I think the fact they don't understand these things IS the point of this. You don't have to share all your interests to maintain a healthy relationship and I know couples who both share and don't share their love of gaming with each other and they're working out fine.
If you don't know why they need to be on WoW from 6-10pm on a wednesday though it's probably quite frustrating because they don't understand why their boyfriend is ignoring them.
It's not about whining, simply coming to understand their hobby and making sure those misunderstandings don't get in the way of your relationship.
@Janxer:
Haha! I laughed too. It's so true!
Sometimes you left that last save point on the other side of the map a whole hour-of-random-encounters ago.
@Odin: I understand what you're getting at. Although my original post became quite distorted because I found the whole thing ridiculous so I went on a rage post.
Girls are the least understanding, and close-minded things ever. And guys on the other hand sometimes don't care that much to ask about things which is good ("Hey baby, what's up?" "Stomach cramps." "Oh, WHOAH. Ok.")
So my issue are these girls who don't ask their boyfriends themselves, the question 'why?' Or maintain an interest in hearing the answer instead of hating on them and going 'Pfft, whatever.',
it's never about 'the games are more important than me! He doesn't love me!' NEVER. It's like if a girl is painting her nails, and does one nail half painted because her boyfriend interrupted her, she'd be going 'OH GOD PISS-OFF I NEED TO FINISH MY NAIL BEFORE IT DRIES,' see, painting nails sometimes needs concentration. And time. Things need time.
These girls need to relate the things they do to the things their gamer boyfriends do. Instead of being on such a short fuse and not understanding 'why he's shouting like a maniac about killing some 'boss' before it's game over and he needs to start over again.'
Yeah.. I don't think I know what I'm saying anymore. I'm tired.
PS: I'm kinda new to Kotaku membership. I vaguely understand what 'approved' means (made my comment shown) but what about 'promoted?'
Cheers. ANd bless your heart if you didn't go 'tl;dr.'
If you're dating a gamer boy, then really...you should know what you're up against when you're dating him? That's what I see...
I mean, as a girl that plays games I would like to find a guy that plays games too so we can coop on things or chat about games.
But if you're going out with a guy that likes to play Madden or whatever, then shouldn't you...I don't know...discuss that before starting a relationship? I can tell you this, annoying a fellow during a game is just going to end in him A) Not listening to you or B) Screaming/annoying crap.
If a guy comes home from a long day of work and he wants to play a couple of hours of game, let him relax and then talk about shit later. (If he works all day and comes home, not if he's a lazy ass and doesn't work...then you kick that sonnvabitch out the door...j/k)
Give a man a break, a lot of times I see these 'gamer girlfriends' complain because their boyfriend is spending too much time with the system instead of catering to her..
Your best advice is to at least try to understand the hobby and try out a game or two, the Wii is ideal for this. If you can find some understanding in the hobby that might give you some bonding time with your mate.
It's a give or take thing, you can't try to take away gaming and replace it with yourself because then if your man becomes too clingy to you then what?
@Rachel Fogg: I don't know, I really enjoy talking to chicks I like or care about.
More then playing games. And I'm a hardcore gamer, like HARDCORE. I spent 12 hours playing Tales of Symphonia when it was first released and didn't eat anything and took like a bathroom break or two during the period, and can daily play online FPS and shit for 6 hours straight. I also played Brawl 18 hours straight day one.
But I would much rather just spend time with a chick I care about doing whatever. If I care about her I seem to care about how her day went, how she is feeling, whats bothering her and things. If she's just some girl I think is hot though not now I'm playing Zelda.
Honestly if a guy is spending so much time with his game system and he thinks talking to you is a chore, or he sets aside time for it, maybe you need to get a dude who cares about you more... (This wasn't totally directed at you, of course! Sorry if it seem that way!)
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@Rachel Fogg: What the hell is up with your gamer chicks? We girls are strange just because we want our boyfriend to give us some attention? Wow. Isn't it kind of a bitch move to just accommodate your lifestyle just to make him happy instead of coming to a compromise?
I don't care how hard dude works--you act like these girls don't have jobs. Some of them may work as hard as their guys and yet they're just supposed to let the hard-working man ignore her and have his little gaming time? Give me a break. He can make time for you AND games. How is it the girl's fault when the guy wants to date her and he's a gamer? It's a bunch of bull.
Girls are strange for thinking we need to give a dude excuses. He doesn't have to give up gaming to be with you; he just needs to set aside time to show he gives a damn. Not all girls want to play games. You think guys go out of their way to understand a chick's hobby all the time?
Wow, yeah, we are strange whether or not because if a guy gives us too much attention then we complain if he's clingy...to little and he's annoying us. I highly doubt that a guy not breaking from a game means he doesn't care about you at all.
Ideally you're suppose to talk to your mate and explain how you feel about the gaming, not shout, belittle and rag on him because he's playing ALL the time because when you met him...chances are, that's what he was doing before.
It's like asking a girl to stop stripping because you're in a relationship now, nah, doesn't work that way.
I'm merely stating that this blog from the outset seems to be catering to one half of the dating spectrum. For many of the girls I know that have gaming boyfriends, they do EXACTLY what I just have said. They let their man play to relax and then the two talk and whatever couples do.
Basically, a relationship is sharing each others likes and dislikes...no one comes in perfect. If your man's a gamer and YOU know this coming in don't act surprise when he doesn't drop everything to come to you and your day.
We all have escapes, maybe some girls like something that complete take your mind somewhere else and he doesn't like it...where's the blogs for Twilight boyfriends or such?
It's a two way street. And I stand by my word that girls are strange, as a girl...I should know. Whether you agree with me is entirely up to you.
LOL! There's nothing wrong with that, if you love her then you spend time with her whenever you can. But she has hobbies that she likes to do as well or maybe she likes to relax alone or something.
When you love someone and they love you back then you should ALLOW them to have other interests from you. A relationship isn't a slave/master thing, I don't want a clingy guy nor do I want to him to be absent in my relationship...because really, if I'm not going to get the attention that I think I need, I'll get it somewhere else.
But before it ever gets to that point, we talk to each other...if he chooses the game over me then that's the end of the relationship right there. But I know what my man is like PRIOR to getting in the relationship.
Relationship is a two way street...some people don't understand that, which is sad.
I'm not saying gaming is top overall, I'm just saying discussion is key...if you think your man is gaming too much then talk to him. Don't blog about your struggle, that's valuable energy you could be using for the talk.
It seems like a lot of the complaints are from people who are cohabitating. And really, if you either knew that little about someone before moving in with them, or somehow magically expected their habits to change because you share an address, it's your own damn fault. If someone's an ass the first month of the relationship don't assume you'll change them.
I know a lot of non-gamer girls, and for many it seems like when they bitch about their boyfriends playing video games it's because they wish they would stop completely, not because of how long it takes or how much attention it takes from them. Some people just don't "get" adults who play video games. It's like matchbox cars to them or something, they assume people should put the games away when they grow up.
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Does anyone else passionately HATE the "gamer" label? Its my personal alternative to TV, and sometimes I feel like going around to all of these TV hipsters and calling them TELEVISIONITES.
"Queer as Folk is a TV show prominently geared towards the gay televisionite, but also has something in store for all breeds of televiosionites"- Gaytelevisionite.com
"Brian contributes to the casual televisionite market by watching shows like Family Guy and Gray's Anatomy, what a numbskull."
"Sally is a lady televisionite, GIRLS CAN WATCH TV JUST AS GOOD AS GUYS, AND ENJOY SHOWS LIKE 24 AND SPIKE DESPITE THERE GENDER DIRECTION AND ORIENTATION... DON'T FUCK WITH SALLY."
If you have to FORCIBLY TAKE 30 MINUTES when you get off from work to be with your partner, then i think your relationship is already in trouble >.>' Should be something that comes natural, horrible advice imo.
@SHOWTIME!: This is very true. Relationships are work and time sinks in and of themselves. Having a gaming hobby that take 5-8 hours in the evening, neglecting your partner or your obligations to him/her and the relationship, shows there is a problem already.
@SHOWTIME!: Not really, sometimes these things just happen, and one partner or another might feel neglected. If you're always dropping everything for your girlfriend or boyfriend you'll start to feel resentful that your hobbies and interests don't seem to be important to them.
Forcing yourself into perspective..like scheduling time, can end up to be sort of like a date if you do it right.
I know my cousin married a gamer guy, and I want to kick him every time I see him. WoW instead of paying attention to his two year old son?
@Ajh: Totally agree with you. My wife plays MMOs, but I wouldn't classify her as a "gamer" per se. Over the years we've played some Everquest or WoW or whatever together, but she doesn't really get into many other games.
That being said, I grew up a single child in a house where my parents worked long hours. Gaming became my time-killer, my after-school activity, and my friend. I never went to a local school, so I never had local friends that could easily come over after school.
I love my wife, but I will admit that sometimes I do too much gaming. It's not a question of ONLY gaming and totally ignoring her. There's a balance to be maintained and it's not like there's a universal value that applies to every relationship out there.
So before the rest of you deride those of us who game "too much" for our wives once in a while, take into consideration that living with someone for 2+ years is totally different from a girlfriend you see a couple times a week.
We married folk like our gaming marathons, too. We like to fiend a new game we've been anticipating, and sometimes when we're pissed/depressed/had a bad day, we want to just sink into a game, too.
That doesn't make me an asshole, and it doesn't mean I ignore my wife. It just means once in a while I overdo the gaming a bit.
So, ummm, AJ, what is up with all these posts this week? All having the common theme of gamers in a relationship. Is there something you want to say, but you don't know how to come out with it? Well, just know that we're here for you whenever you need us.
@Altima NEO: I don't think so. I can see why you would think that, but I don't think so.
If it is two girls, countless places around the web have made the same mistake. I've seen this picture on several blogs now, and on several picture storage sites.
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However, she does make some good points about consideration, back and forth, and understanding the other person. I particularly appreciate the comparisons between how the girls spend their time (shopping, spa's and whatnot) vs how the guys spend their time.
Their is not better way to spend/enjoy/waste time on recreational activities. It is only when these activities become the dictator of the rest of the schedule, and the relationship gets neglected because of it, that it should then be a problem.
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During the day (because I don't work), I play video games, mostly on the 360.
When the boy gets home, I get off and give the 360 over to him to play for the evening (while I do things like make dinner).
On weekends:
The boy plays the 360 out front, and I mess around on the computer or go in the back and play PS2.
It works out pretty well for us.
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Come on now people, I don't care how much you like gaming, being in a relationship with someone supersedes your personal interests. If someone is being a dictator in the relationship and tells you what to do all the time, it isn't a gaming problem it is just a problem and if you game all the time and pay no attention to your partner then that's not a gaming problem, that is just a problem. Tolerating excessive demands such as gaming all the time and/or getting bossed around just fosters a bad relationship. If you're both the type who spend hours a day playing WoW, or another community based game, I would say that you're more in a relationship with your guild and less in a relationship with your partner.
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Sure. If you're whipped. No, it's VERY IMPORTANT for both sides of the relationship to have their own activities on top of ones they can share. It's healthy.
You're contributors to a team effort in a relationship; being with each other is not the end-all, be-all goal.
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It is obvious the target audience of the blog in question is not me or most of you.
That doesn't mean you need to bash it, and intentionally misunderstand some of what's said in the article.
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@RuBBa_cHiKiN: You know I actually considered one of these:
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Oh my god, where can I get one of those?!
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Games get old, unless it's one of those good ones.
Ah.. this is the downfall of modern society, the only thing most knucklehead males will achieve by this is finding"360 ways to be lonely".
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As a gamer girl myself, I understand my boyfriend if he's too engrossed playing WoW than spending time with me. I'll let him get on with it because I know there's some games that NEEDS attention, and I play WoW too. Also, he's a games programmer thus always has a long day at work. ;/ I give him massages whilst he plays games.
It's all about love and everything being copacetic. We play games together too when we can like Left4Dead. :) I'm a better gamer than him.
Although, seriously, if you can't handle your boyfriend playing video games then you just shouldn't date him, you whiny little bitches. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS SOMETIMES TO FIND A SAVE POINT.
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If you don't know why they need to be on WoW from 6-10pm on a wednesday though it's probably quite frustrating because they don't understand why their boyfriend is ignoring them.
It's not about whining, simply coming to understand their hobby and making sure those misunderstandings don't get in the way of your relationship.
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I laughed hard. :D
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Haha! I laughed too. It's so true!
Sometimes you left that last save point on the other side of the map a whole hour-of-random-encounters ago.
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Girls are the least understanding, and close-minded things ever. And guys on the other hand sometimes don't care that much to ask about things which is good ("Hey baby, what's up?" "Stomach cramps." "Oh, WHOAH. Ok.")
So my issue are these girls who don't ask their boyfriends themselves, the question 'why?' Or maintain an interest in hearing the answer instead of hating on them and going 'Pfft, whatever.',
it's never about 'the games are more important than me! He doesn't love me!' NEVER. It's like if a girl is painting her nails, and does one nail half painted because her boyfriend interrupted her, she'd be going 'OH GOD PISS-OFF I NEED TO FINISH MY NAIL BEFORE IT DRIES,' see, painting nails sometimes needs concentration. And time. Things need time.
These girls need to relate the things they do to the things their gamer boyfriends do. Instead of being on such a short fuse and not understanding 'why he's shouting like a maniac about killing some 'boss' before it's game over and he needs to start over again.'
Yeah.. I don't think I know what I'm saying anymore. I'm tired.
PS: I'm kinda new to Kotaku membership. I vaguely understand what 'approved' means (made my comment shown) but what about 'promoted?'
Cheers. ANd bless your heart if you didn't go 'tl;dr.'
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If you're dating a gamer boy, then really...you should know what you're up against when you're dating him? That's what I see...
I mean, as a girl that plays games I would like to find a guy that plays games too so we can coop on things or chat about games.
But if you're going out with a guy that likes to play Madden or whatever, then shouldn't you...I don't know...discuss that before starting a relationship? I can tell you this, annoying a fellow during a game is just going to end in him A) Not listening to you or B) Screaming/annoying crap.
If a guy comes home from a long day of work and he wants to play a couple of hours of game, let him relax and then talk about shit later. (If he works all day and comes home, not if he's a lazy ass and doesn't work...then you kick that sonnvabitch out the door...j/k)
Give a man a break, a lot of times I see these 'gamer girlfriends' complain because their boyfriend is spending too much time with the system instead of catering to her..
Your best advice is to at least try to understand the hobby and try out a game or two, the Wii is ideal for this. If you can find some understanding in the hobby that might give you some bonding time with your mate.
It's a give or take thing, you can't try to take away gaming and replace it with yourself because then if your man becomes too clingy to you then what?
I dunno...we girls are strange....
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More then playing games. And I'm a hardcore gamer, like HARDCORE. I spent 12 hours playing Tales of Symphonia when it was first released and didn't eat anything and took like a bathroom break or two during the period, and can daily play online FPS and shit for 6 hours straight. I also played Brawl 18 hours straight day one.
But I would much rather just spend time with a chick I care about doing whatever. If I care about her I seem to care about how her day went, how she is feeling, whats bothering her and things. If she's just some girl I think is hot though not now I'm playing Zelda.
Honestly if a guy is spending so much time with his game system and he thinks talking to you is a chore, or he sets aside time for it, maybe you need to get a dude who cares about you more... (This wasn't totally directed at you, of course! Sorry if it seem that way!)
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I don't care how hard dude works--you act like these girls don't have jobs. Some of them may work as hard as their guys and yet they're just supposed to let the hard-working man ignore her and have his little gaming time? Give me a break. He can make time for you AND games. How is it the girl's fault when the guy wants to date her and he's a gamer? It's a bunch of bull.
Girls are strange for thinking we need to give a dude excuses. He doesn't have to give up gaming to be with you; he just needs to set aside time to show he gives a damn. Not all girls want to play games. You think guys go out of their way to understand a chick's hobby all the time?
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Wow, yeah, we are strange whether or not because if a guy gives us too much attention then we complain if he's clingy...to little and he's annoying us. I highly doubt that a guy not breaking from a game means he doesn't care about you at all.
Ideally you're suppose to talk to your mate and explain how you feel about the gaming, not shout, belittle and rag on him because he's playing ALL the time because when you met him...chances are, that's what he was doing before.
It's like asking a girl to stop stripping because you're in a relationship now, nah, doesn't work that way.
I'm merely stating that this blog from the outset seems to be catering to one half of the dating spectrum. For many of the girls I know that have gaming boyfriends, they do EXACTLY what I just have said. They let their man play to relax and then the two talk and whatever couples do.
Basically, a relationship is sharing each others likes and dislikes...no one comes in perfect. If your man's a gamer and YOU know this coming in don't act surprise when he doesn't drop everything to come to you and your day.
We all have escapes, maybe some girls like something that complete take your mind somewhere else and he doesn't like it...where's the blogs for Twilight boyfriends or such?
It's a two way street. And I stand by my word that girls are strange, as a girl...I should know. Whether you agree with me is entirely up to you.
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LOL! There's nothing wrong with that, if you love her then you spend time with her whenever you can. But she has hobbies that she likes to do as well or maybe she likes to relax alone or something.
When you love someone and they love you back then you should ALLOW them to have other interests from you. A relationship isn't a slave/master thing, I don't want a clingy guy nor do I want to him to be absent in my relationship...because really, if I'm not going to get the attention that I think I need, I'll get it somewhere else.
But before it ever gets to that point, we talk to each other...if he chooses the game over me then that's the end of the relationship right there. But I know what my man is like PRIOR to getting in the relationship.
Relationship is a two way street...some people don't understand that, which is sad.
I'm not saying gaming is top overall, I'm just saying discussion is key...if you think your man is gaming too much then talk to him. Don't blog about your struggle, that's valuable energy you could be using for the talk.
I dunno...
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I know a lot of non-gamer girls, and for many it seems like when they bitch about their boyfriends playing video games it's because they wish they would stop completely, not because of how long it takes or how much attention it takes from them. Some people just don't "get" adults who play video games. It's like matchbox cars to them or something, they assume people should put the games away when they grow up.
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My girlfriend just made this for me.
:D I has gamer girlfriend.
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Right?
Looks nothing like any of the characters from the first series anyway.
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Genshiken? Hell yes!
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"Queer as Folk is a TV show prominently geared towards the gay televisionite, but also has something in store for all breeds of televiosionites"- Gaytelevisionite.com
"Brian contributes to the casual televisionite market by watching shows like Family Guy and Gray's Anatomy, what a numbskull."
"Sally is a lady televisionite, GIRLS CAN WATCH TV JUST AS GOOD AS GUYS, AND ENJOY SHOWS LIKE 24 AND SPIKE DESPITE THERE GENDER DIRECTION AND ORIENTATION... DON'T FUCK WITH SALLY."
Mmmmm... labels.
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Forcing yourself into perspective..like scheduling time, can end up to be sort of like a date if you do it right.
I know my cousin married a gamer guy, and I want to kick him every time I see him. WoW instead of paying attention to his two year old son?
The blog's kind of dumb though. Sorry AJ.
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That being said, I grew up a single child in a house where my parents worked long hours. Gaming became my time-killer, my after-school activity, and my friend. I never went to a local school, so I never had local friends that could easily come over after school.
I love my wife, but I will admit that sometimes I do too much gaming. It's not a question of ONLY gaming and totally ignoring her. There's a balance to be maintained and it's not like there's a universal value that applies to every relationship out there.
So before the rest of you deride those of us who game "too much" for our wives once in a while, take into consideration that living with someone for 2+ years is totally different from a girlfriend you see a couple times a week.
We married folk like our gaming marathons, too. We like to fiend a new game we've been anticipating, and sometimes when we're pissed/depressed/had a bad day, we want to just sink into a game, too.
That doesn't make me an asshole, and it doesn't mean I ignore my wife. It just means once in a while I overdo the gaming a bit.
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Lol ;-D
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Seems like it's been rough, but a bulk of the comments on her posts have been nothing but bash.
Kind of sad.
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@Altima NEO: I don't think so. I can see why you would think that, but I don't think so.
If it is two girls, countless places around the web have made the same mistake. I've seen this picture on several blogs now, and on several picture storage sites.
This is my favorite version of it. [introvertgamer.files.wordpress.com]
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Yeah. Isn't that guy supposed to be the main character of the anime or to a lesser extent the game/visual novel?
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It's either two girls or a man with hormone problems and a girl.
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@jello44: The girl looks like Tama-nee from ToHeart2 to me.
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Anyway its two girls, man.