What's awesome about this broadcast is that this guy not only manages to do the best and most accurate mainstream 'reporting' on video games I have ever seen, but he beats out most online resources as well. He actually does a wonderful job of putting multiple perspectives into a single program in a manner that is understandable to the commoner and the hardcore alike.
huh. I was watching this on iPlayer, and halfway through my mum walks in, stops to watch for 5 minutes, says "this show is sick, why are you watching this? do you play these killing games?" and walks out.
swing and a miss BBC4.
that said, I found it very very funny, as one man's very tounge in cheek take on gaming in general.
It was entertaining, which I'm sure was the goal, so it succeeded. I can't see it convincing anyone who hasn't already been "sold" on games though.
He spends most of the show mocking news reporters and the uninformed for judging games as hyperviolent, but never really makes a meaningful effort to prove them wrong. He glosses over examples like Braid or Portal and instead focuses on games like Manhunt, GTA, and Wolfenstein.
I mean, I get it, it's just supposed to be entertaining, and it is! Just a little disappointing is all. He clearly knows enough about games to make some meaningful arguments, but he opts for the cheap laughs instead...
@QualityJeverage: If he had "hidden" all the "naughty" games(ie. Manhunt), and only show the fun fun happy game(ie. Portal), then he would be doing no different from those news reporters fear-mongering the crowd?
I believe what he was trying to do wasn't to deny that when people play violent games, they do enjoy the game(else why would you buy it), but to send a message to the uninformed that, even a normal person such as himself can enjoy being a psychopath in a game, while being absolute sane, enjoyable and fun in the real world.
Whether that message is conveyed properly to everyone is another question, but I sure do hope some uninformed are now informed.
@NekoCake: I didn't say he should hide the "naughty" ones. But he didn't do much to dispel the myth that all games are like that, despite getting close several times.
I just finished watching this on the BBC Iplayer. I enjoyed it. It was a nice moderate and humourous look at gaming and hopefully, cleared up some misconceptions that people might have had about it.
Why do I get the feeling, that no matter how genuinely funny this show is suppose to be, that it features a lot of 360 related content. Games that are available on the 360.
In other words its a MS funded commercial disguised as a news program.
@Fwiffo: I'll watch it this evening, but I'm still not hearing anything from you or others that say that I'm wrong. That there isn't a focus on games you can get on a 360.
That Watchdog show, hosted by a known pro-360 reporter that tried to present a 5% PS3 fault rate as something monstrously unacceptable,flares my bias nerve.
@Godmars: Well, first of all, you're wrong. He talks about a hell of a lot of different games.. many multi-platform.
Secondly, if it seems that he is favouring the 360 mostly it'll be because he himself has a 360, and plays it quite regularly I think. As far as I know the 360 is his favourite of the current gen consoles.
@Godmars: Fine, he mentioned Natal. Fine, his self-insertion avatar is based heavily on a Microsoft avatar. That's just his personal preference. It's well known that he's not a fan of the Wii, and I'm not entirely sure where he stands with the PS3.
I didn't actually see that much favouritism - in fact, he leveled pretty much as much criticism towards MS as towards anyone else.
@Ted: Except when its a PS3 controller... it changes in different episodes. I believe a relatively wealthy guy like Brooker who has a love for gaming and not corporate money grabbers would own both consoles.
@Godmars: Yeah, I'm sure the BBC's main perogative in making this was to flame the PS3 fanboys. Because the lead programmer in the UK has NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
Don't try and read something into it that doesn't exist!
@Ursus-Veritas: I can't believe we're actually wasting time responding to this. There is no reason for him to be bias. If he chooses to use some game footage of a game he owns (Wolfenstein, a multi-platform title) and happens to possess it on a 360 then so be it.
Of all the fucking places to advertise, BBC4 is not exactly a great one (and the BBC doesn't advertise products). And Charlie Brooker is not exactly your ideal candidate. That's like asking Yahtzee to give you a quote to go on the box for your game.
Not only is there an extended segment on Manhunt (PS2 primarily) and a bunch of PC and 'retro' games but they also talk about Driver, GTA: VC and there's a song about Mad World (which was mostly rubbish).
The OBrien guy brought up one of my biggest GTA gripes...
To paraphrase: "Here I am, with a day off work, and I'm stuck in a car in a commute. Then there is a toll booth, and I have to pay the toll, or else the police come running after me."
Neat show; don't get the show on television here, but I'll be sure to keep up with it on Youtube. It's rare to find a video game related television show that I don't find utterly obnoxious.
Aside from being entertaining to vets it's a good educated crash course for those new to or ignorant of, the medium.
@MiST: Plus in great news, Screenwipe is returning later in the year, and Charlie recently tweeted that he might cover games as a part of Screenwipe, if Gameswipe doesn't get picked up for a full season. I'm really proud for him, I was a fan of his writing when he was reviewing games in something called "print magazines", and all of his TV stuff stands alone as being quite so interesting, entertaining, and well....NEW.
I must admit to not having seen his zombie/reality TV show "Dead Set" yet(Mostly because the ads made it look like Hollyoaks with zombies), but I'll be visiting that soon.
I missed the start of the programme by 10 mins so huzzah for the PS3 and BBC iPlayer lol... its nice having a direct link to iPlayer so I can watch it on TV. Makes that service worth the licence fee alone!
Anywho, back to Gameswipe, I originally thought it was to be a series, so its good to know the prospect is still on the table if the show is successful - reports so far seem good.
I was also a bit struck by the focus on violence in games, while it wasn't trying to defend games - much like Screenwipe doesn't try to defend TV - it did seem a little excessive.
Will be interesting to see where it will go as a series... thumbs up from me!
@Hedgeworth: You must be out of your mind - 39p a day! How is it not worth it? For 4 TV channels, the iPlayer, 8 national radio stations, local radio and a massively comprehensive web site covering just about everything you could think of (well, except porn). Where else could you possibly get that sort of content for that price?
@Tye-The-Czar: Ther is a youtube link above so you don't have to miss out 9(though iplayer has the better quality, and in one single video, unlike the broken up youtube video)
BubbleBuddy also has a video below to give a taster on what this is like in what I guess would be the 'pilot' of Gameswipe
I loved the guest pieces by Dara O'Brien (all he wanted was to play as The Who) and Graham Linehams comments about storylines in games.
I do find the quick glance over the niche titles a bit jarring I guess for us more core gamers, but 50 Cent and GTA are well known, so maybe helps give something for the none gaming audience to grasp onto. Was weird for some of his examples to use older version of the games (e.g use of part of FFVII in RPG section, and old Monkey Island in point n click) as examples instead of more modern affairs.
Still overall it was informative, and funny. And he has tweeted that while Gameswipe is more a one off, he may sneak more game reviews into Screenwipe, though he did suggest contacting the BBC to request more gaming related shows.
For those new to Brooker, this is the man who inspired Yahtzees review style, so if you like ZP, you should like this guy.
@deanbmmv: Well, Monkey Island was one of the iconic games of that genre so I can see why he included it. Same really for FFVII - you ask someone who played it what their favourite RPG was, and they'll most likely get teary eyed and nostalgic about that one. Doesn't stand out nowadays of course, but to many it was the defining game of the genre.
Have to say, I was thinking "EPIC!" when Portal and Braid were mentioned, but just a little more depth into the true mindfuckery they offer would have been nice. Although the snippets they did show spoke volumes.
But yeah, it was a good show, and I'm hoping it eventually develops into a series.
I just got four seasons of screenwipe and all of newswipe this past month. I'm loving Gameswipe so far, but the first episode was kind of down-lowed due to the fact that they constantly had to explain what games were to people who never played them.
Brooker says that the ratings for Gameswipe were well beyond that of the other two series, and that they are planning on getting Yahtzee on at some point, being how they're fans of each other.
@BubbleF**kingBuddy: I'm not at all surprised about the Yahtzee thing. In fact, I was thinking of it happening even before watching it (Had to see it on iPlayer because of watching Jools Holland first) - and the link with The Escapist is there anyway, with Rebecca's song.
Maybe was quite lacklustre compared to Screenwipe, but I'm hungry for more of it.
Alas though, I think Ice-nine is right - from what I've seen, it was just a one-off show. Quite a shame if so, but I think Newswipe is on its way back in anyway.
Also, if you like Screenwipe and Newswipe, take a look around for "You Have Been Watching" - panel show hosted by Charlie for Channel 4 recently, very very funny.
@Ice-nine froze my baby:
From his twitter feed (that lit up as soon as Gameswipe finished);
Q: One-off or series? A: A one-off. Dunno bout a series, wd maybe another one-off if asked. May now cover games in Screenwipe tho.
(yeah, it is mostly a one-off)
also;
Q Why didn't you have Zero Punctuation on the show? A: We tried, but there were contractual / practical hurdles. I like Yahtzee.
Q: How can I tell the BBC I want to see more games programmes? A: I guess [bit.ly] is a reasonable place to start.
Q: Why talk about Wolfenstein / 50 Cent if they're shit? A: They're entertaining. On reflection, wd rather have swapped 1 for sthg else.
As much as I love Mr Brooker, it just didn't suit his style. He had to go from talking happily to his guests, to bad mouthing a show or someone on another show... It just kind of didn't really work...
Plus, a lot of the jokes he used were from his Twitter :(
@Ice-nine froze my baby: Errm... I didn't say he'd be doing a series. I re-enforced that it was a one-off. with a possibility of him doing some games in Screenwipe.
In fact I said nothing, just quoted Brooker.
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God Dammit I love Charlie Brooker!
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Pretty much everything he has ever done for the BBC.
09/30/09
swing and a miss BBC4.
that said, I found it very very funny, as one man's very tounge in cheek take on gaming in general.
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He spends most of the show mocking news reporters and the uninformed for judging games as hyperviolent, but never really makes a meaningful effort to prove them wrong. He glosses over examples like Braid or Portal and instead focuses on games like Manhunt, GTA, and Wolfenstein.
I mean, I get it, it's just supposed to be entertaining, and it is! Just a little disappointing is all. He clearly knows enough about games to make some meaningful arguments, but he opts for the cheap laughs instead...
09/30/09
I believe what he was trying to do wasn't to deny that when people play violent games, they do enjoy the game(else why would you buy it), but to send a message to the uninformed that, even a normal person such as himself can enjoy being a psychopath in a game, while being absolute sane, enjoyable and fun in the real world.
Whether that message is conveyed properly to everyone is another question, but I sure do hope some uninformed are now informed.
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In other words its a MS funded commercial disguised as a news program.
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That Watchdog show, hosted by a known pro-360 reporter that tried to present a 5% PS3 fault rate as something monstrously unacceptable,flares my bias nerve.
09/30/09
Secondly, if it seems that he is favouring the 360 mostly it'll be because he himself has a 360, and plays it quite regularly I think. As far as I know the 360 is his favourite of the current gen consoles.
09/30/09
I didn't actually see that much favouritism - in fact, he leveled pretty much as much criticism towards MS as towards anyone else.
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Don't try and read something into it that doesn't exist!
09/30/09
Of all the fucking places to advertise, BBC4 is not exactly a great one (and the BBC doesn't advertise products). And Charlie Brooker is not exactly your ideal candidate. That's like asking Yahtzee to give you a quote to go on the box for your game.
Not only is there an extended segment on Manhunt (PS2 primarily) and a bunch of PC and 'retro' games but they also talk about Driver, GTA: VC and there's a song about Mad World (which was mostly rubbish).
Happy now?
09/30/09
The OBrien guy brought up one of my biggest GTA gripes...
To paraphrase: "Here I am, with a day off work, and I'm stuck in a car in a commute. Then there is a toll booth, and I have to pay the toll, or else the police come running after me."
About sums it up ;)
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Also, for future reference, it's O' Briain.
09/30/09
Aside from being entertaining to vets it's a good educated crash course for those new to or ignorant of, the medium.
Well done BBC.
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I must admit to not having seen his zombie/reality TV show "Dead Set" yet(Mostly because the ads made it look like Hollyoaks with zombies), but I'll be visiting that soon.
09/30/09
It was probably the best thing I saw on TV in the whole of last year.
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Anywho, back to Gameswipe, I originally thought it was to be a series, so its good to know the prospect is still on the table if the show is successful - reports so far seem good.
I was also a bit struck by the focus on violence in games, while it wasn't trying to defend games - much like Screenwipe doesn't try to defend TV - it did seem a little excessive.
Will be interesting to see where it will go as a series... thumbs up from me!
09/30/09
There is nothing on the BBC or indeed Freeview (no matter how ironically named) that is worth £142 a year.
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And you don't even have to watch adverts.
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"and whats through there? another fucking door!"
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BubbleBuddy also has a video below to give a taster on what this is like in what I guess would be the 'pilot' of Gameswipe
09/30/09
I loved the guest pieces by Dara O'Brien (all he wanted was to play as The Who) and Graham Linehams comments about storylines in games.
I do find the quick glance over the niche titles a bit jarring I guess for us more core gamers, but 50 Cent and GTA are well known, so maybe helps give something for the none gaming audience to grasp onto. Was weird for some of his examples to use older version of the games (e.g use of part of FFVII in RPG section, and old Monkey Island in point n click) as examples instead of more modern affairs.
Still overall it was informative, and funny. And he has tweeted that while Gameswipe is more a one off, he may sneak more game reviews into Screenwipe, though he did suggest contacting the BBC to request more gaming related shows.
For those new to Brooker, this is the man who inspired Yahtzees review style, so if you like ZP, you should like this guy.
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Have to say, I was thinking "EPIC!" when Portal and Braid were mentioned, but just a little more depth into the true mindfuckery they offer would have been nice. Although the snippets they did show spoke volumes.
But yeah, it was a good show, and I'm hoping it eventually develops into a series.
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"Caring about ratings is a terrible illness BUT Gameswipe easily outdid both Screen & News Wipe in terms of 'numbers' last night."
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Brooker says that the ratings for Gameswipe were well beyond that of the other two series, and that they are planning on getting Yahtzee on at some point, being how they're fans of each other.
P.S. It's only the first episode, McWhertor.
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The fact that it's rating trumped that of Screenwipe and Newswipe means that it almost certainly will be getting a series.
09/30/09
He said it was a one off, but MAYBE since the viewing figures were good there MIGHT be more.
Still only a one off.
Plus, he said he couldn't get Yahtzee, but he wanted to. Even if it became a series, he may never appear... :(
09/30/09
Maybe was quite lacklustre compared to Screenwipe, but I'm hungry for more of it.
Alas though, I think Ice-nine is right - from what I've seen, it was just a one-off show. Quite a shame if so, but I think Newswipe is on its way back in anyway.
Also, if you like Screenwipe and Newswipe, take a look around for "You Have Been Watching" - panel show hosted by Charlie for Channel 4 recently, very very funny.
09/30/09
From his twitter feed (that lit up as soon as Gameswipe finished);
Q: One-off or series? A: A one-off. Dunno bout a series, wd maybe another one-off if asked. May now cover games in Screenwipe tho.
(yeah, it is mostly a one-off)
also;
Q Why didn't you have Zero Punctuation on the show? A: We tried, but there were contractual / practical hurdles. I like Yahtzee.
Q: How can I tell the BBC I want to see more games programmes? A: I guess [bit.ly] is a reasonable place to start.
Q: Why talk about Wolfenstein / 50 Cent if they're shit? A: They're entertaining. On reflection, wd rather have swapped 1 for sthg else.
09/30/09
You Have Been Watching I kind of found grating :S
As much as I love Mr Brooker, it just didn't suit his style. He had to go from talking happily to his guests, to bad mouthing a show or someone on another show... It just kind of didn't really work...
Plus, a lot of the jokes he used were from his Twitter :(
09/30/09
I can't help but feel that many people's hopes are getting up for no real reason.
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In fact I said nothing, just quoted Brooker.