I never played Bad Company but always wanted to try it. I've enjoyed the Battlefield series so I'm sure it's great. Scammers are so annoying. #battlefieldbadcompany2
@Akihiko: its fantastic,their game engine was shown off in a great way by the game, and then it was upgraded a hell of alot in 1943, and from videos, the engine is even more advanced in bc2. cant wait #battlefieldbadcompany2
@ToastyUterus: Quite simply the first one was a Joy to play in multiplayer.
Say you wanted to get to Gold Cache A. Gold Cache A is within Building B. The Only Entrance to Building B is being guarded by Team C. Team C are not your friends, and will shoot you on sight. What do you do? Why! You burst open a wall with a rocket or demo pack and make a new door into Building B.
@Vecha: Monday 3pmEST Kotaku Bioware: I don't know, but I haven't heard of this happening with any other game, that's what I meant with my question. #battlefieldbadcompany2
Once again we have console gamers coming in here and clogging up the comments with their ignorance of how PC gaming really works. Guys, if you don't even know what a dedicated server actually is, don't bother commenting here about how you "don't see what the problem is." It doesn't relate to you. #infinityward
@Kenny: Mmmmm, I love colons!: I'd appreciate it if you would edit that into "stupid console gamers" because though I haven't played PC games in years, I know what a dedicated server is and I know how stupid it is that IW is doing this. #infinityward
@-MasterDex-: It will be interesting to see how DICE handle the PC versions of 1943 and Bad Co. 2 since they are designed with consoles in mind. They've stated that they are going to be "true" PC versions, we shall see.
Given how other former PC-centric developers like id, Epic and now IW are consolizing their PC versions, this could be a really big opportunity for DICE to regain market share on the PC. #infinityward
@zardoz555: I don't see any indication that 1943 and BC2 are designed with consoles in mind, they seem to be designed with making a good FPS in mind. The reason for the 1943 delay was also to make it a proper PC game with 64 player support and new maps. BC2 seems to be coming along just as fine.
Also, I see no indication that id is consolizing Rage, it's actually being built primarily as a PC game with the console versions getting the ports.
But yeah, if Dice play their cards right, they could recapture a big share of the PC FPS market. #infinityward
@-MasterDex-: I thought Bad Company was a Console Exclusive. DICE said that the elements in Bad Company were to be ported over to Battlefield 3 #infinityward
@MosesMonster: Bad Company 1 is a console exclusive, BC2 is not. And all they've ever said about BF3 is that it's under production and pretty much nothing else. #infinityward
@-MasterDex-: I actually came up with a theory last year that Dice is testing different gameplay elements on consoles (where sales are high, less risk) before bringing them to Battlefield 3. #infinityward
@-MasterDex-: What I meant by designed with consoles in mind is that these games are missing features that the older PC games have. No commanders, no squad leaders, no commo rose (I don't know this one is missing for sure on the PC since DICE has been so tight lipped about the PC versions). DICE hasn't really added much in the way of big, new features to these games, like Titan Mode in 2142 for example. The map sizes are probably going to be smaller as compared to older PC games that supported up to 64 players in previous PC BF games. (I believe DICE stated they will support up to 32 on PC).
Perhaps the commander/squad leader omissions were simply design choices and not because the games were on consoles, but the limited number of controller buttons and consoles audience being younger skewed that PCs are my guesses as to why these were cut.
As for Rage, Carmack stated in his Quakecon keynote this year that it is being designed with consoles being the lead platform and the PC getting the same design. #infinityward
Making the PC version matchmaking demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the PC-gaming community.
I played Counterstrike starting with beta 1 back in the day. I played Q3, TFC, ET, and a slew of other FPS's. Again and again the common theme was that the communities are centered around servers. You meet friends/competitors on servers and you consistently play on 2-3 servers with a relatively small group of people.
The console gamer side of me accepts matchmaking as it is casual and simple. The PC-gamer side of me wants comprehensive server lists that state maps, what mods it is running, and server size. #infinityward
@Adhominem: Yeah, nothing is wrong with a peer to peer custom games and matchmaking system. Those would be really great additions to an already existing dedicated server system.
The timing behind this tweet is obvious, but I fully expect any and all competitors to take advantage of IW/Activision's mistake. Still, it's nice to see a dev that remembers where they started and states the truth, which is that a dedicated server system is ultimately the best for online play. Matchmaking is a nice convenience, but no replacement.
It feels silly that I was considering moving away from BF games in favor of MW2.. as BF:BC2 looks better and better lately.
Still looking forward to a Battlefield 3 though, with hopefully no regenerative health. #infinityward
@Chalkdust:
yea IW and activision are just self owning themselves, now is the time for other devs to sound off against this or even take shots at them. If this builds enough momentum many companies will be adding the "still has dedicated servers unlike that other game" into their marketing #infinityward
@anduin1: And if we're lucky the backlash coupled with the 1upping from rival devs will make IW/Activision backtrack and add dedicated server support. #infinityward
I am a fan of Dedicated servers. I used to watch Cheers as a kid. I like a place where...everybody...knows your name. Like playing with the same group of people and make rivalries/friendships. Would be cool if it were optional. They are not pushing PC Gaming to a new level by only limiting COD MW 2 to Matchmaking. It should be optional to a "Instant Battle" feature like BF2 has. #infinityward
Well, I hope that IW reconsider this dedicated server issue... As a pc gamer, I'll not buy a game that I cannot host a lan on. You know, here in Uruguay internet connection sucks and we usually do Lan's to play with other people.
I'm not buying either game due to total lack of interest in the genre, but it's always good to see developers who actually care about what their customers think.
This generation has seen too many publishers taking the "YOU WILL ACCEPT WHAT WE GIVE YOU AND LIKE IT, KNAVES!" route of telling their consumers what they're supposed to like, and Activision is leading the vanguard of that charge toward the Cliffs of Mediocrity. Hopefully they just keep on marching until they walk right off the edge, and they take Kotick with them. #infinityward
@Archaotic: "This generation has seen too many publishers taking the "YOU WILL ACCEPT WHAT WE GIVE YOU AND LIKE IT, KNAVES!" route of telling their consumers what they're supposed to like, and Activision is leading the vanguard of that charge toward the Cliffs of Mediocrity."
If Activision were to "GIVE" me anything, I'd accept it and, probably, like it. As it is they sell stuff, so if I don't like it, I'm not gonna buy it. It's not REALLY a big deal. #infinityward
@BlueToast: It is a big deal though. All games turn to shit then with the "well I just won't buy it" mentality we're gonna be left with no games to play. #infinityward
@BlueToast: Yeah... It's people settling for less that are the problem.
A game got insanely popular, they can make the second one a piece of turd and it will still sell. Just don't expect to sell anymore after that. :/
Dedicated servers are a huge bonus on the PC. Taking them out just ... reeks of dumbing down the game to console levels.
Yes I am a staunch M/KB PC gamer. I own a PS3 now so I have a bit more knowledge to the capabilities of next-gen systems. Their great for a lot of stuff. Custom content is nowhere near PC levels though.
Really Activision... At least make it optional :/
ESPECIALLY if you expect me to pay more than 50 dollars for a PC game. #infinityward
@deanbmmv: I personally don't torrent music, but I don't agree that people who do are "killing the industry". I think they're weeding out the artists, from the businessmen.
We might have less games being published, but I'm pretty sure the ones that would be, would be great. #infinityward
@deanbmmv: I was just trying to get you to understand my mentality on the "All games turn to shit then with the "well I just won't buy it" mentality we're gonna be left with no games to play." argument.
I'm of the opinion that it would just stop people in it for the cash, and not the people in it for the games. #infinityward
First DICE ditches the pc audience competely with Bad Company. Then they announce a remake of 1942, the game that made a name for them, only to exclude all the features that made people love the original. Then, to top it all off, they don't even bother to release said remake to the pc audience in a reasonable timeframe.
So, given this, you'll have to forgive me for not buying into the whole "DICE totally cares about PC gamers" attitude as portrayed so astutely by a post on twitter.
They didn't ditch their PC audience, they did ONE console-specific release while they worked on BF:Heroes and supported BF2 and BF2142 - I'd hardly consider that "ditching their PC audiencce", all of their post-BF:BC releases have had PC counterparts and BF:BC2 is getting a PC release.
Your bitterness is unfounded, they do care about their PC audience, otherwise they WOULDN'T be doing anything on PC right now. #infinityward
@2c-b:
1. frequent patches w/ new content for bf2 and 2142, with the most recent patch making formerly retail booster packs FREE. i'd say that's a LOT more support than most pc games are getting today.
2. releasing a whole new free to play battlefield game for the pc only. of course, you either like it or you hate it, but it's something either way.
3. the frostbite engine is a serious piece of tech, and tho i havn't played bc1, most ppl who've i've talked to who played it on 360, even tho they are usually pc battlefield players, say it was good as a proof of concept, so lacking in some areas, but they are super psyched to get bc2 for pc, which looks like a super polished and improved bc1. and iirc, dice is having trouble getting 64 player servers while preserving the whole frostbite experience, which looks fucking awesome. i'd rather wait for that than only get 32 players max right now, with both 1943 and bc2.
@2c-b: it's not exactly like they've done such a great job on the console versions of Bad Company and BF:1943 either. Just look at the breaking up of squads, inabilities to even join friends, and all the bugs including the busted voice chat in the PS3 version. #infinityward
@LoLAdrian ...And Then Comes Lividity: Probably because Bad Company wasn't released for PC and the PC version of 1943 has not been released yet.
So PC gamers have not seen a new Battlefield game in 3 years, while multiple new Battlefield games have been released on console. To be honest if future Battlefield PC games are going to be as buggy and broken as BF2/BF2042, it is probably a good thing there has not been a new PC Battlefield game. #infinityward
PC Gamers HAVE on the other hand seen the best versions of Mirrors Edge and they'll get the best version of BF1943 along with the best version of Bad Company 2... So the argument that "DICE HAS ABANDONED PC GAMERS! OHNOEZ!!111" is moot. #infinityward
@2c-b: I think they care, or else we wouldn't have gotten that new BF2 patch, but they're certainly slow as molasses. Not the most technically proficient developers out there, so I wholly expect them to take forever figuring out how to get that Frost engine to work on PCs.
But yeah, who cares about Bad Company or 1943? Where's my Battlefield 3 ]:<
@2c-b: 1943 is delayed so they can make a proper PC version not just a straight up 5 minute port, possibly to add the same destruction system present in BC2 rather than the BC1 system it has on consoles.
Bad Company was an experiment to see how the console market would react to a BF game with A) a campaign and B) a more arcadey BF experience.
Bad Company 2 and 1943 are both getting PC releases. #infinityward
@Mit: 1.5 patch is also on the way for 2142, with a new map too. I think they care but they were pointed in a different direction by the powers that be. #infinityward
@Indy_aka_Rex: After reading the many replies here, it seems that I was indeed being too harsh on DICE. I just feel somewhat neglected by them - I loved BF1942 /BF2 but I haven't enjoyed any of the newer BF titles they've put out.
As many have said, "slow" is a much more accurate description than "they don't care".
I suppose the overly harsh nature of my original comment was mainly to draw a contrast between the twitter comment (portraying them as highly committed to the PC audience) and the console focus they've had with recent titles BC and 1943. At the very least, it seemed somewhat ironic to me. #infinityward
11/01/09
I never played Bad Company but always wanted to try it. I've enjoyed the Battlefield series so I'm sure it's great. Scammers are so annoying. #battlefieldbadcompany2
11/01/09
11/02/09
Say you wanted to get to Gold Cache A. Gold Cache A is within Building B. The Only Entrance to Building B is being guarded by Team C. Team C are not your friends, and will shoot you on sight. What do you do? Why! You burst open a wall with a rocket or demo pack and make a new door into Building B.
Or use a tank. #battlefieldbadcompany2
11/01/09
11/01/09
Are there many fans in the series?
I know I enjoyed the game...
sure not as popular as other BF games or COD 4/MW1/2... #battlefieldbadcompany2
11/01/09
11/01/09
I've heard of it with a few games...
last time I think it was with Killzone 2?
Not sure...
I'm sure it happens quite a bit...probably people just ignore it. #battlefieldbadcompany2
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in the sun for 12 hours,
in the middle of the summer
with the lid half open,
in the Sahara,
you never know what in them but it sure as hell will not have any resemblance to what you wanted in the first place. #infinityward
10/18/09
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10/18/09
You should NEVER side with Activision. I'm pretty sure it causes sterility. #infinityward
10/18/09
Also, the trailer for Battlefield Bad Co 2 looks awesome... #infinityward
10/20/09
10/18/09
Thank you Dice, you may have ignored us last time around but at least you have the sense to see dedicated servers are a must for PC gaming.
10/18/09
Given how other former PC-centric developers like id, Epic and now IW are consolizing their PC versions, this could be a really big opportunity for DICE to regain market share on the PC. #infinityward
10/18/09
Also, I see no indication that id is consolizing Rage, it's actually being built primarily as a PC game with the console versions getting the ports.
But yeah, if Dice play their cards right, they could recapture a big share of the PC FPS market. #infinityward
10/18/09
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10/18/09
Perhaps the commander/squad leader omissions were simply design choices and not because the games were on consoles, but the limited number of controller buttons and consoles audience being younger skewed that PCs are my guesses as to why these were cut.
As for Rage, Carmack stated in his Quakecon keynote this year that it is being designed with consoles being the lead platform and the PC getting the same design. #infinityward
10/18/09
I played Counterstrike starting with beta 1 back in the day. I played Q3, TFC, ET, and a slew of other FPS's. Again and again the common theme was that the communities are centered around servers. You meet friends/competitors on servers and you consistently play on 2-3 servers with a relatively small group of people.
The console gamer side of me accepts matchmaking as it is casual and simple. The PC-gamer side of me wants comprehensive server lists that state maps, what mods it is running, and server size. #infinityward
10/18/09
10/18/09
10/18/09
It feels silly that I was considering moving away from BF games in favor of MW2.. as BF:BC2 looks better and better lately.
Still looking forward to a Battlefield 3 though, with hopefully no regenerative health. #infinityward
10/18/09
yea IW and activision are just self owning themselves, now is the time for other devs to sound off against this or even take shots at them. If this builds enough momentum many companies will be adding the "still has dedicated servers unlike that other game" into their marketing #infinityward
10/18/09
10/18/09
10/18/09
Also... [www.petitiononline.com]
23878 Total Signatures
But well, I dont think IW will care anyways.. #infinityward
10/18/09
This generation has seen too many publishers taking the "YOU WILL ACCEPT WHAT WE GIVE YOU AND LIKE IT, KNAVES!" route of telling their consumers what they're supposed to like, and Activision is leading the vanguard of that charge toward the Cliffs of Mediocrity. Hopefully they just keep on marching until they walk right off the edge, and they take Kotick with them. #infinityward
10/18/09
If Activision were to "GIVE" me anything, I'd accept it and, probably, like it. As it is they sell stuff, so if I don't like it, I'm not gonna buy it. It's not REALLY a big deal. #infinityward
10/18/09
10/18/09
A game got insanely popular, they can make the second one a piece of turd and it will still sell. Just don't expect to sell anymore after that. :/
Dedicated servers are a huge bonus on the PC. Taking them out just ... reeks of dumbing down the game to console levels.
Yes I am a staunch M/KB PC gamer. I own a PS3 now so I have a bit more knowledge to the capabilities of next-gen systems. Their great for a lot of stuff. Custom content is nowhere near PC levels though.
Really Activision... At least make it optional :/
ESPECIALLY if you expect me to pay more than 50 dollars for a PC game. #infinityward
10/18/09
I wouldnt call dedicated servers a bonus, I'd say its more or less expected to be there and when it isn't, the game can expect to fail on the PC #infinityward
10/18/09
We might have less games being published, but I'm pretty sure the ones that would be, would be great. #infinityward
10/18/09
10/18/09
I'm of the opinion that it would just stop people in it for the cash, and not the people in it for the games. #infinityward
10/18/09
So, given this, you'll have to forgive me for not buying into the whole "DICE totally cares about PC gamers" attitude as portrayed so astutely by a post on twitter.
10/18/09
10/18/09
They didn't ditch their PC audience, they did ONE console-specific release while they worked on BF:Heroes and supported BF2 and BF2142 - I'd hardly consider that "ditching their PC audiencce", all of their post-BF:BC releases have had PC counterparts and BF:BC2 is getting a PC release.
Your bitterness is unfounded, they do care about their PC audience, otherwise they WOULDN'T be doing anything on PC right now. #infinityward
10/18/09
1. frequent patches w/ new content for bf2 and 2142, with the most recent patch making formerly retail booster packs FREE. i'd say that's a LOT more support than most pc games are getting today.
2. releasing a whole new free to play battlefield game for the pc only. of course, you either like it or you hate it, but it's something either way.
3. the frostbite engine is a serious piece of tech, and tho i havn't played bc1, most ppl who've i've talked to who played it on 360, even tho they are usually pc battlefield players, say it was good as a proof of concept, so lacking in some areas, but they are super psyched to get bc2 for pc, which looks like a super polished and improved bc1. and iirc, dice is having trouble getting 64 player servers while preserving the whole frostbite experience, which looks fucking awesome. i'd rather wait for that than only get 32 players max right now, with both 1943 and bc2.
4. battlefield 3 is in the works.
just be patient.
10/18/09
10/18/09
So PC gamers have not seen a new Battlefield game in 3 years, while multiple new Battlefield games have been released on console. To be honest if future Battlefield PC games are going to be as buggy and broken as BF2/BF2042, it is probably a good thing there has not been a new PC Battlefield game. #infinityward
10/18/09
BF:Heroes came out this year.
PC Gamers HAVE on the other hand seen the best versions of Mirrors Edge and they'll get the best version of BF1943 along with the best version of Bad Company 2... So the argument that "DICE HAS ABANDONED PC GAMERS! OHNOEZ!!111" is moot. #infinityward
10/18/09
10/18/09
But yeah, who cares about Bad Company or 1943? Where's my Battlefield 3 ]:<
Atleast they said they're making it.
10/18/09
Bad Company was an experiment to see how the console market would react to a BF game with A) a campaign and B) a more arcadey BF experience.
Bad Company 2 and 1943 are both getting PC releases. #infinityward
10/18/09
10/19/09
As many have said, "slow" is a much more accurate description than "they don't care".
I suppose the overly harsh nature of my original comment was mainly to draw a contrast between the twitter comment (portraying them as highly committed to the PC audience) and the console focus they've had with recent titles BC and 1943. At the very least, it seemed somewhat ironic to me. #infinityward
10/18/09
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[www.infinityward.justgotowned.com]
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Thanks for that, but yeah i really should've checked it before posting. #infinityward
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