The best thing is that it plays like a traditional Shin Megami Tensei title, too! I still need to pick up Devil Survivor. I'll get around to it once I finish getting the achievements in Last Remnant. :( #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: I don't know why you'd bother getting every achievement in Last Remnant. It's like a 700 hour sink hole and the only payoff is a boss fight that can just randomly kill you when it feels like it.
@Ueziel: See, that's EXACTLY why I want it. Also, I've been stat grinding. It's not fun, but at least I'm at the point where I can do 500K damage per round, which makes boss fights auto-pilot. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
God, that box art is terrible. They really should've at least come up with a logo that looks a bit less...badly photoshopped.
No opinion whatsoever on the actual game though (it's a DS RPG, so I'm just going to shut up), just think the box art is really ugly. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
Archaotic has made very valid arguments against the glut of JRPGs on the DS in the past. Personally I wouldn't take anything he's said as flamebait and nothing he said was argumentative. Maybe you need to chill out? #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
@Thorax: Again, the problem is just that it feels like a bad photoshop. There's no blending or effects to it, it just looks like someone hastily posted it in front of the image. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
@Rebochan: Alright you're the one that sounds like you're looking for an argument now. Many people are fucking irked that there are so many RPGs on the DS and so few on next-gen consoles. I could elaborate, but I won't because, like Archaotic, I am sick of this argument that has been done to death.
You don't have to be a fanboy to be against something on a certain console. I love my DS, I play it all the time. I am sick of seeing some of my favorite devs dump so much of their time and resources into making portable RPGs with weak stories and shitty graphics instead of throwing the fans a god damn bone and giving us the epic experiences we've grown accustomed to playing on more powerful hardware on a TV.
Damn, I just elaborated way more than intended to =P
@bkchurch: Sounds to me like the complaint is about bad games on the DS. And the graphics complaints are just typical for this gen's so-called "core" gamers.
I'd love more console games, but right now, nobody's buying them. This is a business, not a charity. Maybe if FFXIII sells really well, there might be some interest in more console JRPGs. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
I don't understand this. You claim others are looking to start an argument when they're trying to avoid one. Then you poke and prod and act annoying and start one yourself. When the other party explains their opinions you explain why they're not valid complaints.
No shit this industry isn't a charity. That doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by the lack of great titles in my favorite genre. The people of my state repealed the gay marriage law, that was passed last year, yesterday. I can't do shit about it right now but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to be upset about it.
The complaint is not about bad games. I just don't like DS RPGs. RPGs have always been epic experiences for me that draw me into their world with cutting edge graphics, moving soundtracks, and believable worlds and characters. That is rarely delivered on the DS. Even when it is it isn't delivered in the same capacity that it could be on a home console.
It's like this: watching something like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings in a movie theater is an experience. Watching the same movie on my PSP's 4.3" screen with a set of low-end earbuds is a time killer. Playing the newest Final Fantasy, that took years of hard work and love to make, on my TV with surround sound is an experience. Playing a port of FFIV remade in terrible 3D graphics on my DS's 2.5" screen with it's shitty stereo speakers is not going to come close to matching that experience.
Last generation awesome RPGs were in overabundance on the PS2. It was an all you can eat buffet of fantastic games with pretty graphics, awesome soundtracks, well-told stories, and worlds that I wanted to wrap myself up in and no matter how hard you tried you could never get your fill. This generation we're still waiting for FFXIII and in the meantime the only worthwhile JRPG we've seen was Lost Odyssey.
I don't care if the DS is popular and makes companies boatloads of money. An RPG on the DS can never go toe to toe with an RPG on a home console. I'm not being a fanboy, I'm not being elitist. I just have high standards. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
@bkchurch: No, claiming that an RPG cannot deliver a good experience unless it is on a console with cutting edge graphics is the definition of elitist. FFIV's graphics at the time of release were rather low quality compared to what other console games were churning out. It wasn't really until the late 90s when Square got ahead on FMV cinematics that people started to *expect* good graphics and sweeping epics - and FF7 was still pretty far behind the graphical curve (it wasn't until VIII that the graphics were completely cutting edge).
RPGs are not limited to just pretty graphics. Refusing to play any game because it's not on a console is the definition of elitism and is extremely typical of the "core" right now.
To further your analogy, it would be like complaining that Firefly is terrible compared to Star Wars because the former is on television and not a film (and ignore Serenity for a second, okay?). Or that Doctor Horrible is incapable of telling a moving story about superheroes because it's distributed on the internet and cannot be "epic" like Spider-Man 3.
And my original point was that if anyone here didn't want to start an argument, you don't do it by saying "DS RPGs are terrible. But don't argue with me!" I mean, if I marched into another thread here and said "Sucky like all PS3 games, but I don't feel ike arguing," would I be anything *but* a troll? It's just being passive aggressive, while trying to divest oneself of responsibility.
@Rebochan: Nobody said anything about DS RPGs being terrible. Archaotic merely referenced his past comments on the subject in a passing and joking manner. You then got all up in his face about it (metaphorically speaking).
Again for someone claiming others are trying to be argumentative I find it ironic that you're the only one that actually is being argumentative. I have stated my opinion and backed it up, that is all. You're trying to tell me my opinion is either invalid or flawed, thus arguing.
This is fruitless and it's a conversation that's been beaten to death in the past and never gets anywhere. So with that I'm leaving this conversation. Good day sir.
Addendum: Just for the record I've enjoyed numerous DS RPGs (keyword: ENJOYED). That doesn't change the fact that none of them were very engrossing or high quality experiences.
Can someone please explain the World Tendency to me? I just don't get how to do it. I've been going for pure white WT, defeated bosses, etc. but nothing seems to change. It's bollocks. #demon
@Alistar: In the import version, world tendency started at zero; this gave you the default image you get when you check it from the menu. There are things at adjust it up and down, from -7 to 7, I think. The values have been changed in patches since the start, and I don't know what they are in the US version, but here's what had any effect last I played the import.
Negative:
Dying in body form
Killing a living NPC in a world (Ostrava, Old King Doran, Miralda, Skirvir, Patches etc.)
Blue phantoms dying in your game
Killing people as a black phantom
Positive:
Killing a boss in soul form (don't recall if this included dragons, the grey guy in 4-1, etc.)
Killing a boss in body form (larger boost than in soul form)
Killing a unique NPC black phantom (available on pure black tendency only, usually)
Killing an invading player
Blue phantoms surviving a boss fight and resurrecting out of your game
Killing a primeval demon (as with unique BPs, only available on pure black tendency)
On pure black tendency, you have less HP, enemies do more damage and have more HP, and there are extra black phantoms in levels (these do not affect world tendency when slain; only the ones that are NPCs at normal/white tendency do that; they're just extra hard enemies). Enemy drops are much better, souls per kill increase, all non-merchant NPCs in a level become hostile black phantoms (sometimes with great drops), a primeval demon spawns in a set location on each level, and some level layouts change.
On pure white tendency, enemy strength, your HP, enemy drops and souls per kill are the opposite of pure black tendency. Some hazards are gone from levels (the dragons in world 1), many level layouts change and NPCs are reachable (Sasuke comes down off the wall, Skirvir appears in a cave, the route to the key to free Rydell opens in 3-2, etc).
There's a lot of unique items and dialogs for each, that's not a complete list of the changes to levels/characters at all. And it doesn't cover character tendency, which is affected by many of the same things, and which opens up a sub-quest (with other conditions) as well. #demon
@Alistar: Probably what's happened is that you've beaten a boss, got your body back, then died in one of the worlds. Beating the boss is +30%, dying in body form is -30%.
A cool trick if you're decently levelled is to just die a bunch in body form (using Stone of Emphereal Eyes, suciding, returning to the Nexus to register the change, repeat). 3-7 deaths should do the trick, depending on how white the zone is.
After that, find the named Black Phantom, beat them then WITHOUT LEAVING find the Primeval Demon and kill that as well. This'll tkae you from Pure black to pure white, and allow you to get all the sweet junk.
...I accidentally got pure black in 4-1 by dying to the stupid tutorial demon too many times, so I had to fight BP Master Satsuki at a way too low level. In the end I had to go off and upgrade a spear to do decent damage because he kept instagibbing me whenever I dropped my shield. Poked him to death doing something miserable like 22 damage a hit, and he got two heals off.
It took me something like 2-3 hours including all the failed attempts before to beat him, and then I died a few more times to the boss before giving up and loosing a few arrows at the bird on it's head. Was very satisfying to see them fall though, and the Meat Cleaver was worth the effort. #demon
@Ladi: Thanks for the tip. During the Halloween event, I was able to get my WT pure black by constantly re-loading my game. I fought most of the unique Black Phantoms and defeated most of them. When I started again yesterday, my character tendency was all white, and I think my worlds are all white too (looking at the top right hand marker in game), but I cannot get the Pure White occurrences to happen. Any thoughts?
Also, do you know how to get a Moon Wing Spear? I have a Wing Spear +8 but the upgrade to get the "Moon" doesn't appear. Do I have to keep upgrading till I hit +10? I have most of the minerals for all the upgrades that I found on the forums and sites... Same applies for my Bow (currently at Quality +3 but want a Viscous...)
@Alistar: Ack, if you've got a +8 Spear then you'll not be able to change it to a Moon Spear, as the cutoff point for that change was +6 of the sharpstone branch. I say keep going til +10, at least you'll get a trophy for your efforts. Same again with the bow, you need to make the switch at the +3 hardstone upgrade. Only Blacksmith Ed in Stonefang can do the special enchants, the dude at the Nexus can only do Hardstone, sharpstone and quality (clearstone).
If your world isn't allowing for any pure white events then you might need to beat a boss or two more in that area, there's degrees of white.
I get what you mean about it being your life and your bane; I haven't managed to clock more than 20 hours on a character before making a new one with my new knowledge... #demon
@karaiya: Me too. I played Uncharted 2 (and don't get me wrong, loved the shit out of it)....but...the allure of all other games has...
...started to dwindle...
I must return to the Nexus.
Oh, and as far as this goes, this sounds like Pure Black World Tendencies for everyone on Halloween! I'm guessing we'll see Pure White World Tendencies for Christmast.
I tore myself away from a marathon session of Demon's Souls just minutes ago. It's so hard to put that controller down sometimes...
"One more weapon upgrade... Oh, I'll just bring 2-2 WT to PB, defeat BP Scirvir and then I'm done for the night...
"Oh well, now that I have the Talisman of Beasts, might as well level up my stats in order to equip it.
"Hm, I could take on the Maneater(s)... Would be easier with Firestorm - which means I should free Yuria - which I can't do until I free Biorr - which I can't do until I defeat an Archdemon - oh! hey! since Biorr's here, let's tag-team the 1-3 Major Demon!"
And so on.
All fucking night.
I think I'm sick... #demon
@Bondage_Zombie: And what's up with her New Jersey Italian-American accent? "Touch the demon inside me." Naughty girl...
@i_pooped_on_: I've never seen the WT pure black over all the worlds - can't wait! I still have a few Black Phantoms to kill, the Halloween event couldn't come at a better time (it'll save me a truckload of Stones of Ephemeral Eye). #demon
Aram Jabbari is the man, he seems pretty down to earth and from the interviews I've watched on him, seems to genuinely love the work he does and the games he promotes. #demon
I'M ON IT!!!! I most definitely have controller-into-LCD syndrome, though. This game even gave me the ever-rare "attempt to crush controller with bare hands" syndrome. lol #demon
@kobeashi: Keep a pillow handy bro. You can mash that controller into the pillow as hard as you want and you won't be in your local gamestop purchasing another one. Doesn't Demon's Souls cost enough money, blood, sweat and tears already? #demon
@kobeashi: lol I used to do the "attempt to crush the controller with bare hands" move in CoD4's online until I heard a screw's anchor point snap and realized that I would be more upset if I actually went so far as to break the controller. #demon
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@D-K, a burning sensation: Yes it's hard which I've heard aplenty. Does it have any exploration like Zelda, GTA, Oblivion and etc? Is it just a straightforward dungeon game? #demon
@Snappywave: Subtitle option for the Deaf please: Hard and "designed to kick your ass" are two entirely different things. Level design, enemy placement, it's all designed especially to make advancement slow.
The game's vulnerability coupled with dark surroundings leave you with a sense of impending doom. Very atmospheric. Linear, so i'd compare it more with Ninja Gaiden then Oblivion. #demon
@Outkastprince: lol yeah my mother is Dominican and we do live in NY, but my mother is no match for my angry girlfriend.
Heck not even the combine power of god,cthulhu,Eternity and the Living Tribunal wouldn't mess with her right now....so you better start praying a little harder ^_^
@Faulpyr: Get a bunch of stones of ephemeral eyes. Go offline. Revive in 1, suicide in nexus, revive in 1, suicide in nexus, revive in 1, suicide in nexus...
@Koztah: Hm... according to the wiki "The patch of March 23, 2009 changed how events shift world tendency". So, unless you've been using that technique on the US version, they might've just "fixed" that. #demon
@Koztah: Suiciding like that will REDUCE your tendency. To Pure Black if you do it. Then, when you're Pure Black, you kill the black phantom and primeval demon in one go, and when you return to Nexus you'll be pure white.
Regardless, Miralda is there in white and black, she just drops different loot. Binded armor in White, and Guillotine Axe in Black. And yes, you can kill her once in each tendency :) #demon
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DELETE DELETE DELETE
I mean... Empty Trash! Empty Trash! #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Now you can never unsee it. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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(Maybe it's time for a vision check.) #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Sold (^o^)/ #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Or you just use Battle Crown formation and kill everything in two rounds. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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No opinion whatsoever on the actual game though (it's a DS RPG, so I'm just going to shut up), just think the box art is really ugly. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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@Archaotic: I blame it on that helmet. It looks like it was built out of the scraps off an old muscle car. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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The logo just looks VERY lazily done. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
11/05/09
If you really don't want to argue with people, don't drop obvious flamebait. Just skip the thread and move on. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Archaotic has made very valid arguments against the glut of JRPGs on the DS in the past. Personally I wouldn't take anything he's said as flamebait and nothing he said was argumentative. Maybe you need to chill out? #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Without fanboying, of course. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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And as a sci fi junkie, I love this cover so much I want to take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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Which is, quite frankly, awesome. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
11/05/09
You don't have to be a fanboy to be against something on a certain console. I love my DS, I play it all the time. I am sick of seeing some of my favorite devs dump so much of their time and resources into making portable RPGs with weak stories and shitty graphics instead of throwing the fans a god damn bone and giving us the epic experiences we've grown accustomed to playing on more powerful hardware on a TV.
Damn, I just elaborated way more than intended to =P
11/05/09
I'd love more console games, but right now, nobody's buying them. This is a business, not a charity. Maybe if FFXIII sells really well, there might be some interest in more console JRPGs. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
11/05/09
I don't understand this. You claim others are looking to start an argument when they're trying to avoid one. Then you poke and prod and act annoying and start one yourself. When the other party explains their opinions you explain why they're not valid complaints.
No shit this industry isn't a charity. That doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by the lack of great titles in my favorite genre. The people of my state repealed the gay marriage law, that was passed last year, yesterday. I can't do shit about it right now but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to be upset about it.
The complaint is not about bad games. I just don't like DS RPGs. RPGs have always been epic experiences for me that draw me into their world with cutting edge graphics, moving soundtracks, and believable worlds and characters. That is rarely delivered on the DS. Even when it is it isn't delivered in the same capacity that it could be on a home console.
It's like this: watching something like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings in a movie theater is an experience. Watching the same movie on my PSP's 4.3" screen with a set of low-end earbuds is a time killer. Playing the newest Final Fantasy, that took years of hard work and love to make, on my TV with surround sound is an experience. Playing a port of FFIV remade in terrible 3D graphics on my DS's 2.5" screen with it's shitty stereo speakers is not going to come close to matching that experience.
Last generation awesome RPGs were in overabundance on the PS2. It was an all you can eat buffet of fantastic games with pretty graphics, awesome soundtracks, well-told stories, and worlds that I wanted to wrap myself up in and no matter how hard you tried you could never get your fill. This generation we're still waiting for FFXIII and in the meantime the only worthwhile JRPG we've seen was Lost Odyssey.
I don't care if the DS is popular and makes companies boatloads of money. An RPG on the DS can never go toe to toe with an RPG on a home console. I'm not being a fanboy, I'm not being elitist. I just have high standards. #shinmegamitenseistrangejourney
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RPGs are not limited to just pretty graphics. Refusing to play any game because it's not on a console is the definition of elitism and is extremely typical of the "core" right now.
To further your analogy, it would be like complaining that Firefly is terrible compared to Star Wars because the former is on television and not a film (and ignore Serenity for a second, okay?). Or that Doctor Horrible is incapable of telling a moving story about superheroes because it's distributed on the internet and cannot be "epic" like Spider-Man 3.
And my original point was that if anyone here didn't want to start an argument, you don't do it by saying "DS RPGs are terrible. But don't argue with me!" I mean, if I marched into another thread here and said "Sucky like all PS3 games, but I don't feel ike arguing," would I be anything *but* a troll? It's just being passive aggressive, while trying to divest oneself of responsibility.
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Again for someone claiming others are trying to be argumentative I find it ironic that you're the only one that actually is being argumentative. I have stated my opinion and backed it up, that is all. You're trying to tell me my opinion is either invalid or flawed, thus arguing.
This is fruitless and it's a conversation that's been beaten to death in the past and never gets anywhere. So with that I'm leaving this conversation. Good day sir.
Addendum: Just for the record I've enjoyed numerous DS RPGs (keyword: ENJOYED). That doesn't change the fact that none of them were very engrossing or high quality experiences.
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Negative:
Dying in body form
Killing a living NPC in a world (Ostrava, Old King Doran, Miralda, Skirvir, Patches etc.)
Blue phantoms dying in your game
Killing people as a black phantom
Positive:
Killing a boss in soul form (don't recall if this included dragons, the grey guy in 4-1, etc.)
Killing a boss in body form (larger boost than in soul form)
Killing a unique NPC black phantom (available on pure black tendency only, usually)
Killing an invading player
Blue phantoms surviving a boss fight and resurrecting out of your game
Killing a primeval demon (as with unique BPs, only available on pure black tendency)
On pure black tendency, you have less HP, enemies do more damage and have more HP, and there are extra black phantoms in levels (these do not affect world tendency when slain; only the ones that are NPCs at normal/white tendency do that; they're just extra hard enemies). Enemy drops are much better, souls per kill increase, all non-merchant NPCs in a level become hostile black phantoms (sometimes with great drops), a primeval demon spawns in a set location on each level, and some level layouts change.
On pure white tendency, enemy strength, your HP, enemy drops and souls per kill are the opposite of pure black tendency. Some hazards are gone from levels (the dragons in world 1), many level layouts change and NPCs are reachable (Sasuke comes down off the wall, Skirvir appears in a cave, the route to the key to free Rydell opens in 3-2, etc).
There's a lot of unique items and dialogs for each, that's not a complete list of the changes to levels/characters at all. And it doesn't cover character tendency, which is affected by many of the same things, and which opens up a sub-quest (with other conditions) as well. #demon
10/31/09
A cool trick if you're decently levelled is to just die a bunch in body form (using Stone of Emphereal Eyes, suciding, returning to the Nexus to register the change, repeat). 3-7 deaths should do the trick, depending on how white the zone is.
After that, find the named Black Phantom, beat them then WITHOUT LEAVING find the Primeval Demon and kill that as well. This'll tkae you from Pure black to pure white, and allow you to get all the sweet junk.
...I accidentally got pure black in 4-1 by dying to the stupid tutorial demon too many times, so I had to fight BP Master Satsuki at a way too low level. In the end I had to go off and upgrade a spear to do decent damage because he kept instagibbing me whenever I dropped my shield. Poked him to death doing something miserable like 22 damage a hit, and he got two heals off.
It took me something like 2-3 hours including all the failed attempts before to beat him, and then I died a few more times to the boss before giving up and loosing a few arrows at the bird on it's head. Was very satisfying to see them fall though, and the Meat Cleaver was worth the effort. #demon
11/03/09
Also, do you know how to get a Moon Wing Spear? I have a Wing Spear +8 but the upgrade to get the "Moon" doesn't appear. Do I have to keep upgrading till I hit +10? I have most of the minerals for all the upgrades that I found on the forums and sites... Same applies for my Bow (currently at Quality +3 but want a Viscous...)
This game is my life and my bane... HAHAH #demon
11/04/09
If your world isn't allowing for any pure white events then you might need to beat a boss or two more in that area, there's degrees of white.
I get what you mean about it being your life and your bane; I haven't managed to clock more than 20 hours on a character before making a new one with my new knowledge... #demon
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...started to dwindle...
I must return to the Nexus.
Oh, and as far as this goes, this sounds like Pure Black World Tendencies for everyone on Halloween! I'm guessing we'll see Pure White World Tendencies for Christmast.
Oh how I love From Software. #demon
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"One more weapon upgrade... Oh, I'll just bring 2-2 WT to PB, defeat BP Scirvir and then I'm done for the night...
"Oh well, now that I have the Talisman of Beasts, might as well level up my stats in order to equip it.
"Hm, I could take on the Maneater(s)... Would be easier with Firestorm - which means I should free Yuria - which I can't do until I free Biorr - which I can't do until I defeat an Archdemon - oh! hey! since Biorr's here, let's tag-team the 1-3 Major Demon!"
And so on.
All fucking night.
I think I'm sick... #demon
10/30/09
So the world might be mended.
...be mended. #demon
10/30/09
@i_pooped_on_: I've never seen the WT pure black over all the worlds - can't wait! I still have a few Black Phantoms to kill, the Halloween event couldn't come at a better time (it'll save me a truckload of Stones of Ephemeral Eye). #demon
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You'll be amazed when you find yourself rubbing on vaseline, putting on a pair of sweats and go in again.. it's punishingly addictive.
And it controls sort-of like oblivion, i guess. #demon
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The game's vulnerability coupled with dark surroundings leave you with a sense of impending doom. Very atmospheric. Linear, so i'd compare it more with Ninja Gaiden then Oblivion. #demon
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It's not on-rails linear, but it's not GTA sandbox.
It's kind of like Megaman, actually. Defeat the first boss, then you go to a hub where you can access the remaining levels of the game. #demon
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It even came with the preorder art book and soundtrack cd which is quite odd as it wasn't a preorder... #demon
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No doubt. It's a great game but I'm almost done. :) #demon
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i've being ban from eating junk food as well....AND THAT SUCKS ヽ(`Д´)ノ #demon
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You're already suffering cruel and unusual punishment. #demon
10/30/09
I swear she's so pissed right now that the Borgs would end up crying like babies if they mess with her ^_^ #demon
10/30/09
Half mercy, I'll pray for you. -holds on tight to a cross- #demon
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Heck not even the combine power of god,cthulhu,Eternity and the Living Tribunal wouldn't mess with her right now....so you better start praying a little harder ^_^
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Til you get pure white. #demon
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Regardless, Miralda is there in white and black, she just drops different loot. Binded armor in White, and Guillotine Axe in Black. And yes, you can kill her once in each tendency :) #demon
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