@Milo Corkey: after 4 years I'm still enjoying the animations the most.
more than anything.
It's important to me that the motions all look and feel real. Fluidity.
I can wake up before work and spend 15 minutes joyriding on my Red Dragon flying-mount and feel completely satisfied.
cup of coffee, a scone, and oh, IDK, flying a red dragon...
Even in flight the dragonmount looks and feels right. If I stop and go idle, the dragon shifts his weight and struggles (visually) to keep us both aloft.
It coughs. It sneezes. It looks around for prey. If I type /mountspecial it arches it neck and roars!
I have a baby dragon as a pet. and when idle, it belches fire (and smoke ring) randomly every half hour.
Combine just my character, his dragon mount, and his dragonwhelp pet and you have over 1,000 animations.
@rainofwalrus: I understand the animations might be endearing, but aren't there a lot of MMOs that people might argue have better/on-par animations and graphics? There's nothing in WoW that stands out to me compared to the others out there. And sure, maybe World of Warcraft started all of these "knock-offs" or whatever you want to call them. But with that in mind, WoW seems beloved in the same way LotR or Star Wars are; it's just the facilitatory prototype.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not anti-WoW, and this isn't me trying to find something wrong with it (I was and still am an avid fan of Warcraft III. Blizzard rocks, in my opinion.). I even tried to get into the game once upon a time, though I never got beyond level 22. It might be me. Everyone knows that every game isn't meant for everyone (except for maybe Wii Sports, or so the numbers say...). I'm just having a hard time pegging WoW's distinctive charm.
I think Blizzard is taking some positive steps to address one of the main complaints about the game: time commitment. Every update/tweak patch in the last year has introduced new features that help new players get to the good content faster. You can now have a mount earlier than ever before, and they cost less, and they run faster. High level characters can acquire levelling gear that they can use for every new character they create to help them work through the early content quicker. Two large patches increased the XP rewards for every quest in the first part of the game in order to get players through faster. They also made old elite PvP gear available for much lower prices than it used to be, to help new players break into the PvP scene.
Of course Blizzard makes their money based on people paying the subscription bill every month, but I think they are still making some positive steps to make the game at least a little bit less of a time-drain. It will still take forever and a day to get all the really elite gear and experience the cutting-edge raid and arena scene, but now it is much easier for a casual player to make their way to the substantial endgame in a short time.
@ToiletNinjas: I've always thought there was a another incentive for speeding up the early content ride besides helping new players: assisting players with leveling alts. I know plenty of people who play with several alts, and those alts are one of the main sustaining sources of fun in the game for them. It's a credit to Blizzard that the easing of early content has a two fold benefit for players, and for them.
I used to play. I raided, soloed, tried not to get intensely frustrated with PUGs, always wondered why the Alliance could never get it together on the BG.
One day, I decided that I had enough, and uninstalled.
Nothing against the game itself, or it's players. In fact, I met quite a few nice, generous, well-grounded folks in my tenure as a rogue.
However, I could no longer justify spending the amount of time that was required to really play the game and get, what I felt, was my money's worth. College, other games to play, art to make, jobs to do. I just simply couldn't continue with the time-sink that is WoW any longer.
@bean: Yeah, it's a time sink. That is the only valid argument against the game. You really can't get the full experience unless you put a good bit of time getting gear and getting gold. Even gold buyers are beating half the issue.
They talk about casual players but at the rate they dump content if you don't at least try to keep up at some pace you are left so far behind it's ridiculous, PvP or PvE wise. It's a double edged sword the rate they come out with content.
I really laugh at people who played to level 15, or even just 30, and said the game sucked. They really didn't experience the game. To me that's like loading Super Mario Bros 1, running into the first monster and saying the game was garbage and quitting.
I also raid 3 nights a week in a 25 man guild that is 13th on the 24th highest progressed server in the US. We also completed Tribute to Insanity on 10s. We are normal people who enjoy the challenge of the game as well as the social atmosphere it provides.
Plus I'm a girl.
So stereotypes are bad people, mmkay?
I'm just a little disappointed in this article. If you don't play, thats cool, it's just a game, everyone has different things they like and thats fine. I just feel a little targeted. It's not like you make "Why I don't play X game" for every game that came out.
@ljndeed: I am a very big fan of WoW myself and I definitely see where you are coming from. However, in their defense, Kotaku did just run a big "Why I play WoW" feature a few days ago and they don't do that for most games either. I think what they are trying to do is form a full cultural snapshot of WoW's impact on the gaming community in the last five years, both from within and without the WoW player base. I definitely take offense when people start going wild on the anti-WoW stereotypes, I fought my way out of my parents' basement and got a white-collar job with no college degree based purely on my moxie, all while playing WoW for a few hours every few nights. I think if you take this week's set of WoW-related content as one giant "Five Year Retrospective" documentary, it'll take the sting out of this particular feature.
Wow, it's never been so clear that Kotaku is an MTV-owned blog full of people who really want to be cool.
No one's saying you have to like the game, but basically every comment here is so harsh. It's just a game. The people who take it too seriously are sad, but most people don't play it that much. Really.
I play WoW whenever there's something fun to do, like a world event. Sometimes I'll keep an active subscription for as much as 6 months, but never any longer than that. I got my boyfriend to play; he didn't want to at first, he thought it looked dumb. Now he likes it a lot.
When I play, I raid, with awesomely nice people who I sort of know in real life, but who live a few states away. I'm a night-owl, so it's nice to have people to talk to on Vent late at night.
WoW is as addictive as you let it be. If you don't like MMOs already, I don't see why WoW would win you over, but then, I never played anything like an MMO before this game.
It's actually fun to play with a significant other, too. I never got a character above level 40, even after a few years of playing, until I had someone to level with. It's also fun as hell when you get goofy late at night and start doing stupid crap with your characters, like jumping them off cliffs or killing as many penguins as you can at once.
I played it, I enjoyed it, I stopped playing. Nothing against it, in fact I would recommend it. It's a great game.
But for me it was no different from any other great game. I put a lot of time into it and after a while I started getting tired of it and moved on another game.
I don't really see why people are scared about "addiction". Yeah there are people that play to excess but there were also people maxed out on MW2 after 2 days. It's no different from other great games, there are just a lot more people playing it.
It wasnt the fee that turned me off, hell no, you SAVE money playing mmo's because you dont go out and buy a £40 game every other week.
The reason I dont play, and, this is my opinion, I know a ton of people that enjoy it, the reason is, I find it to be incredibly fucking boring.
Seriously, I cant play it, there was a time when I could play mmo's I played UO, Runescape, FFXI, Silkroad, Rose, and up to level 8 WoW, recently I tried WAR and COH as well but I couldnt get into them.
The only MMO type game I could stand playing these days would be a new PSO, but to me, theyre so god damn boring.
I also don't play WoW because of the sheer amount of time involved in it.
When I'm sitting on my ass talking to people I've never met in real life, developing close relationships with them, stuffing my face with unhealthy food, it's like I'm working for a phone hotline of the dirty persuasion.
That said, I have played it before, and damn't, I just enjoy playing non-mmo's so much more, as I get more variety, freedom and creative inspiration from them, than I ever would from one never-ending video game.
I had a roommate a year and a half ago who played WoW religiously. Sometimes, at 2 or 3 in the morning, I could hear him swearing his guts out at the game. He had to have been near 30 years old. I found it a bit disturbing.
My roommate in college last year had a boyfriend who played WoW religiously too. He only got to see his girl for a couple days every two-three weeks...and he would spend much of his time with her playing that game. It makes me really sad when I think of it now, because she is a wonderful girl. How could a guy ever think to neglect his girl in favor of a game?
I tried playing WoW once before. Just the demo. There didn't seem to be an experience there that I wanted. I went for about 3 hours before giving up.
Mind you, I've found that generally I've lost a lot of interest in gaming recently. I find the random craziness of life a lot funner. Plus real life has more boobs.
One of the great things, things I like about games, is the control. It is a world in which I control the when, the how, they why. I can play 40 hours in a week and not touch it for two months. It's my choice.
Then I got married and spawned offspring. Let me tell you, the ability to pause and leave it alone when your adorable little Exorcist baby spews green stuff out the face to scrub, bathe, and vomit myself, is invaluable.
Also, I have this little thing about controlling myself. I don't drink, or smoke, or get toasted, or even regularly watch TV, because I don't like relinquishing control of my time, mind, and body, to the whims and whiles of anyone but my wife (and she's hot, and has bewbs IRL, for serious). The minute I start to feel the my decisions have been made for me, by someone else, is when I am officially done.
WoW is the antithesis of all that. For all the reasons above, and more. Sitting around, playing on someone else's schedule, neglecting what I would like to do and turning a hobby into another chore. Monthly fee, too much time, not enough fun, and I like to actually have sex with said wife, which is hard to do when locked out of the room and sleeping on the couch. Which brings me to my ultimate example.
I worked with a girl, let's call her Linda. Linda, not her real name, was nerd crack wrapped in dork heroin with a porno chaser. She was a very pretty, very (very) well built (read: bewbs and teh bootie) black girl, fluent in Japanese, an anime and video game and D&D and Star Trek dweeb of the highest order. And her boyfriend at the time was a chubby boring white guy. On several occasions, she came over to his house, and wanted sex. Sex. What just about every other male who had ever met Linda wanted. What did pudgy white guy boyfriend DO with the gift from the geek gods that was Linda? Ignored her for hours at a stretch until she left or passed out. Whether or not he had a pulse is yet to be determined, but I can say with certainty he's never gonna find a woman half as incredible as her, if he winds up a doctor.
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I don't play WoW because my penis would wind up strangling me to death from neglect, and someone else would wind up with my wife and job. Plus, it's boring and looks butt-ugly, but that's just the icing on the giant cake of No.
As many of you, back in the day I played World of Warcraft. I played for about 2 years casually, as in maybe 5-8 hours a week. My roommate on the other hand took it to a whole new level, and I saw him change completely in my eyes. I've sworn off the game but every now and then I'll get the itch to play it. I have a lot of respect for Blizzard and I think they make great games. I just can't say I'd devote 5 years of my life to this game. I remember near the end of playing it, it just started to really seem physically hallow to me, like graphically speaking, the magic died for me, and I don't see what I used to.
As for my roommate he still plays, not as much as before, but it's effected him really badly. He gained A LOT of weight, stopped showering.. I had to and still have to from time to time, remind him that he stinks and he needs to clean up. His social life went to hell, and he seems really depressed.. I've spoken with him a lot about it, and still enjoy the WoW chat from time to time. It is a lifestyle choice and some people don't want to be bothered. I can understand that, we all want to escape in a game or not think about our troubles...
Anyways, that's all I have to add. I don't hate the game, just it's that I don't play anymore and I've seen how bad it can get for people.
I honestly don't understand how WoW is, in any way, enjoyable.
I have a couple friends who spend a lot of time playing, and I just don't get it. I've watched them both play. They just go into some PvP server, put on some shitty metal music, sit back, and cast "Damage over time" spells on other players whilst running around in circles and healing themselves.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I guess I'm just not one for giving a shit about leveling up in video games. I also never could understand it when one of the same friends kept on PRESTIGING IN CALL OF DUTY 4!!! WHY!?!??!?!
He would always complain afterward about losing all of his perks and weapons. I don't understand the mentality!
World of Warcraft was possibly the worst first person shooter I've ever played. First of all, monthly fee? I could go play Halo or Call of Duty for free every month. Not able to see your weapon while firing? Wow, what kind of retarded ape thought this was a good idea. The worst though, auto targeting. Holy cow, I was so confused when I couldn't find a targeting reticule. I asked a guy about it who was also in the starting zone and he said "What? Just right click on it idiot." Idiot? Excuse me? I'm the idiot for expecting to use even the slightest bit of skill by targeting my own shots? Good job.
There's this really bad questing system in place too. Like I was expected to actually -do- stuff just to advance. Screw that. I play to kill stuff. Why would I want to worry about an economy or writing letters? I don't. I want to aim my gun at some hapless player and blow it to pieces.
After about 20 minutes of frustratingly trying to figure out how everything worked, I was constantly harassed by the scum of the earth. ; Role-players. Apparently my name was not up to their standards, and my lack of care when it came to "breaching their fourth wall" or something pissed them off. Whatever that means. I didn't start playing to breach any of your walls, pervert. Leave me alone.
After a long argument about pets, I was told to take my character to a hunter trainer to learn new skills and learn to tame a pet. WHAT? I actually have to sit there and purchase skill ranks? WTF. And who needs a stupid pet anyway? I wasn't there to play the goddamn sims pets. I'm not feeding some virtual fleebag. I'm shooting things.
All in all, keep WoW out of your games-to-buy list this holiday season. Worst FPS ever invented, in the history of forever. It's so over-hyped.
I just can't see the appeal in the game. I don't know anyone who still plays WoW (they all said it was an addictive timesink), but I know people with similar habits to other games, and it reminds me all too well of WoW's corrosive effects on people who play it.
I have a friend or two whose reason d'etre revolves around playing one multiplayer shooter or another at the expense of everything else. They sponge off their parents, make half-hearted efforts to find work, schedule what little temporary work they find entirely around "game night(s)" and focus entirely on the games to the exclusion of hanging out with real friends or just doing stuff that doesn't involve playing those goddamn games (like growing up and digging themselves out of the holes they dug).
I also got my head talked off about how difficult it is to manage clans and all the personal lives of their virtual friends, and the social aspects of these games (whatever they may be, I just see my own online opponents as robots to avoid or destroy in what little time I spend on multiplayer games), and I just find it irritating.
I hate WoW, I hate what it does to people, and I hate what it brings out in people. I can't help but associate the game with socially-retarded shut-ins and unmotivated layabouts adrift in some crappy fantasy world, and I'm not too keen on anything else resembling WoW either.
11/27/09
Why do you enjoy it so much?
And saying "it's the people who play it!" doesn't count. All MMOs have communities.
11/28/09
more than anything.
It's important to me that the motions all look and feel real. Fluidity.
I can wake up before work and spend 15 minutes joyriding on my Red Dragon flying-mount and feel completely satisfied.
cup of coffee, a scone, and oh, IDK, flying a red dragon...
Even in flight the dragonmount looks and feels right. If I stop and go idle, the dragon shifts his weight and struggles (visually) to keep us both aloft.
It coughs. It sneezes. It looks around for prey. If I type /mountspecial it arches it neck and roars!
I have a baby dragon as a pet. and when idle, it belches fire (and smoke ring) randomly every half hour.
Combine just my character, his dragon mount, and his dragonwhelp pet and you have over 1,000 animations.
11/28/09
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not anti-WoW, and this isn't me trying to find something wrong with it (I was and still am an avid fan of Warcraft III. Blizzard rocks, in my opinion.). I even tried to get into the game once upon a time, though I never got beyond level 22. It might be me. Everyone knows that every game isn't meant for everyone (except for maybe Wii Sports, or so the numbers say...). I'm just having a hard time pegging WoW's distinctive charm.
11/28/09
@Milo Corkey: i've played just about MMO--not to mention just about every CRPG and JRPG, and WOW has the best animations of them all. By far.
Sure, the rendition engine is dated. but I dont mind, I'm still taking incredible screenshots in a 4 year old game.
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Of course Blizzard makes their money based on people paying the subscription bill every month, but I think they are still making some positive steps to make the game at least a little bit less of a time-drain. It will still take forever and a day to get all the really elite gear and experience the cutting-edge raid and arena scene, but now it is much easier for a casual player to make their way to the substantial endgame in a short time.
11/27/09
11/26/09
One day, I decided that I had enough, and uninstalled.
Nothing against the game itself, or it's players. In fact, I met quite a few nice, generous, well-grounded folks in my tenure as a rogue.
However, I could no longer justify spending the amount of time that was required to really play the game and get, what I felt, was my money's worth. College, other games to play, art to make, jobs to do. I just simply couldn't continue with the time-sink that is WoW any longer.
11/26/09
They talk about casual players but at the rate they dump content if you don't at least try to keep up at some pace you are left so far behind it's ridiculous, PvP or PvE wise. It's a double edged sword the rate they come out with content.
I really laugh at people who played to level 15, or even just 30, and said the game sucked. They really didn't experience the game. To me that's like loading Super Mario Bros 1, running into the first monster and saying the game was garbage and quitting.
11/26/09
I also raid 3 nights a week in a 25 man guild that is 13th on the 24th highest progressed server in the US. We also completed Tribute to Insanity on 10s. We are normal people who enjoy the challenge of the game as well as the social atmosphere it provides.
Plus I'm a girl.
So stereotypes are bad people, mmkay?
I'm just a little disappointed in this article. If you don't play, thats cool, it's just a game, everyone has different things they like and thats fine. I just feel a little targeted. It's not like you make "Why I don't play X game" for every game that came out.
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No one's saying you have to like the game, but basically every comment here is so harsh. It's just a game. The people who take it too seriously are sad, but most people don't play it that much. Really.
I play WoW whenever there's something fun to do, like a world event. Sometimes I'll keep an active subscription for as much as 6 months, but never any longer than that. I got my boyfriend to play; he didn't want to at first, he thought it looked dumb. Now he likes it a lot.
When I play, I raid, with awesomely nice people who I sort of know in real life, but who live a few states away. I'm a night-owl, so it's nice to have people to talk to on Vent late at night.
WoW is as addictive as you let it be. If you don't like MMOs already, I don't see why WoW would win you over, but then, I never played anything like an MMO before this game.
It's actually fun to play with a significant other, too. I never got a character above level 40, even after a few years of playing, until I had someone to level with. It's also fun as hell when you get goofy late at night and start doing stupid crap with your characters, like jumping them off cliffs or killing as many penguins as you can at once.
*shrug* At least it keeps me off drugs.
11/26/09
But for me it was no different from any other great game. I put a lot of time into it and after a while I started getting tired of it and moved on another game.
I don't really see why people are scared about "addiction". Yeah there are people that play to excess but there were also people maxed out on MW2 after 2 days. It's no different from other great games, there are just a lot more people playing it.
11/26/09
The reason I dont play, and, this is my opinion, I know a ton of people that enjoy it, the reason is, I find it to be incredibly fucking boring.
Seriously, I cant play it, there was a time when I could play mmo's I played UO, Runescape, FFXI, Silkroad, Rose, and up to level 8 WoW, recently I tried WAR and COH as well but I couldnt get into them.
The only MMO type game I could stand playing these days would be a new PSO, but to me, theyre so god damn boring.
11/25/09
When I'm sitting on my ass talking to people I've never met in real life, developing close relationships with them, stuffing my face with unhealthy food, it's like I'm working for a phone hotline of the dirty persuasion.
That said, I have played it before, and damn't, I just enjoy playing non-mmo's so much more, as I get more variety, freedom and creative inspiration from them, than I ever would from one never-ending video game.
11/25/09
My roommate in college last year had a boyfriend who played WoW religiously too. He only got to see his girl for a couple days every two-three weeks...and he would spend much of his time with her playing that game. It makes me really sad when I think of it now, because she is a wonderful girl. How could a guy ever think to neglect his girl in favor of a game?
I tried playing WoW once before. Just the demo. There didn't seem to be an experience there that I wanted. I went for about 3 hours before giving up.
Mind you, I've found that generally I've lost a lot of interest in gaming recently. I find the random craziness of life a lot funner. Plus real life has more boobs.
11/25/09
Then I got married and spawned offspring. Let me tell you, the ability to pause and leave it alone when your adorable little Exorcist baby spews green stuff out the face to scrub, bathe, and vomit myself, is invaluable.
Also, I have this little thing about controlling myself. I don't drink, or smoke, or get toasted, or even regularly watch TV, because I don't like relinquishing control of my time, mind, and body, to the whims and whiles of anyone but my wife (and she's hot, and has bewbs IRL, for serious). The minute I start to feel the my decisions have been made for me, by someone else, is when I am officially done.
WoW is the antithesis of all that. For all the reasons above, and more. Sitting around, playing on someone else's schedule, neglecting what I would like to do and turning a hobby into another chore. Monthly fee, too much time, not enough fun, and I like to actually have sex with said wife, which is hard to do when locked out of the room and sleeping on the couch. Which brings me to my ultimate example.
I worked with a girl, let's call her Linda. Linda, not her real name, was nerd crack wrapped in dork heroin with a porno chaser. She was a very pretty, very (very) well built (read: bewbs and teh bootie) black girl, fluent in Japanese, an anime and video game and D&D and Star Trek dweeb of the highest order. And her boyfriend at the time was a chubby boring white guy. On several occasions, she came over to his house, and wanted sex. Sex. What just about every other male who had ever met Linda wanted. What did pudgy white guy boyfriend DO with the gift from the geek gods that was Linda? Ignored her for hours at a stretch until she left or passed out. Whether or not he had a pulse is yet to be determined, but I can say with certainty he's never gonna find a woman half as incredible as her, if he winds up a doctor.
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I don't play WoW because my penis would wind up strangling me to death from neglect, and someone else would wind up with my wife and job. Plus, it's boring and looks butt-ugly, but that's just the icing on the giant cake of No.
11/25/09
As for my roommate he still plays, not as much as before, but it's effected him really badly. He gained A LOT of weight, stopped showering.. I had to and still have to from time to time, remind him that he stinks and he needs to clean up. His social life went to hell, and he seems really depressed.. I've spoken with him a lot about it, and still enjoy the WoW chat from time to time. It is a lifestyle choice and some people don't want to be bothered. I can understand that, we all want to escape in a game or not think about our troubles...
Anyways, that's all I have to add. I don't hate the game, just it's that I don't play anymore and I've seen how bad it can get for people.
11/25/09
I have a couple friends who spend a lot of time playing, and I just don't get it. I've watched them both play. They just go into some PvP server, put on some shitty metal music, sit back, and cast "Damage over time" spells on other players whilst running around in circles and healing themselves.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I guess I'm just not one for giving a shit about leveling up in video games. I also never could understand it when one of the same friends kept on PRESTIGING IN CALL OF DUTY 4!!! WHY!?!??!?!
He would always complain afterward about losing all of his perks and weapons. I don't understand the mentality!
11/25/09
There's this really bad questing system in place too. Like I was expected to actually -do- stuff just to advance. Screw that. I play to kill stuff. Why would I want to worry about an economy or writing letters? I don't. I want to aim my gun at some hapless player and blow it to pieces.
After about 20 minutes of frustratingly trying to figure out how everything worked, I was constantly harassed by the scum of the earth. ; Role-players. Apparently my name was not up to their standards, and my lack of care when it came to "breaching their fourth wall" or something pissed them off. Whatever that means. I didn't start playing to breach any of your walls, pervert. Leave me alone.
After a long argument about pets, I was told to take my character to a hunter trainer to learn new skills and learn to tame a pet. WHAT? I actually have to sit there and purchase skill ranks? WTF. And who needs a stupid pet anyway? I wasn't there to play the goddamn sims pets. I'm not feeding some virtual fleebag. I'm shooting things.
All in all, keep WoW out of your games-to-buy list this holiday season. Worst FPS ever invented, in the history of forever. It's so over-hyped.
11/25/09
lawl, you call shitty fetch quests "doing stuff?"
11/25/09
I have a friend or two whose reason d'etre revolves around playing one multiplayer shooter or another at the expense of everything else. They sponge off their parents, make half-hearted efforts to find work, schedule what little temporary work they find entirely around "game night(s)" and focus entirely on the games to the exclusion of hanging out with real friends or just doing stuff that doesn't involve playing those goddamn games (like growing up and digging themselves out of the holes they dug).
I also got my head talked off about how difficult it is to manage clans and all the personal lives of their virtual friends, and the social aspects of these games (whatever they may be, I just see my own online opponents as robots to avoid or destroy in what little time I spend on multiplayer games), and I just find it irritating.
I hate WoW, I hate what it does to people, and I hate what it brings out in people. I can't help but associate the game with socially-retarded shut-ins and unmotivated layabouts adrift in some crappy fantasy world, and I'm not too keen on anything else resembling WoW either.
11/25/09
This!
11/25/09