Anycase, if you really were making a marketing message I'd actually rather purchase a product that's more tangentially related to the story line than something that just takes it and translates it into a made for DVD cartoon gore fest.
And if you were serious about getting a bunch of acclaimed creators onboard to create their own unique vision, why not have them each envision a different circle of hell. Or of course, you just have them create stories inside your version of the 9 circles. 9 teams for 9 circles, makes perfect marketing sense to me. And it would probably have resulted in a more interesting product.
Manglobe is win, though Ergo Proxy was rather poor by their standards ( Samurai Champloo, Michiko to Hatchin).
I'm pleasantly surprised by this, though. I expected an American company would try to tap Gonzo for an animated tie-in, because if you want to really rape historical source material, Gonzo is the studio that does it the best (or worst)!
@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: Really? Hmm, Samurai Champloo still hasn't done it for me yet. I absolutely loved Ergo Proxy though. Maybe I need to try harder for Samurai Champloo and is it just me or does Mugen seem very similar to Spike from Cowboy Bebop? Just more hot headed... #dantesinferno
@Paul Usoro: Come on man... Ergo Proxy was absolute shit, you know the studio was playing around with us when they had that episode which was staged like a game show. Everything up to that point was entertaining but that part and the rest of the series was delirious at best. #dantesinferno
@SumUp4U: I dunno, there was just something I enjoyed about Ergo Proxy.
Ah, I remember that episode! Yeah, they were really playing around with us at that point, although I was so sure there was some significance to that episode...meh, can't remember.
Ergo Proxy did have a crazy twisted plot but I still enjoyed it for some reason... #dantesinferno
First Dead Space, now Dante's Inferno?.....I like it. Hope they do this with all their new IP releases....and do it for their old ones too.....a Fifa Anime? Maybe a Eyeshield 21 type feature to promote Madden...I'd even buy the game if they did that! #dantesinferno
@excel_excel: i wanted to watch the dead space movie because i absolutely love dead space but im not sure why they made (spoiler?) the captain of the ishimura die in a different way as opposed to the the game
details like that which don't stay true to the original source bother me so i didn't watch it #dantesinferno
@starmor:
The anime was produced well before the game was even close to finished, by my guess. Another blatant error is the Plasma Cutter being a melee weapon. Likely, that was how the gun was in earlier builds/concepts for the game, but was changed later. #dantesinferno
@excel_excel: The Dead Space anime was HORRIBLE. I have it, I should know. Makes me a bit more skeptical of this. And that they don't even know how to spell samurai correctly. #dantesinferno
@starmor: yeah that kind of thing can irk me too, like in the Final Fantasy VII anime Last Order, which changed the events that happened in Nibelhiem. Made it much worse #dantesinferno
I won't enter the whole anime stereotypification discussion again 'cuz I'm in a good mood today... instead, here's another take, starring Team Fortress 2. [xspblog.com]#grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
Even though I'm an anime fan (some series anyway), this made me laugh pretty hard. Anime is often guilty of all of these things. First thing we fans have to learn is how to laugh at ourselves. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!:
Not to mention that Rockstar pretty much just makes fun of everything, so it was only a matter of time until they hit anime...
@Koda89:
Well, yeah, it's an exaggerated parody. Hopefully no one actually takes this to heart. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Blah8: True. I mean hell, for the longest time R* parodied the political parties via the radio stations in the games, and the TV shows in GTA4 are just flat out amazing. What's that one, Redneck Space Marines or something? That one rocked. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Koda89: Well no, you'd be hard pressed to find a series that does EVERYTHING they make fun of, but parody is usually about a whole genre, not just one particular work. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: It's not even the whole genre, though. Only a small fraction of anime do anything they are parodying. In fact, the only sub-genre that even features half of the parody material is hentai. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
It's not a very potent joke because there are parodic anime and because it looks like a cheap american production trying to mimic the dominant aesthetic of anime. Put that in the context of a fake TV channel in a satiric game and it's just a little too confusing and multi-layered to be effective.
@Cookie: That's the thing: it does not look like a parody of a show, it looks like a parodic show (self-referencing jokes included). It does not look like an anime, it looks like an american made pseudo-anime. There are so many layers of simulacrum, that it feels like the good people at Rockstar lost their joke in there somewhere. Well... at the very least they lost me. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@RicoTheSaboteur: You're reading too much into it. It's not intentionally multilayered, it's just a jab at crappy J-animation pure and simple. Now as you noticed (I didn't) the style is a poor imitation of anime, but this is most likely due to the fact that it's being made by a western video game studio. And that it doesn't have to look like an actual anime, just what the audience believes an anime to look like.
You could make an argument that the show is actually a stab at the stereotypical view of animes many Westerners (surely there's a better word than "westerners"?) share. And Rockstar is up their own arse enough to make that theory plausible. So really, who knows? #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
I watched this yesterday after being linked to it by the Bioshock 2 trailer. I got a laugh out of it, fer sure. Still, I hope this doesn't fool people into thinking Rockstar is "edgy" or anything. From stealing cars to drug deals to sex minigames to full frontal male nudity? Just because it causes rage on the internets and in the media at large doesn't mean it's edgy.
Rockstar lead designer: Hmmm...what can we do in our next game to push this "envelope" thing even further?
Rockstar assistant designer: Well, judging by the escalation of things, our next game should feature incest, and the game after it should feature cannibalism as a culturally acceptable concept.
Rockstar lead designer: Incest is bad? I think full frontal dong is worse than incest. By the by....what is incest anyway?
@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: All true, but I don't see how that applies to the trailer. The "Anime" is in there as satire, not to make the game "edgy" or controversial. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Cookie: Ah. Good catch, there. Yeah, I only referenced it in passing in my original comment. My point is that they wouldn't have made fun of it if they didn't think it would have caused a fair bit of internet RAAAGE. As in, several years ago, they wouldn't have thought anime had a big enough fanbase to warrant making fun of. Satire doesn't wait until something is popular to make fun of it. Satire draws attention to something by its own merits. Making fun of something once it becomes popular is just makes them less satirical and more trollish.
I do see what you're getting at though. Rockstar's "brand" has often crossed the border to crapland. When they get it, they nail it. When they miss it, it's pretty awful. Thankfully, you contributed more than the starred commenter above you (whose point I'm still trying to figure out), so I should say that in a perfect world, a star would be heading your way soon!
@R0CKFISH:
What makes it good is that it has an -original- story and doesn't have random moments when the character's faces change to some chibi form, therefore confusing the hell out of other cultures. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@ppppp: So you're describing almost every Satoshi Kon anime ever made as well? Well, save for the fact that he does confuse the hell out of his audiences (both foreign and domestic), but for entirely different reasons. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@ppppp: Everything you wrote would be perfect, if only you didn't add a mainstream title in the mix.
Death Note is good, but too many people keep talking about it, so it became a bother.
The fact is: There are plenty of anime and manga titles FOR ALL TASTES out there.
There are several reasons why anime haters and people who don't know much about anime makes stereotypes such as the one on the video, but the main reason is because those are the characteristics you won't generally find on western cartoons.
And I'm saying "generally" because yes, I've seen worse things in western cartoons that were not trying to copy anime style.
Anyways, for those willing to try, here are some different title recommendations: [xspblog.com]#grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@ppppp: You're no better than the guy who made that parody if you're gonna discard good animes only because "the character's faces changes to some chibi form".
If you don't like it, fine. But that alone won't make the distinction between "the right" and "the wrong" anime. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi:
"There are plenty of anime and manga titles FOR ALL TASTES out there. "
90% of all anime is the same clique shit. Only every now and then, a genuine show that most non-anime fans can enjoy comes out. If you like anime in general, you're open to most of the stuff... princess space pirate cops in giant robots. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Anycase, if you really were making a marketing message I'd actually rather purchase a product that's more tangentially related to the story line than something that just takes it and translates it into a made for DVD cartoon gore fest.
And if you were serious about getting a bunch of acclaimed creators onboard to create their own unique vision, why not have them each envision a different circle of hell. Or of course, you just have them create stories inside your version of the 9 circles. 9 teams for 9 circles, makes perfect marketing sense to me. And it would probably have resulted in a more interesting product.
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I'm pleasantly surprised by this, though. I expected an American company would try to tap Gonzo for an animated tie-in, because if you want to really rape historical source material, Gonzo is the studio that does it the best (or worst)!
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Ah, I remember that episode! Yeah, they were really playing around with us at that point, although I was so sure there was some significance to that episode...meh, can't remember.
Ergo Proxy did have a crazy twisted plot but I still enjoyed it for some reason... #dantesinferno
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Samauri Champloo!
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@NaeemTHM: Huh? #dantesinferno
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@Silveth: It gets better. #dantesinferno
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details like that which don't stay true to the original source bother me so i didn't watch it #dantesinferno
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The anime was produced well before the game was even close to finished, by my guess. Another blatant error is the Plasma Cutter being a melee weapon. Likely, that was how the gun was in earlier builds/concepts for the game, but was changed later. #dantesinferno
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hmmm 6 directors.
wouldn't doubt it's the same format as animatrix and Gothem Knight.
The latter being decent and the former being pretty damned good, ofc. #dantesinferno
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That makes me sad. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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[xspblog.com] #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Granted, it is still funny, but hardly close to the real thing, just the "American view" of it. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Not to mention that Rockstar pretty much just makes fun of everything, so it was only a matter of time until they hit anime...
@Koda89:
Well, yeah, it's an exaggerated parody. Hopefully no one actually takes this to heart. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Doesn't seem all that complicated to me. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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You could make an argument that the show is actually a stab at the stereotypical view of animes many Westerners (surely there's a better word than "westerners"?) share. And Rockstar is up their own arse enough to make that theory plausible. So really, who knows? #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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So, what do you call the Japanese equivelent of a weeaboo anyway? #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Rockstar lead designer: Hmmm...what can we do in our next game to push this "envelope" thing even further?
Rockstar assistant designer: Well, judging by the escalation of things, our next game should feature incest, and the game after it should feature cannibalism as a culturally acceptable concept.
Rockstar lead designer: Incest is bad? I think full frontal dong is worse than incest. By the by....what is incest anyway?
Rockstar assistant designer: *whisperwhisperwhisper*
Rockstar lead designer:.....
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.....and that's bad...how?
Rockstar assistant designer: I also hear cannibalism is taboo. We could do cannibalism in GTA IV?
Rockstar lead designer: Make it Manhunt 3 and you have yourself a deal. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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I do see what you're getting at though. Rockstar's "brand" has often crossed the border to crapland. When they get it, they nail it. When they miss it, it's pretty awful. Thankfully, you contributed more than the starred commenter above you (whose point I'm still trying to figure out), so I should say that in a perfect world, a star would be heading your way soon!
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Though, Bayoneta seems to be pushing games into this category.
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ps. I enjoyed Death Note so no hating. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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What makes it good is that it has an -original- story and doesn't have random moments when the character's faces change to some chibi form, therefore confusing the hell out of other cultures. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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I'm generally an anime over manga kind of person but Death Note I feel works much better as a manga. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Actually, the music and voice choices in Death Note are perfect. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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Death Note is good, but too many people keep talking about it, so it became a bother.
The fact is: There are plenty of anime and manga titles FOR ALL TASTES out there.
There are several reasons why anime haters and people who don't know much about anime makes stereotypes such as the one on the video, but the main reason is because those are the characteristics you won't generally find on western cartoons.
And I'm saying "generally" because yes, I've seen worse things in western cartoons that were not trying to copy anime style.
Anyways, for those willing to try, here are some different title recommendations:
[xspblog.com] #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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If you don't like it, fine. But that alone won't make the distinction between "the right" and "the wrong" anime. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...
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"There are plenty of anime and manga titles FOR ALL TASTES out there. "
90% of all anime is the same clique shit. Only every now and then, a genuine show that most non-anime fans can enjoy comes out. If you like anime in general, you're open to most of the stuff... princess space pirate cops in giant robots. #grandtheftautoepisodesfromlibe...