You are a rather odd one indeed.

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on top of that, i dont find somewhat sharper images and smoother framerates "revolutionary." like ive said 1000 times, i console game because most of the stuff i care about either doesnt hit pc.. or has a pc version that isnt mind blowingly better than its console counterpart.. so theres really no point.

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See, we could go back and fourth all day about why you prefer to console game and while I prefer PC. That wasn't really my point though.

While you have some arguably valid reasons, he basically just took a positive comment about graphics being brought to a whole new level and said "this is why I console game."

So like I said, I could say "mods, physics, blablabla" but that's besides the point of my comment, which was to basically say "d00d you just said you console game because PC gaming is flagshiping the graphics department."

And I don't mind console gaming either, I have a Wii and a 360, and until I get things like No More Heroes or Tales of Vesperia on the PC, console will be my favorite, but when it comes to western games, I much more prefer the PC.

(So I guess you can say I am bias toward console because I like Japanese games, but will follow the Japanese games where they go.)

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also, random things like the last guardian will always keep me on a console. but yeah.. just because we finally have decent internet architecture on consoles.. i had started to try out a few more fpses. i have no problem with controllers over m/k.. ive bought games like cod 4, gears, resistance, and killzone 2.. none of those games have held my attention for more than a month or so.. i just dont get into them. i still find myself going back to timesplitters or goldeneye on the rare occasion that i want to play an fps.

i actually had started to lose interest in gaming for a while because the focus had been on pc ports or games that traditionally were pc oriented.. its just not me.. so it was pushing me away.

i do wish console gaming was arcade oriented again.. platformers, silly action co-op games, and fighting games. we're getting there.. but not quite yet.

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Agreed.

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Sweet deal ... keep me informed of how things are with it if you can. Too busy to mess around with it, thus I have not joined.

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I would do a complete migration of all my data right now actually, if it weren't for the RC not being able to upgrade to the full version when it's released later this year. So I'm holding off for a few months. And they will certainly be painful months.

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Sounds good, I currently run XP Pro 64bit ... and never had problems... well had this constant blue screen in this one game with EAX enables on the XiFi when I first built it, as well as on shut down sometimes it would not power off the fans and other components completely when the OS powered off ... but found out it was because my Crosshair mobo bios needed to be updated, after lengthy testing with Debugging Tools for Windows 64-bit.

(dont know why I didnt do that first thing, it usually is the first thing I look at when that happens)

Getting old I think, LOL.

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Exactly ... in real world gaming performance, of your everyday PC gamer ... the AMD CPUs handle the games plenty good. Especially at the price per performance ratio.

It is only for the overclocking need 120FPS and not 108FPS junkies that care.

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As it stands now, I pretty much run all my games with no slowdown, the only reason I'm doing this is for emulation of PS2 games (they look prettier on computer with that higher native res)

And these 100 dollar processors (actually one is sub 100, but meh) will once again protect me from upgrading for more then likely a few years.

(oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you or anything obviously, just providing a personal example :P)

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I agree... I used to use Intel for the longest time in the P4 and previous days. They were a bit pricier, but more stable than AMD at the time.

Now AMD is finally rock solid, makes a great product for the price, thus I use a Athlon XP 6400+ on a Crosshair board at the moment.

And just as you said, will probably be going with the same route you are for the upgrade when W7 hits.

They still game awesome, plenty of higher framerates and LCD refresh rates anyhow, and come at a much better price for not only the processor, but the mobos as well.

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If I could be bothered to switch now though, I would drop my Q6600 for a Phenom II X4 and a Gigabyte UD4P in a heartbeat.

From the looks of Intel's plans for i5 and i7 I'll most definitely be going with whatever AMD has to offer next, as I'm sure it'll be as close as things are now.

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"plenty of higher framerates THAN LCD refresh"

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Live is better than PC, even without mod support, oh and paying for maps is better than free on PC cause we have consoles so there!

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Do you think such weak guts can beat ME?

ATATATATATATATATAT WHACHA!

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*syntax error*

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You lack discipline!

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Exceptions are Japanese games, although Capcom is doing a GREAT job bringing their games to PC. But it doesn't really matter that much these days since Western console gamers don't give much of a shit for Japanese games anyways.

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$3000 for a computer? Hahahahahahaha!

Sorry, that is just ridiculously bad. You can build an i7 machine with a GTX285 and 8GB of RAM for about a third of then.

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So you have this very expensive rig playing on a presumably good monitor and you say consoles are the way to go because there the same experience? Consoles are a very limiting in what they can currently do. They are made to do 1 thing primarily and that's to play video games which they do well(not surprisingly). Then you have your computer which does exactly what a console does plus an infinite amount of other things and you bring in driver issues for a down side? When was the last time you had a god-damn driver issue?

All I was trying to get at was gaming on the PC is great and because it doesn't limit you there are so many more aspects to a lot of games on the PC. For example, the biggest thing a PC has over a console is mod-ability of said game. Games that can be modded easily and or have a good fan base have so much stuff the developers should be making you pay way more.

Finally, a "monster gaming PC" can mean different things to different people. Owning all three consoles would put you over a grand easily and with that you could build a "monster gaming PC" in my definition. Also console gaming isn't as cheap as you might think.

Console(360/PS3/Wii) = 200-400

Games = 40-70(most people own quite a few)

Extra controller = 50

Other Chargers = XBL/Random Accessories

Yea consoles may be cheaper at first but every gamer knows its an investment that builds over the years and by the end you've spent A LOT more then you think.

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Now, my system is a quad core @ 3ghz, GTX260 Core 216, 4 gigs of RAM, a terabyte of storage, I'm not interested in blu-ray at all, and it cost me... $500.
I can play any game out there on max settings and just watch it tear shit up. And 35fps in Crysis Warhead on Enthusiast with 16xQ AA at 1680x1050.

Also, I really don't want my case to look like something from Mardi Gras.
Coolermaster Centurion full size ATX, if you're interested.

I'll enjoy my less expensive superior PC versions of a vast majority of games, thank you very much. I'll use my 360 for the games I can't get on PC.

NOBODY needs to spend $3000 on a PC for a 'monster gaming rig' (ugh, I felt dirty just saying that), and if they do, they really have more money than sense.

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And keep enjoying your ridiculously overpriced flamboyant system that is only really outperforming mine worth a damn because you have a second 285.

Hell, I could throw in a second 260 and be sitting comfortably two doors down the hall from you.

Go play Fallout 3 on a console then play it on PC. Go play Prototype on 360 then play it on PC. Go play TF2, Portal or Left4Dead on 360 then play it on PC. Go play Oblivion, Morrowind, GTAIV, Fable, Final Fantasy XI, Devil May Cry 4, Assassin's Creed, CoD4, CoD5, Mass Effect, UT3, The Last Remnant, Dead Space, etc, etc, etc, on consoles and then play them on PC and tell me which version is superior. And controller has nothing to do with it. I use my 360 controller, and I also have a PS2 controller connected (though a PS3 controller works with a mini-B cable).

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Touche`

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Well then it will look better, better!

:-p

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Current cards can do that now.

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I can run everything maxed in Crysis @ 1920x1080 resolution, and average 30+ FPS on my GTX285.

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But the next generation's cards will be quite capable of running Crysis at 1920x1200 with 4xAA and maintain 60fps, which is something that no mainstream gaming setup can do (I won't comment on the kind of systems that the military can afford). So really, the Crysis memes will likely die out within a year from now, probably to be replaced with a successor.

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Lighten up guys, Crysis specifications are serious business.

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Agreed.

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Dont worry, you will still get plenty of mileage out of that card. I just recently bought one a month or so ago as well.

These new cards will be premium price like always, and within a year or two, cheap enough with better revisions (ie more stable) and cheaper to boot.

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Not that I'm upset about it now though, the 285 is a beast.

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the 285 is a beast.

That it is, I love it.

1920x1080 everything maxed ... such bliss!

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Really? I'm glad. (walks away from the edge of a tall building)

Gaming on this thing is fantastic, something else worries me, though: I couldn't afford a Quad proccessor, just a core2duo @ 3.0ghz, am I assumming right that it is holding the GTX285 back?

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Not at all.

Most games dont really take advantage of quad core processors. And in all the tests done, 2-3 core processors were hanging strong and in some games still performing better than the quad cores.

Now you probably will get better performance out of a newer generation dual core or above ... but nothing IMO, that would make me run out and slap money down on an upgrade now.

I wun on a Athlon XP 6400+ and couldnt be happier right now. And my next big upgrade will probably still be only a dual core, but in the new Athlon 2 or Phenom 2 spec.

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More than likely how they always have been.

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500 dollars and above for this type of shit, and a year later it will probably be reasonable 100 - 150.

The price for the high end stuff has always blew, but that's why we have the lovely mid range stuff that has great price performance rations :D

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That is why I only buy mid-range if it beats the last gen high end.

And if it doesnt, I stick with the last gen high end, until the newest high end is cheap enough.

I just recently bought a BFG GTX285 for less than $300, and that is well worth it, and will last the year or two until the newest high end is sub $300 or even more revisions of it sub that price at more hardware stability.

I never buy first gen in that field.

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Some sites, depending on supply and demand, will upcharge beyond MSRP.

And sometimes you will get a good deal as soon as they hit.

The GTX285 hovered around $400 for a bit then most places recently dropped it to $350 or a bit less when the 275 hit, but a store had it at $290 so I jumped on it. Awesome thing is, I got the superclock edition on the lower end overclock box from BFG. Someone messed up at the factory and put in the higher spec card, cause I have superclocked, clock speeds.

So I cant complain! Worked out awesome.

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That was, essentially, high end tech. Yes, there was a 4870, and then a 4870x2 at the extreme high end spectrum, but it was still a new tech. You are kidding yourself if you think AMD will only put this magic to work on $400 cards. There will, guaranteed, be a low end new tech card hovering in the 100 dollar range.

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Why would you do that? They all cost roughly the same if you consider the cost of a house to set them up in as part of the purchase. :S

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nVidia does the same thing as well.

So it is truly a great time to be a PC gamer, price/performance wise.

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The heat isn't bad all. These GPUs can run fine upwards of 100C. Plus the coolers on the high end parts at 1GHz have improved coolers vs. the one you see above.

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The GTX 285 is still the fasted single-GPU car don the market. The nice thing about the 4890 is that when OC'd it approaches the 285 in performance for much less.

The only catching up nVidia has to do is with their prices, which I don't see happening anytime soon, if ever.

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