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11/20/09
Oh well, it was a fun 8 months!
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11/19/09
Here you are putting $600 on something that is necessary for playing games, but can't play the games by itself.
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Besides, it would be pointless to plug this card into some dog of a PC, os it's not just $600 for a card. Your other components better be up to par and you better have a massive display to reap the benefits.
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11/19/09
so does the ps3...wasnt that their point?
obviously it cant do a tenth of what a computer can do but to the average consumer, a computer is a calculator, a word processor, and the internet.
11/19/09
Having to pay 1k+ for a decent gaming rig along with the upgrading every 6 months stereotype has been disproven so many times and for quite some time now I might add, yet people continue to prattle on about something they frankly know nothing about.
11/19/09
Anyone who spends that much money on a video card most likely gets the full use of a PC and yet not very many people know Blu-Ray exist. Go figure.
11/19/09
Part of this reason is that it will out perform the consoles. Hell even MW2 runs at only 600p on consoles, in comparrison to 1920x1200 on my PC.
I never implied that you had to upgrade every 6 months. Another post in this very topic I've made says that I've been running my 8800GTX for some time now and havn't had to even think about upgrading.
I consider my PC a more worthwhile investment than my console. Mainly because I can do a hell of a lot more on it and maintaining it is fun, so I think you're preaching to the wrong guy....
11/19/09
I never implied that you implied, I'm merely stating the excuse that normally comes with these PC vs. Console arguments/discussions.
But yea sorry I sounded like a dick it's just your post came off to me as something a anti-pc console fanboy would say, respect to you fellow PC brethren :)
11/19/09
I'm giving you the credit of trolling, because the only way anybody would seriously make that comparison is if they're a farking moron.
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11/19/09
Seriously, people who spent $1000 on two consoles (and I am one of those people) have no right to complain about a $600 videocard.
period.
#speakup
11/19/09
If you just did a goddamned break down in your own head you wouldn't make stupid statements like this. Instead, daddy here will walk you through it:
We'll pick the most expensive console at launch to do this.
PS3 - $600
Extra controller - $60
2 games $120
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Total: $780
For the PC we'll have to build it with premium parts as not to bottle neck this crazy video card. Got the prices off Newegg.com, and I didn't even pick the most expensive ones.
video card $600
820W PSU ~$120
core i7+mobo ~$500
6gb DDR1600 ram ~$120
case ~$100
Mouse+keyboard ~$80
soundcard ~$50 (let's put this in to make it equal b/c PS3 supports 7.1 sound)
500Gb HDD ~$75
2 games - $100
-----------------------------------
Total: $1745
So we're comparing the top of the line console price at launch with the top of the line gaming PC "at launch". Oh also I'm not adding in the cost of speakers even though most LCDs don't have built in speakers when HDTVs do.
Additionally, spending $400 for an xbox 360, then spending $600 on a ps3 a year later isn't comparable to dropping $1500 all at once on a PC.
If you said people picking up a $600 PS3 + $400 xbox 360 at the same time have no right to complain about a $600 video card, then I'd agree with you. But rarely do people ever go into the store and buy a PS3 and 360 and a bunch of games for both systems simultaneously.
Picking an extreme example to support your argument is weak.
#speakup
11/20/09
[www.newegg.com]
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$600 video card.
11/20/09
You're pointing at 4 year old PC tech and comparing them to the prices of the consoles at launch.
#speakup
11/20/09
PS3 doesn't come with an HDTV and Videocard doesn't come with a Computer.
I doesn't even appear that we're arguing. you have no case.
#speakup
11/20/09
Yeah, we're not even talking about the monitor or speakers required for the computer yet. Fine, if you just want to talk graphics card, the RSX is an Nvidia 7 series card which was probably worth ~$100 at launch. This graphics card is $600 by itself.
Your argument is so retarded I can't believe you just won't give up. I'm probably being trolled by you. If that is the case, kudos.
#speakup
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11/20/09
It's simply a fact that people purchase consoles because PC gaming is by far a more expensive hobby. To maintain the same video quality on a console you don't have to do anything over the life span of the console. To maintain a playable FPS at a similar graphics setting on a PC, there is a need to upgrade at least once over the same time as the lifespan of a console.
#speakup
11/20/09
And you flipped out. Started insulting me. Nice job, tough guy.
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11/21/09
Thanks for the discussion.
#speakup
11/23/09
but you do, you spend $1000 to upgrade your console graphics and then log onto kotaku and complain about a $600 graphic upgrade that doesn't play games by itself.
I'm not wrong. And you seem to keep missing my point.
#speakup
11/19/09
I'll pass. I've long since sworn off ATI cards.
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11/19/09
-Nevermind, I thought you said "when I bought an ATI card", as in once.
11/19/09
Such as downloading the driver and running the install program? Really, am I missing something here?
11/19/09
1. Uninstall the driver in Control Panel-- Add, remove program.
2. Reboot in Safe mode and run DriverSweeper (it's free) to get rid of the remainders in the registry. Take a couple secs to clean.
3.Reboot into Windows (regular mode) again and install new driver.
11/19/09
Yeah, WHENEVER is the keyword here..Lol. I think their Catalyst suite is pure garbage. Also what's the point? Nvidia seems to get all of the extra shit applied to their cards anyway..
I know, bells and whistles...
But I like bells and whistles.
They aren't terrible cards, in fact they make damn good hardware. But I always seem to have issues with the drivers.Either the install package fails or there is some weird error and I have to do an cleaner/reinstall and hope the thing runs properly. I've had this happen on several PCs that I have built. I've never had this problem with the Nvidia cards. Sure there is always some issues with games, but that is to be expected. But I'm talking simple hardware install.
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11/19/09
I don't mind switching back and forth between the two brands though, especially with the recent improvement ATI has gone through with their drivers. Whoever can come out with the best performance/dollar card is who gets my money. I never bother with the overkill monster cards like the 5970.
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11/19/09
It should be a simple process:
Download driver, install software, done. In the scope of things, It isn't rocket science, but it is inelegant and unnecessary and ATI SHOULD be better at it given their amount of time in the industry. I have the same problem with Creative and their sound cards, which is another company I no longer deal with.
11/19/09
"Unless you really REALLY want to run Arkham Asylum at 150+ fps."
Ooooh. That sounds awesome. lol.
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No offense, but either you're doing something wrong, or you've been REALLY unlucky.
Don't tell you me don't remember the nvlddmkm display driver error that plagued Vista users for months (me included). That particular error was the largest cause of ALL Vista crashes.
ATI's problem is bad launch drivers, after that they are pretty much golden.
11/19/09
Price isn't the problem here since I don't buy a new card every 6 months. I'm perfectly fine waiting until a new card's price drop to where I'm comfortable. So the price issue is null and void.
11/19/09
I'm not doing anything wrong, I just don't think their drivers are as stable as Nvidias are.
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11/19/09
If you've got two of these suckers, you actually be running Quadfire, no?
11/19/09
Hmm, methinks you're on to something...
11/19/09
All that said, ATI and AMD have come up in leaps and bounds in the last few years and it really is starting to boil down to a matter of personal preference for the most part.
11/19/09
[www.nvidia.com]
The only real performance number here is 520 GFlops - 630 GFlops in double precision, which is certainly better than the 544 GFlops of the Radeon 5870, but not worlds apart.
The card shown here is a sandwich card with two GPUs in it, capable of 928 GFlops in double. So in a sense this will be the fastest "single" card for awhile.
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What I'm looking for is cold, hard specs for the first line of 300 cards which so far have been vague at the most. I'm sure this will prompt Nvidia to loosen their tongues though.
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#speakup
11/19/09
What a glorious year(ish) it had been. Damn you, 58xx series and better!
Now if only we had games other than Crysis that actually put these things to work.
11/19/09
You're right about Crysis still being top dog, I've yet to see its superior. THere's no reason for us to upgrade, perhaps the next wave 8 months from now?
11/19/09
How much faster it is than the 285 I haven't the foggiest, don't really follow PC hardware much these days.
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OH god she'll kill me if she reads this!
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Like I would never get away with saying, "hey honey! i see your 'videocard' ;) is a bit of a mess. It's really let itself go in the last few months. Fancy showing it some love and taking care of it? In the end, it's benificial for all parties concerned really" /slapped
Wait, what were we talking about?
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Awesome, I've had enough trying to get any girl to do that.
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06/18/09
Take the Sony PS3 Cell and games for the PS3. There are like, what, 3 games that really shine, but still don't hit 80% of the Cell's capabilities.
Wake me up, virtual.
06/18/09
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except for sims 3 but my computer has the computing power to blindly fly midgets to the orkut belt
06/18/09
You are a rather odd one indeed.
06/18/09
on top of that, i dont find somewhat sharper images and smoother framerates "revolutionary." like ive said 1000 times, i console game because most of the stuff i care about either doesnt hit pc.. or has a pc version that isnt mind blowingly better than its console counterpart.. so theres really no point.
06/18/09
See, we could go back and fourth all day about why you prefer to console game and while I prefer PC. That wasn't really my point though.
While you have some arguably valid reasons, he basically just took a positive comment about graphics being brought to a whole new level and said "this is why I console game."
So like I said, I could say "mods, physics, blablabla" but that's besides the point of my comment, which was to basically say "d00d you just said you console game because PC gaming is flagshiping the graphics department."
And I don't mind console gaming either, I have a Wii and a 360, and until I get things like No More Heroes or Tales of Vesperia on the PC, console will be my favorite, but when it comes to western games, I much more prefer the PC.
(So I guess you can say I am bias toward console because I like Japanese games, but will follow the Japanese games where they go.)
06/18/09
also, random things like the last guardian will always keep me on a console. but yeah.. just because we finally have decent internet architecture on consoles.. i had started to try out a few more fpses. i have no problem with controllers over m/k.. ive bought games like cod 4, gears, resistance, and killzone 2.. none of those games have held my attention for more than a month or so.. i just dont get into them. i still find myself going back to timesplitters or goldeneye on the rare occasion that i want to play an fps.
i actually had started to lose interest in gaming for a while because the focus had been on pc ports or games that traditionally were pc oriented.. its just not me.. so it was pushing me away.
i do wish console gaming was arcade oriented again.. platformers, silly action co-op games, and fighting games. we're getting there.. but not quite yet.
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Agreed.
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06/18/09
Sweet deal ... keep me informed of how things are with it if you can. Too busy to mess around with it, thus I have not joined.
06/18/09
I would do a complete migration of all my data right now actually, if it weren't for the RC not being able to upgrade to the full version when it's released later this year. So I'm holding off for a few months. And they will certainly be painful months.
06/18/09
Sounds good, I currently run XP Pro 64bit ... and never had problems... well had this constant blue screen in this one game with EAX enables on the XiFi when I first built it, as well as on shut down sometimes it would not power off the fans and other components completely when the OS powered off ... but found out it was because my Crosshair mobo bios needed to be updated, after lengthy testing with Debugging Tools for Windows 64-bit.
(dont know why I didnt do that first thing, it usually is the first thing I look at when that happens)
Getting old I think, LOL.