2, What about the "I bought a cooling loop for 60 bucks used for the proc" factor?
I firmly stand on the "can build it cheaper" end. Not only that, AW hasn't convinced me one bit that this is all worth it. To what end, hm?
I own a steel "case" that has no panels what so ever. My power switch broke off years ago, I hotwire my PC to turn it on. Does that matter when I game though? No, and AW can't convince me otherwise.
Instead of spending money on trivial things such as looks, I spend it on hardware. Mind you, not bleeding edge, just simple hardware that makes Most things play very nicely.
For those who wonder:
E6750 @ 3.6Ghz on MSI Neo2-FR, 2x2 GB XMS2, ATi 4850
@smiddy: I take it you don't know a lot about computers. There are several reasons, the most important of which is so that you don't get dust or other contaminants getting in. Computer parts are actually pretty delicate, and things like dust and crud can gum up the works. Worse yet, if you were to, say, spill your drink on your desk, and it dripped down to the computer underneath... bye bye computer. Down for the count.
It's kind of silly what a big deal they made about this, like it was the second coming, but it IS a very cool, useful, smart feature.
EDIT: Finished watching video... "silly what a big deal they made"? This computer is freaking NUTS! ...I want one.
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While they do have many interesting features, I think the problem of Alienware stuff is the price - and I don't just mean 'it's too high.' It's that A) it's a price NO-ONE finds reasonable, just some can afford it, and B) I can build a PC with the same specs for literally a QUARTER what they charge. And the pieces will be just as high in quality.
Calling it infinitely upgradable because of screwless assembly and a fancy, obviously expensive and harder to maintain alternative to fans on certain vents strikes me as weird. It isn't like roughly half of the cases you can buy today don't have a screwless assembly anyway and calling it infinitely upgradable because you can have up to six hard drives strikes me as silly, and doubly so when you consider that socket types with Intel are currently splitting into two directions and PCI Express is likely to be undergoing a major change sometime before the next two years.
So while that may seem silly to me, so does using a fancy air-based heat dissipation method when your hotter components are already on liquid cooling.
Also I'm rather annoyed by the fact that he didn't explain what a motorized heat vent even is. You know, a fan and a vent could be called a motorized heat vent. But thats buzzwords for you. It's not like Alienware customers are typically from the overclocking scene anyway... which really makes all that fancy cooling pretty moot.
@Jonathan Rose: Not to mention, liquid cooling is pretty pointless unless you overclock like a motherfucker.
Sure, it increases component life - but the way I see it, if you're enough of an enthusiast to bother fucking around with water cooling, keeping the solution bubble-free and cleaning algae out of the tubes, you're probably going to be replacing the whole machine within 2-3 years.
@Matt0505: Problem is, it doesn't even look nice. You can get much more functional, easy to work in cases that do look better and put together your own superior machine for a lot less.
@Matt0505: Hardly. The "PC" community have been putting in high quality components in their gaming laptops a lot longer than Apple started giving up their manby-pamby PowerPC (Please...) Processors.
From Falcon to Alienware, to (then) Voodoo and now ASUS (and beyond), we're still rigging our desktops and laptops, and that will likely never change.
--Typing this on an ASUS ROG G51-VX1-A1 laptop with Q9000 Quad processor (Overclocked) with 8GB of RAM, NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260M CUDA with 1GB Dedicated GDDR3 VRAM, ExpressGate function, Hackintoshed partition in it's second HDD and other doo-dads.
NOTE: My MacBook Pro has since been sitting in my closet in it's box for the last two months. (^_^)
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@IsLaNd3r - and the chipmunks: Owning both a MacBook Pro and an ASUS ROG G51-VX1-A1, I am confused as to what is actually right about the statement; especially when the gaming community have always had laptop and desktop configurations available to them (at least since the late-80s/early 90s), and Apple fairly recently ditched their PowerPC CPUs for Intels.
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The hard drive storage at 04:28 is smexy, they should have a windowed side panel to show it off.
Props to Alienware, even though most pc gamers would swear to never purchase this, it's good to see gamers whom aren't into PC gaming (yet) can find avenues to jump right into high end pc parts.
@suntorytime: I'm not sure about the showing off bit, especially when not all 6 HDD bays are used up, but it sure looks far easier to maintain than the setup in my Antec case where the 4 HDDs are in a 'box' that can be pulled out, but then the cables get pulled out of the HDDs making hooking them back up a royal PITA.
@SupaPhly: would love to see someone build you that, for cheaper.
Look I've always stated the same thing, I could build me a much cheaper computer, but motorized vents, hydro cooled stations, not just cooling the entire box with one, but cooling separate area's with several, space for 6 hard drives, that are easily swappable, no tools, you can upgrade every bit to this machine without having to go through Alienware directly.. seriously show me someone who can do all that for cheaper... I was amazed by all that.
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I won one of their laptops when i bought wow... its really couldnt ventilate properly, it ended up ruining the motherboard, which i couldn't even replace cause it was an AMD motherboard modified for an intel processor... alienware can go eat a dick
The gaming laptop has great specs, however what I'm concerned about is power draw. Running games at full blast will probably kill a fully charged battery in 30 minutes! Makes the laptop really inconvenient unless you're near a wall outlet.
@bobombs: Gaming laptops are ideal for people that travel for work and stay over night in hotels. They aren't really meant for the guy on a 3 hour train.
That said, I look forward to the day when battery technology over takes power consumption and we get a month out of a gaming laptop battery charge. Clearly that's a few years away but it will come. (surely)
when i get my 10k bonus this year im blowing the whole lot on the most advanced gaming rig you will see for some time...and ill post pics etc. Im going dual 3d monitor and will likely outspec the stuff you have just watched by about 40%.
maaaannn i cant wait till the end of the tax year :D
@domhnall: Even though you were probably being sarcastic, I personally can't wait to see it. I love shit like that and wish Kotaku would show more ultimate set ups.
It would be pretty cool if they posted it as a discussion topic for everyone - go out and spend 10k on your rig, list everything you would buy and provide links.
The most expensive part would be the screen. How much are 80" extremely hi-res screens?
eh seems overpriced still, i was comparing asus gaming laptops compared to the alienware ones, and they are waaaaay over priced even with comparable performance
@Mike Newlad: Every time I use to go one those community LAN parties I see people with flashy rigs and everyone is awe by them except me and my friends. The people with the flashy cases and setups didn't disclosure what was inside while making fun of our gaming PCs.
When it came to play games however everyone wanted the person with the flashy rigs to host and end up in major fail while my friends and I had no problem because instead of spending money on flashy rigs, we ended up getting better parts even though it looks ugly as sin.
In the end the people who had flashy rigs got laughed at because most of the people had better internal set up then they did, we never saw them again but each year there's always someone to take their place and people with Alienware gets laughed at too for the obvious reasons (they paid too much).
PC building is a art and even if it isn't the best stuff in there, it has soul and people who brag with pre-built computer rigs (i.e Dell/Alienware) has no right to brag. I know some of my friends don't build one but they order it from other pre-built place for reasonable price but they don't get something flashy either just performance.
@Neko_Tech: Wow you guys sound like such losers. Who cares if you weren't in awe initially?
And really, when they had trouble hosting, people went and literally laughed at them? Come on.
Your whole post reads like one of those pathetic highschool comedies, except you swapped flashy cars and jocks with guys with flashy and expensive rigs.
@Pugnate: No they were acting like big shots, we were doing our own thing and they were brag about their pc. We didn't provoke them at all and we didn't initiate the conflict but they thought they were better than everyone. Everyone there laughed at them afterward when it was all show.
The trouble hosting was because of too much lag issue because they didn't have powerful enough rig. Not because it needs a powerful rig but like I said they spent all their money on looks to make it more powerful then it really is and put everyone down saying that their computer is powerful,ect..ect when it really wasn't and had most of them fooled.
Reading back now I can see how you thought that we were a asshole but you weren't there and it wasn't just me it was everyone there thought they were jackass. I have no problem with people with low spec computer at lans but if they talk shit and can't back it up then they deserve to be laughed at.
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09/25/09
1, Why do you need all that?
2, What about the "I bought a cooling loop for 60 bucks used for the proc" factor?
I firmly stand on the "can build it cheaper" end. Not only that, AW hasn't convinced me one bit that this is all worth it. To what end, hm?
I own a steel "case" that has no panels what so ever. My power switch broke off years ago, I hotwire my PC to turn it on. Does that matter when I game though? No, and AW can't convince me otherwise.
Instead of spending money on trivial things such as looks, I spend it on hardware. Mind you, not bleeding edge, just simple hardware that makes Most things play very nicely.
For those who wonder:
E6750 @ 3.6Ghz on MSI Neo2-FR, 2x2 GB XMS2, ATi 4850
09/25/09
09/25/09
It's kind of silly what a big deal they made about this, like it was the second coming, but it IS a very cool, useful, smart feature.
EDIT: Finished watching video... "silly what a big deal they made"? This computer is freaking NUTS! ...I want one.
09/25/09
09/25/09
So while that may seem silly to me, so does using a fancy air-based heat dissipation method when your hotter components are already on liquid cooling.
Also I'm rather annoyed by the fact that he didn't explain what a motorized heat vent even is. You know, a fan and a vent could be called a motorized heat vent. But thats buzzwords for you. It's not like Alienware customers are typically from the overclocking scene anyway... which really makes all that fancy cooling pretty moot.
09/25/09
Sure, it increases component life - but the way I see it, if you're enough of an enthusiast to bother fucking around with water cooling, keeping the solution bubble-free and cleaning algae out of the tubes, you're probably going to be replacing the whole machine within 2-3 years.
09/25/09
09/25/09
09/25/09
09/25/09
From Falcon to Alienware, to (then) Voodoo and now ASUS (and beyond), we're still rigging our desktops and laptops, and that will likely never change.
--Typing this on an ASUS ROG G51-VX1-A1 laptop with Q9000 Quad processor (Overclocked) with 8GB of RAM, NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260M CUDA with 1GB Dedicated GDDR3 VRAM, ExpressGate function, Hackintoshed partition in it's second HDD and other doo-dads.
NOTE: My MacBook Pro has since been sitting in my closet in it's box for the last two months. (^_^)
09/25/09
Wouldn't it be the other way around?
09/25/09
09/25/09
'Alienware recommends Windows Vista'
I love that. :D
09/25/09
And that question refers to now, in 2009, not when Vista first launched.
09/25/09
I run Vista on my Laptop, and I like it.
Just found it funny, try breaking your frown a little.
09/25/09
Wasn't sure if you found each individual line funny or both of them together, which seems to be the case here.
09/25/09
I'm gonna stick with Falcon Northwest.
09/25/09
Props to Alienware, even though most pc gamers would swear to never purchase this, it's good to see gamers whom aren't into PC gaming (yet) can find avenues to jump right into high end pc parts.
09/25/09
09/25/09
I shit bricks.
There are no words to describe how much pain I'm in right now.
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09/25/09
Look I've always stated the same thing, I could build me a much cheaper computer, but motorized vents, hydro cooled stations, not just cooling the entire box with one, but cooling separate area's with several, space for 6 hard drives, that are easily swappable, no tools, you can upgrade every bit to this machine without having to go through Alienware directly.. seriously show me someone who can do all that for cheaper... I was amazed by all that.
09/25/09
Also, pics or it didn't happen.
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09/25/09
or it didn't happen.
09/23/09
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09/23/09
That said, I look forward to the day when battery technology over takes power consumption and we get a month out of a gaming laptop battery charge. Clearly that's a few years away but it will come. (surely)
09/23/09
maaaannn i cant wait till the end of the tax year :D
09/23/09
09/23/09
It would be pretty cool if they posted it as a discussion topic for everyone - go out and spend 10k on your rig, list everything you would buy and provide links.
The most expensive part would be the screen. How much are 80" extremely hi-res screens?
09/23/09
09/23/09
09/23/09
When it came to play games however everyone wanted the person with the flashy rigs to host and end up in major fail while my friends and I had no problem because instead of spending money on flashy rigs, we ended up getting better parts even though it looks ugly as sin.
In the end the people who had flashy rigs got laughed at because most of the people had better internal set up then they did, we never saw them again but each year there's always someone to take their place and people with Alienware gets laughed at too for the obvious reasons (they paid too much).
PC building is a art and even if it isn't the best stuff in there, it has soul and people who brag with pre-built computer rigs (i.e Dell/Alienware) has no right to brag. I know some of my friends don't build one but they order it from other pre-built place for reasonable price but they don't get something flashy either just performance.
09/24/09
And really, when they had trouble hosting, people went and literally laughed at them? Come on.
Your whole post reads like one of those pathetic highschool comedies, except you swapped flashy cars and jocks with guys with flashy and expensive rigs.
Grow up.
09/24/09
The trouble hosting was because of too much lag issue because they didn't have powerful enough rig. Not because it needs a powerful rig but like I said they spent all their money on looks to make it more powerful then it really is and put everyone down saying that their computer is powerful,ect..ect when it really wasn't and had most of them fooled.
Reading back now I can see how you thought that we were a asshole but you weren't there and it wasn't just me it was everyone there thought they were jackass. I have no problem with people with low spec computer at lans but if they talk shit and can't back it up then they deserve to be laughed at.