Honestly, people will bend things so far until it suits their message.
We get it, you don't like Activision or Bobby K. But this is housecleaning. It happens everywhere in all sizes, to all companies, pristine gaming companies like your Valve's and Double Fines included.
Every company in the world fires people, and if they don't, they make it miserable for those people until they quit. I dare you to find a game company that hasn't done either.
So Activision fires some people. You're welcome to speculate that there's some evil person behind it and that your boycotts will somehow make them die a fiery death. But really, this is hardly anything but housekeeping to balance the books. It just happens that Activision's houses and books are bigger. I know that conveniently your heart has grown to care for the people losing their jobs. But if you want to point blame, point at it at the company owner's for agreeing to be bought out. You can always say no.
@Sansatori: It would be one thing if Activision had cut 30 members of Infinity Ward. People would be upset, but they wouldn't be raging quite as hard. But you can't deny that it looks kinda fishy to buy a competing development studio, then can their project, and then fire half the staff.
First, I don't condone the buying and gutting of companies. However, to a publisher like Activision, these things make good business sense. Your Activisions, EAs, Take Twos, etc are always going to be doing things like this because it returns profit very effectively. Again, I don't agree, but I understand the strategy behind it.
A lot of us have been in the space long enough to recognize when companies are going to do things like that, especially in the last year with the economy weighing heavily on practically financial decision we make.
Because of that, we shouldn't blindly point our fingers at the big bad guy for gutting a small developer (something which we've come expect a lot more these days). What about the heads of these small companies that help facilitate the deals or the investors behind them? Those people have just as much incentive to see these types of deals through, knowing well their companies will have to make adjustments (read: cuts on behalf of the parent company). They, however, will see the same payday no matter what.
I think some of these people, not all, should be scrutinized and criticized as much as the publishing giants themselves.
That being said, stay vocal folks and let Activision know how you feel! If they continue to anger people, our voices might be the only thing that could set them straight.
@7ucky: Too soon to get on your soapbox, in my opinion. Some of us are still feeling the sting for those who are now jobless. One of my best friends, who's a model employee, got his walking papers today. Guys like him need to be defended, not the millionaire executioner holding the axe.
@7ucky: Very good point regarding scrutinizing the owners/sellers of the smaller companies.
I've worked in small, start-up software companies my entire career (not anywhere near the gaming industry, but there are similar dynamics) as both an employee and a founder. I've been part of successes and failures and had to shut a company down in a situation where some folks got jobs and others did not.
What I've always tried to do, as both an employee and an owner, is make sure that every is on equal footing WRT how they will be treated in the end game. This includes investors as well. No special terms, no special deals (little differences make for large disagreements). Sure some folks have a larger stake in the company, but if it gets sold they all get their share, straight up.
Now that can be hard to do and we have no idea whether or not that was the case here. It could be that all the money in the Activision deal went into the pockets of the studio founders, it could be that it was more evenly distributed. We also don't know what was said in advance of the deal. Was the studio led to believe that things would continue along - with the added clout of Activision or did they know that cuts were coming? If it was the latter did they let their employees know?
It is easy to have the knee-jerk - Activision bad - reaction (lord knows they've earned it), but the truth is often more complex. All that said - the whole buy out the studio working on a competing product, followed quickly by layoffs does set off all kinds of warning bells.
@LeepNasty: Sorry, my point didn't come across so well.
I wasn't really defending Kotick. I was actually trying to say that there are other parties involved with layoffs like these. Those guys are just as responsible as Kotick is and should receive some of the same collective hatred people show for high profile execs.
@LeepNasty: You're missing the point. The millionaire executioner holding the axe is still just that - an executioner. 7ucky raises an excellent point. What about the judge (or in this case jury) that sentenced the execution in the first place?
@7ucky: That's fair, and maybe I'm a little sensitive right now. Kotick has some loathesome qualities, but I don't envision him as some all-powerful tyrant who makes every decision with blind devotion from his cabinet.
@Slagathorian: Unfortunately, Culladitty: Money Whorefare 2 is coming out next month, so plenty of people on Kotaku are going to drop trou and submit to Kotick's evil.
@OMGLX: And you are why Activision will continue to do what they do. Seriously, if you don't like a business's practices, you can't cherry pick what products of theirs you use. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
@Koztah: Amen. I was on the fence about this after they raised the price of the PC version of Modern Warfare 2 and delayed it, but now that they're shutting down a competitor's game like this, I've had it. It'll hurt me not to buy MW2, DJ Hero and the Guitar Hero games, but in the end I know it's the right choice. This kind of business practice is disgusting, and should not take place.
If there's not already an official boycott movement, we should make one. Take it to the media, show how they exploit the consumer and employee alike. It may not be enough to do any serious damage, but as long as they take a slight hit, I'll be happy.
@Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok: He could at the very least pick it up at a Flea Market, they usually get those before the street date, and just like a used game sale no money whatsoever goes to the Dev.
@Slagathorian: That's true, but even then I feel like it's still giving Activision some sense of satisfaction. They're more likely to try to clamp down on the used market than actually change their business practices. Flat out letting their games sit on shelves to gather dust is a much better way of showing them we don't like their shit.
Do what you want people, please! I just want to clarify a few things so we're all on the same page. Come along!
-Activision aquires developer.
-Activision cuts developer staff, leaving said cut staff out in the cold to die.
-To prevent Activision from doing this again, gamers boycott Activision games.
I follow so far, but let's note that Activision doesn't actually make these games, acquired studios do. So... where were we? Oh right!
-Gamers boycott Activision games.
-Activision cut even MORE studio staff because games don't sell well... leaving said cut staff out in the cold to die.
I said, boycott what you will - you're free to do so! I'm just wondering if there's a solution to the whole 'eff kotick!' problem without actually hurting these studios that work so hard to make games.
@7ucky: Sadly, there probably isn't. At least not in this economy. A few years back chances are a lot of these guys would be able to go off and form their own new studio or hook up with a different publisher.
Now, who knows? It doesn't really seem like they have much job security with Activision to begin with.
@OMGLX: Not so much hate, but disgust. And, at the risk of being pelted with rotten tomatoes, I never found Call of Duty all that intense or appealing. The MW multiplayer is okay I guess, but to me it really isn't all that.
Wow, so we errm "Might be Wrong" about hating Activsion? [kotaku.com] :P
This is pretty much classic MS rule book of Business: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
Also that pic isn't showing up for me. I'm only imagining its the classic 'Kotick grinning' one.
" the studio is reducing its workforce to better reflect Activision's upcoming slate of music-based games." - aka they are making less music games, or putting less effort in each sequel?
@Slagathorian: I don't think it was meant to :P
I think it started out with the intention of writing an unbiased article then realised there was no pro's :P
@Showmeyourmoves: Woot, its a guy on a horse... who we all know is a metaphor for Kotick.
@deanbmmv: That's pretty much how I read it too: "We've milked this genre for what it's worth, and will only keep enough related employees to pump out DLC and sequels, and to polish the urinals. All others: Best of luck Signing On!"
@deanbmmv: Which, ironically, they learned from Apple with their computer dominance in the 80s, and trying to take Microsoft to court over their 'copyright' of the mouse based operating system, something they themselves stole from IBM.
Wouldn't it just be easier to call it the Apple rule book of Business?
@MyBigToe: really? is it that surprising? I'm honestly not surprised with Activision being assholes and all. The gaming industry is changing and it doesn't look pretty. Here's hope that the industry which I love changes for the best.
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@calderon0311: In my opinion, Konami had every opportunity to make Guitar Freak, Beatmania, etc into the franchises that Guitar Hero and Rock Band have become but they didn't and that's thier fault.
@Kamakazie: 7 Studios was the original developer assigned to make Scratch but due to Activisions interferance and buying of 7 Studios, they started holding back code and delaying the release of Scratch, supposedly under Activisions orders. Now they're required by law to hand over all code for the engine for Scratch.
@Takamofo: No, no. Activision is the kid in high school everyone loved but then at the reunion everyone discovered that he had become a giant corporate douche.
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We get it, you don't like Activision or Bobby K. But this is housecleaning. It happens everywhere in all sizes, to all companies, pristine gaming companies like your Valve's and Double Fines included.
Every company in the world fires people, and if they don't, they make it miserable for those people until they quit. I dare you to find a game company that hasn't done either.
So Activision fires some people. You're welcome to speculate that there's some evil person behind it and that your boycotts will somehow make them die a fiery death. But really, this is hardly anything but housekeeping to balance the books. It just happens that Activision's houses and books are bigger. I know that conveniently your heart has grown to care for the people losing their jobs. But if you want to point blame, point at it at the company owner's for agreeing to be bought out. You can always say no.
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First, I don't condone the buying and gutting of companies. However, to a publisher like Activision, these things make good business sense. Your Activisions, EAs, Take Twos, etc are always going to be doing things like this because it returns profit very effectively. Again, I don't agree, but I understand the strategy behind it.
A lot of us have been in the space long enough to recognize when companies are going to do things like that, especially in the last year with the economy weighing heavily on practically financial decision we make.
Because of that, we shouldn't blindly point our fingers at the big bad guy for gutting a small developer (something which we've come expect a lot more these days). What about the heads of these small companies that help facilitate the deals or the investors behind them? Those people have just as much incentive to see these types of deals through, knowing well their companies will have to make adjustments (read: cuts on behalf of the parent company). They, however, will see the same payday no matter what.
I think some of these people, not all, should be scrutinized and criticized as much as the publishing giants themselves.
That being said, stay vocal folks and let Activision know how you feel! If they continue to anger people, our voices might be the only thing that could set them straight.
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I've worked in small, start-up software companies my entire career (not anywhere near the gaming industry, but there are similar dynamics) as both an employee and a founder. I've been part of successes and failures and had to shut a company down in a situation where some folks got jobs and others did not.
What I've always tried to do, as both an employee and an owner, is make sure that every is on equal footing WRT how they will be treated in the end game. This includes investors as well. No special terms, no special deals (little differences make for large disagreements). Sure some folks have a larger stake in the company, but if it gets sold they all get their share, straight up.
Now that can be hard to do and we have no idea whether or not that was the case here. It could be that all the money in the Activision deal went into the pockets of the studio founders, it could be that it was more evenly distributed. We also don't know what was said in advance of the deal. Was the studio led to believe that things would continue along - with the added clout of Activision or did they know that cuts were coming? If it was the latter did they let their employees know?
It is easy to have the knee-jerk - Activision bad - reaction (lord knows they've earned it), but the truth is often more complex. All that said - the whole buy out the studio working on a competing product, followed quickly by layoffs does set off all kinds of warning bells.
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I wasn't really defending Kotick. I was actually trying to say that there are other parties involved with layoffs like these. Those guys are just as responsible as Kotick is and should receive some of the same collective hatred people show for high profile execs.
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Or is it common to layoff 50% of a studio following completion of a project?
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Nothing anyone says will ever make me feel bad about it.
Edit: And please don't sully Frazetta by associating him with Activision?
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If you are so ardent in your hate that you can pass up MW2 on Day One- then my hat is off to you, good sir.
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Silly, don't they know that that money goes to Kotick?
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If there's not already an official boycott movement, we should make one. Take it to the media, show how they exploit the consumer and employee alike. It may not be enough to do any serious damage, but as long as they take a slight hit, I'll be happy.
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Do what you want people, please! I just want to clarify a few things so we're all on the same page. Come along!
-Activision aquires developer.
-Activision cuts developer staff, leaving said cut staff out in the cold to die.
-To prevent Activision from doing this again, gamers boycott Activision games.
I follow so far, but let's note that Activision doesn't actually make these games, acquired studios do. So... where were we? Oh right!
-Gamers boycott Activision games.
-Activision cut even MORE studio staff because games don't sell well... leaving said cut staff out in the cold to die.
I said, boycott what you will - you're free to do so! I'm just wondering if there's a solution to the whole 'eff kotick!' problem without actually hurting these studios that work so hard to make games.
10/06/09
Now, who knows? It doesn't really seem like they have much job security with Activision to begin with.
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This is pretty much classic MS rule book of Business: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
Also that pic isn't showing up for me. I'm only imagining its the classic 'Kotick grinning' one.
" the studio is reducing its workforce to better reflect Activision's upcoming slate of music-based games." - aka they are making less music games, or putting less effort in each sequel?
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I think it started out with the intention of writing an unbiased article then realised there was no pro's :P
@Showmeyourmoves: Woot, its a guy on a horse... who we all know is a metaphor for Kotick.
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Wouldn't it just be easier to call it the Apple rule book of Business?
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Kotick is a terrible human being. There's a special place in hell for people like him.
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With that said, would everyone be saying the same thing if Konami won the patent suit against the RockBand/Guitar Hero Drum kit?
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Your on the wrong site then. We play videogames here.
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