it's all good. I get you're getting at. I used to be that on HATE MADDEN bandwagon. It was justified. I was mad at the exclusivity deal between EA and NFL, because I thought NFL 2K5 was the pinnicle of interactive football. I'm madden guy at heart but even I can recognize greatness when I play it. I bought both games (madden 05 and 2K5) and while madden 05 was fun, 2K5 was a blast. Then that dark day came when EA fucked up everything, but I decided to give them a chance and got 06....worst piece of shit I purchased. 07 was the same piece of shit but they tried to dress it up with control blocking. You can dress up a piece of shit, you can season a piece of shit, but in the end it's a piece of shit. 08 got my blood boiling when they gimped the PS3 version. But 09 rectified a lot of those issues and now I'm satisfied. Is it as great as 2k5?...no. But it's close...very close. I'm enjoying it. The reasons you stated on why you hated the game, I was trying to convey that those methods won't work against me and someone like Zanzibargland (I've played him) and it's strategy between me and him. But it's all good, no harm no foul. take care. ^_^