"Haters Gonna Hate."
What the hell am I reading? You guys managed to put quite a few really enjoyable sci-fi movies on your 'worst' list.
And Toy Story 3 was 2nd best of the year? Really?
And really? Tron Legacy was one of the WORST scifi movies of the year? Worse than Legion? Worse than Alice?
I don't even know what to say. I'm not mad... I'm just disappointed.
And Toy Story 3 was 2nd best of the year? Really?
And really? Tron Legacy was one of the WORST scifi movies of the year? Worse than Legion? Worse than Alice?
I don't even know what to say. I'm not mad... I'm just disappointed.
@Charlie Jane Anders: Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I had a blast, me. Plenty of lightcycles and disc fu. But everyone gets something different out of a movie... shame you didn't get any fun out of it. But I think calling Tron Legacy a 'colossal failure' is overstating it.
I feel like this assessment of the movie is WAY too harsh. I loved it. I figured Tron Legacy would be a pretty, but hollow movie, and I was surprised instead when I got a deeply emotional story to go along with my CGI salad.
I'm really surprised to see Charlie give the movie such a beating. I can see that she seemed to expect it to be more about our relationship with technology... but the first Tron kind of covered that.
This is not that movie, true. Legacy is it's own tale, one that expands on the original mythology and takes it in a new direction. Kevin Flynn, after his adventure in the first Tron movie, uses his godlike control over the digital world to create a new system, the Grid, to be his personal playground and research space. While Charlie seems to take issue with this 'isolated system' idea, that concept is at the very core of the movie. The creation of the Grid is the act of a selfish creator... or a naive god.
At it's core, Tron Legacy is a story about fathers and sons, and about gods and their creations.
The main conflict of the movie parallels the story of the war in heaven, with Flynn playing the roll of 80s Hippy God, and Clu being a digital Lucifer. Clu was made by Flynn to create the perfect system, but feels betrayed when Flynn's ambitions change. As a result, he rebels, and takes control of the system for himself.
Flynn, for his part, is a god trapped in a world of his own creation, who has had plenty of time to realize just how naive he was in trying to achieve perfection, and how the current tragic state of the Grid is his own fault.
Enter in to this Sam Flynn, the son of a God, seeking his father.
The whole tale had the feeling of a Greek fable, replete with Gods and Demigods.
Frankly, I think Charlie managed to overhype the potentials story the new Tron movie might tell to herself. I feel like she had an idea of what it could... what it SHOULD be... and when she got something different, she wasn't pleased. But this movie doesn't deserve the critical beating it's been receiving.
It's not a cybernetic Citizen Kane, sure. It's not a revolutionary, dynamic changing movie. What it is VERY fun, VERY exciting, and absolutely gorgeous from a visual standpoint. If you are so inclined to enjoy it, there's some great mythology there, too, even if some elements really could have been explored in greater detail.
Basically, don't let the anti-hype spoil this experience for you. This is not the Phantom Menace all over again. This is a great movie. Go see it.
I'm really surprised to see Charlie give the movie such a beating. I can see that she seemed to expect it to be more about our relationship with technology... but the first Tron kind of covered that.
This is not that movie, true. Legacy is it's own tale, one that expands on the original mythology and takes it in a new direction. Kevin Flynn, after his adventure in the first Tron movie, uses his godlike control over the digital world to create a new system, the Grid, to be his personal playground and research space. While Charlie seems to take issue with this 'isolated system' idea, that concept is at the very core of the movie. The creation of the Grid is the act of a selfish creator... or a naive god.
At it's core, Tron Legacy is a story about fathers and sons, and about gods and their creations.
The main conflict of the movie parallels the story of the war in heaven, with Flynn playing the roll of 80s Hippy God, and Clu being a digital Lucifer. Clu was made by Flynn to create the perfect system, but feels betrayed when Flynn's ambitions change. As a result, he rebels, and takes control of the system for himself.
Flynn, for his part, is a god trapped in a world of his own creation, who has had plenty of time to realize just how naive he was in trying to achieve perfection, and how the current tragic state of the Grid is his own fault.
Enter in to this Sam Flynn, the son of a God, seeking his father.
The whole tale had the feeling of a Greek fable, replete with Gods and Demigods.
Frankly, I think Charlie managed to overhype the potentials story the new Tron movie might tell to herself. I feel like she had an idea of what it could... what it SHOULD be... and when she got something different, she wasn't pleased. But this movie doesn't deserve the critical beating it's been receiving.
It's not a cybernetic Citizen Kane, sure. It's not a revolutionary, dynamic changing movie. What it is VERY fun, VERY exciting, and absolutely gorgeous from a visual standpoint. If you are so inclined to enjoy it, there's some great mythology there, too, even if some elements really could have been explored in greater detail.
Basically, don't let the anti-hype spoil this experience for you. This is not the Phantom Menace all over again. This is a great movie. Go see it.
I dunno. Sure, Tron was kind of niche film... but if Avatar can grab box office gold, surely Tron: Legacy can do the same?
@InfiniteJustice: I'm okay with it.
In a broad sense, I agree with her. Fantasy and Sci-fi come from the same realm. At it's core, all fiction is about speculation, so I agree with that aspect.
I think she might overstep, however. She points to her ability to write technobabble as proof positive she can write good science fiction. I personally do not believe that to be true of ANY author, regardless of talent. (And I have enjoyed this particular author's work... technobabble and all.)
In my mind, technobabble is more the realm of fantasy than science fiction. It's fantasy magic with a science paint job. Sci-Fantasy, if you will. Star Trek, in particular, is more guilty of this than most... where certain technology is as unexplained and omniuseful as magic in a fantasy setting. It can be used to explain just about anything the author needs it to.
Sometimes that can work out fine, we don't necessarily NEED to know how the flying cars work, after all, but when it becomes the means of explaining or resolving important plot points, it reeks of lazy story telling.
But that's just my two cents.
I think she might overstep, however. She points to her ability to write technobabble as proof positive she can write good science fiction. I personally do not believe that to be true of ANY author, regardless of talent. (And I have enjoyed this particular author's work... technobabble and all.)
In my mind, technobabble is more the realm of fantasy than science fiction. It's fantasy magic with a science paint job. Sci-Fantasy, if you will. Star Trek, in particular, is more guilty of this than most... where certain technology is as unexplained and omniuseful as magic in a fantasy setting. It can be used to explain just about anything the author needs it to.
Sometimes that can work out fine, we don't necessarily NEED to know how the flying cars work, after all, but when it becomes the means of explaining or resolving important plot points, it reeks of lazy story telling.
But that's just my two cents.
I have always said that "the Tron Lebowski" would be a great idea.
I was not wrong. But I would prefer to see a mixup of the scene where the Dude crashes his car, and where Flynn crashes the recognizer.
I was not wrong. But I would prefer to see a mixup of the scene where the Dude crashes his car, and where Flynn crashes the recognizer.
Deadpool Corps has Liefeld art.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR.
@rcs914: And it's kind of awesome. You can actually check out bullet trajectories in the post game. I wish Black Ops showed me bullet trajectories.
@armendni: How about we criticize both? Cuz that's what the Gawker kids have done.
There's room in the world for EVERYBODY's government to be an asshole!
Let us all come together, and celebrate what a bunch of douchebags they all are... with BULLETS.
There's room in the world for EVERYBODY's government to be an asshole!
Let us all come together, and celebrate what a bunch of douchebags they all are... with BULLETS.
Looks pretty good. Looks like the SFX might not be finalized yet... or that could just be the crappy TV rip. But yeah, GL will probably be a pretty solid movie.
Looks like they've gone a bit Iron Man with it... injecting some humor in to the movie. I think that's a smart movie, especially with Reynold's as your frontman. The dude has comedy chops, it'd be silly to not use them.
Looks like they've gone a bit Iron Man with it... injecting some humor in to the movie. I think that's a smart movie, especially with Reynold's as your frontman. The dude has comedy chops, it'd be silly to not use them.
@ratcore: BUENO.
"Wow. Just look at them swimming there. So beautiful. So majestic. So... oh crap, he's turning this way! GET IN THE HUMAN CAGE! HURRY!"
If you break it down enough, all fiction is derivative of SOMETHING.
The original Ghost Rider movie made MONEY?
It is EASILY the worst super hero movie made since the 90s. I went an saw it in theaters... it was terrible.
And I'm not even a Ghost Rider fan! I'm not the typical 'heavily invested comic-fan nitpicker'. It was just bad. Campy, silly, bad. Not what one
expects of a motorcycle riding spirit of vengeance who fights the devil.
Pass on this shit.
It is EASILY the worst super hero movie made since the 90s. I went an saw it in theaters... it was terrible.
And I'm not even a Ghost Rider fan! I'm not the typical 'heavily invested comic-fan nitpicker'. It was just bad. Campy, silly, bad. Not what one
expects of a motorcycle riding spirit of vengeance who fights the devil.
Pass on this shit.
@Matt Owen: I think her implants might be driving her crazy.
And not as part of some long reaching government/alien/cannibal/satanist/fascist conspiracy to beam radio waves from her boobs to her brain to make her easier to control... I mean I think she has silicon poisoning.
And not as part of some long reaching government/alien/cannibal/satanist/fascist conspiracy to beam radio waves from her boobs to her brain to make her easier to control... I mean I think she has silicon poisoning.
WAT.
This is just... the craziest string of crazy I've ever heard.
I mean, just when you think you know what she's getting at, she starts talking about Dirty Bombs and referring to Earth as a She and the American Shadow Government and H1N1 and holy fuck.
Oh, and they're all satanists. Alien satanists. That are cannibals.
Stay in school and off drugs, kids.
This is just... the craziest string of crazy I've ever heard.
I mean, just when you think you know what she's getting at, she starts talking about Dirty Bombs and referring to Earth as a She and the American Shadow Government and H1N1 and holy fuck.
Oh, and they're all satanists. Alien satanists. That are cannibals.
Stay in school and off drugs, kids.
If I ever find out I have a terminal illness, I will get a small pistol, smuggle it in to Disney World, and put a round in to an animatronic Lincoln, after yelling "SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS"!
Well, unless the show somehow shoots the fuck off the charts, I think we can count on seeing at least a few seasons, then.
And maybe some more awesome horror/scifi television.
And maybe some more awesome horror/scifi television.