For me there's perks with BOTH systems, just as there are downsides for both systems.
I think the biggest perk is now if you want a specific game you can just go check to see if they have it and from there decide if you want new or used.
If they're going with FYE's genre sorting though, that's going to be the most annoying aspect, as you won't quite know what something is classified under. In fact the more I read about this the more I think it's modeled after that store.
...Hell, is that store and GameStop under the same corp?
I think the biggest perk is now if you want a specific game you can just go check to see if they have it and from there decide if you want new or used.
If they're going with FYE's genre sorting though, that's going to be the most annoying aspect, as you won't quite know what something is classified under. In fact the more I read about this the more I think it's modeled after that store.
...Hell, is that store and GameStop under the same corp?
FYE is hardly a store "nobody" has heard of.
but this officer's actions seemed overboard to me, careless at best and unnecessarily brutal at worst, and no...
Are you referring to simply the pepper spraying? Or the pepper-spraying into mouths? Though I am glad you admit your anti-police power stance as it allows people to view your sentiments with the appropriate grains of salt.
While I am one who doesn't agree with over-the-top demonstrations of force, the initial act of pepper-spraying the protestors doesn't do it for me. If his orders were to clear the protestors than the spray is his best initial option. I have seen suggestions that the police forcibly move the protestors, but keep in mind that means intiating physical contact.
If the police come in and right away start trying to pull protestors away from their spot, there are some who will obviously resist. That's how the larger physicalities typically break out.
But beyond that, if they forced open mouths to spray in...we have a problem. But THAT is where the focus of our ire should be. Not just on this one man because his is the image that was put out on the intertubes.
Are you referring to simply the pepper spraying? Or the pepper-spraying into mouths? Though I am glad you admit your anti-police power stance as it allows people to view your sentiments with the appropriate grains of salt.
While I am one who doesn't agree with over-the-top demonstrations of force, the initial act of pepper-spraying the protestors doesn't do it for me. If his orders were to clear the protestors than the spray is his best initial option. I have seen suggestions that the police forcibly move the protestors, but keep in mind that means intiating physical contact.
If the police come in and right away start trying to pull protestors away from their spot, there are some who will obviously resist. That's how the larger physicalities typically break out.
But beyond that, if they forced open mouths to spray in...we have a problem. But THAT is where the focus of our ire should be. Not just on this one man because his is the image that was put out on the intertubes.
I agree that I'm not a huge fan of the idea, but I just think it's funny that people are acting like this is anything exclusive to GameStop. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they got the idea from another chain such as FYE.
I've seen the new "All-White" sticker system in stores already, and they're still clearly marked as "Pre-Owned" or "New". So if you're paying attention (which you should be doing as a consumer anyway) then this won't come as anything new.
In fact the concern about the price is really a non-issue, as you'll immediately have BOTH new and used copies in your hand when you look at the shelf and can make the comparison in all of 5 seconds.
Truth be told, the thing I hate most about this is that with New/Used potentially being mixed together, it's going to make it a LOT harder to just glance at the shelves and know what they have in stock. So when they do that B2G1 on pre-owneds they like to do so often, you're gonna have a hell of a time figuring out what you have to choose from.
But seriously, if people are concerned about "t3h stoopid customerz" that will be "tricked" into buying a used product....really? They're still going to be clearly marked on the tag "New" or "Pre-Owned". And if you're too dumb to read that difference then you're going to be too dumb to have done it under the old system anyway.
I've seen the new "All-White" sticker system in stores already, and they're still clearly marked as "Pre-Owned" or "New". So if you're paying attention (which you should be doing as a consumer anyway) then this won't come as anything new.
In fact the concern about the price is really a non-issue, as you'll immediately have BOTH new and used copies in your hand when you look at the shelf and can make the comparison in all of 5 seconds.
Truth be told, the thing I hate most about this is that with New/Used potentially being mixed together, it's going to make it a LOT harder to just glance at the shelves and know what they have in stock. So when they do that B2G1 on pre-owneds they like to do so often, you're gonna have a hell of a time figuring out what you have to choose from.
But seriously, if people are concerned about "t3h stoopid customerz" that will be "tricked" into buying a used product....really? They're still going to be clearly marked on the tag "New" or "Pre-Owned". And if you're too dumb to read that difference then you're going to be too dumb to have done it under the old system anyway.
Which really just proves my point.
I have no issues with the initial use of pepper spray IF that is the proper protocol in that situation. I also see no problem with him waving said spray overhead for the crowd to see.
Pepper spray sucks, it's meant to suck. If it didn't suck it wouldn't work.
His goal in that moment was to alert the surrounding crowd that he was going to use it. This was so that anybody who didn't want to risk exposure had the opportunity to vacate. It was likely also done so that nobody in the crowd would mistake it for something else, such as a gun.
If police were in fact forcing it down their mouths, then that is an entirely different issue.
Pepper spray sucks, it's meant to suck. If it didn't suck it wouldn't work.
His goal in that moment was to alert the surrounding crowd that he was going to use it. This was so that anybody who didn't want to risk exposure had the opportunity to vacate. It was likely also done so that nobody in the crowd would mistake it for something else, such as a gun.
If police were in fact forcing it down their mouths, then that is an entirely different issue.
That comeback doesn't work when the person you use it on isn't pretending to be a noble freedom fighter.
Anybody can say "I'm not afraid to say it!" when they're attaching a fake name to a statement against the gov't. If you really want to impress people with your stand how's about you post it via something that would actually track the message back to you?
Someplace like Facebook or Twitter. Or a blog with your name on it. Something that actually risks your reputation as a person, not some random combination of characters on a gaming forum.
Anybody can say "I'm not afraid to say it!" when they're attaching a fake name to a statement against the gov't. If you really want to impress people with your stand how's about you post it via something that would actually track the message back to you?
Someplace like Facebook or Twitter. Or a blog with your name on it. Something that actually risks your reputation as a person, not some random combination of characters on a gaming forum.
First, I never once said they should fight back against the police. To suggest otherwise is putting words in my mouth to argue a point I never made.
Second, if these bystanders feel so strongly about what they are witnessing that they want to spread it to the world, then why DON'T they step in and help shield the protestors from the spray? They could use their coats, their bodies, they're books bags, whatever they have around them.
To use your misguided car accident metaphor, if you witnessed a car accident and all you could do was stand around and film it for YouTube...why wouldn't you instead put the camera down and try to help out those who were involved?
That's the base of my argument. You say that they're helping spread the message of these protesters by filming the events, well then they aren't innocent bystanders. They could just as easily roll the cameras and film the events while either joining the protestors or protecting them from what they feel is unfair police action.
And yes, you would likely risk your own arrest by attempting to use yourself as a shield from the spray, but at least then you're ACTUALLY getting involved instead of just inflating your own sense of self-worth by filming the events from a safe distance.
Second, if these bystanders feel so strongly about what they are witnessing that they want to spread it to the world, then why DON'T they step in and help shield the protestors from the spray? They could use their coats, their bodies, they're books bags, whatever they have around them.
To use your misguided car accident metaphor, if you witnessed a car accident and all you could do was stand around and film it for YouTube...why wouldn't you instead put the camera down and try to help out those who were involved?
That's the base of my argument. You say that they're helping spread the message of these protesters by filming the events, well then they aren't innocent bystanders. They could just as easily roll the cameras and film the events while either joining the protestors or protecting them from what they feel is unfair police action.
And yes, you would likely risk your own arrest by attempting to use yourself as a shield from the spray, but at least then you're ACTUALLY getting involved instead of just inflating your own sense of self-worth by filming the events from a safe distance.
Quick question for those of you voicing your burning outrage with a seismic passion: Are you already foaming at the mouth about stores such as FYE that have been doing this with New/Used merchandise for years?
The New/Used movies are all grouped into the racks together. And SOMETIMES they put a big orange "USED" sticker on it. But sometimes they don't.
I can testify to the white tags thing, I was at a GameStop a while back and asked about that and the guys behind the counter agreed it was a BS directive. I feel bad for those guys as they have to carry the brunt of the customer feedback.
The New/Used movies are all grouped into the racks together. And SOMETIMES they put a big orange "USED" sticker on it. But sometimes they don't.
I can testify to the white tags thing, I was at a GameStop a while back and asked about that and the guys behind the counter agreed it was a BS directive. I feel bad for those guys as they have to carry the brunt of the customer feedback.
This. THIS. THIS!
By your logic everyone gawking at a car accident is somehow "involved" in the accident.
Does gawking at a car accident encourage the car accident to be any more of an accident? No? Then how is that the same thing? Feel free to read my whole argument next time thanks.
Does gawking at a car accident encourage the car accident to be any more of an accident? No? Then how is that the same thing? Feel free to read my whole argument next time thanks.
"I can understand showing it to the crowd as a warning, but since I'm being told to hate him I'm going to read further into an otherwise acceptable action."
When it comes to situations such as this, there's no such thing as "just a bystander". A protest is done to draw attention to a group's message by using some means of behavior that deviates from the social norm. By sticking around to watch, you are telling the group that whatever they're doing or saying is interesting enough to hold your attention, which to them makes it worth continuing.
And if you choose to stick around, then you have admitted that there is something about the preceedings that you are interested in. There's an outcome that you're hoping to see one way or another. If you truly didn't care and were utterly indifferent you would walk straight by the whole thing and pay it no mind. Which would eventually lead to the protest disbanding due to being ineffective.
And if you choose to stick around, then you have admitted that there is something about the preceedings that you are interested in. There's an outcome that you're hoping to see one way or another. If you truly didn't care and were utterly indifferent you would walk straight by the whole thing and pay it no mind. Which would eventually lead to the protest disbanding due to being ineffective.
Congratulations, you posted a generic outcry against the man from behind a handle on a gaming forum.
Truly you are the boldest of patriots.
Truly you are the boldest of patriots.
No, that's just a trained cop informing a gawking crowd that he's about to use pepper spray, and that if they don't want to risk exposure they should back away from the protestors.
What should make your stomach turn is that there's a group of brave protestors taking pepper spray in the face while a gawking crowd can only be bothered to whip out their phones and cameras and not be assed to help.
They think by standing around and "witnessing it" they are somehow helping and taking part. But in reality they're frauds. The real sacrifice is being made by the protestors who are giving up their safety to spread a message they believe in.
You want to film this? You want to take a picture and share it with the world? Get in there with those protestors and earn that right. Don't just step downwind of the spray while keeping your phone aimed at them.
What should make your stomach turn is that there's a group of brave protestors taking pepper spray in the face while a gawking crowd can only be bothered to whip out their phones and cameras and not be assed to help.
They think by standing around and "witnessing it" they are somehow helping and taking part. But in reality they're frauds. The real sacrifice is being made by the protestors who are giving up their safety to spread a message they believe in.
You want to film this? You want to take a picture and share it with the world? Get in there with those protestors and earn that right. Don't just step downwind of the spray while keeping your phone aimed at them.
That's really the best I've heard it put thus far. Thank you.
In this case cameras and Youtube are probably their most effective weapon.
Only if they follow the proper procedure of making sure to ONLY capture the police response or aftermath of said police response.
Example: The two people who were hit by a car at one of the Occupy locations. All of the "fighting back" was aftermath pics and videos showing the damage caused by the vehicle.
Then the real story got out about how the guy in the car had been surrounded and one of the protestors did in fact start striking his car. And yeah, I know he's in a car and they're outside of it. But in that situation there's a reasonable threat to personal safety and if the only solution is to keep driving my car than I'm going to keep driving it.
Only if they follow the proper procedure of making sure to ONLY capture the police response or aftermath of said police response.
Example: The two people who were hit by a car at one of the Occupy locations. All of the "fighting back" was aftermath pics and videos showing the damage caused by the vehicle.
Then the real story got out about how the guy in the car had been surrounded and one of the protestors did in fact start striking his car. And yeah, I know he's in a car and they're outside of it. But in that situation there's a reasonable threat to personal safety and if the only solution is to keep driving my car than I'm going to keep driving it.
While this was totally expected, I don't really think anybody thought they'd actually go with "Grey".
There's gotta be a better title.
There's gotta be a better title.
You make a very good point. I didn't intend to sound so generalized. There are some great user communities and then there are some terrible ones.
I think it depends on how wide-spread the source site is. Amazon, for example, is terrible for quality user reviews because it turns into a flame war.
I think it depends on how wide-spread the source site is. Amazon, for example, is terrible for quality user reviews because it turns into a flame war.
User reviews are generally useless, because usually the only people who will leave an optional review are ones who had a terrible time and need a place to vent to feel better.
Those who enjoyed their experience will usually just spread word of mouth and not bother going back to leave their feedback because you don't usually feel the urge to vent satisfaction.
Those who enjoyed their experience will usually just spread word of mouth and not bother going back to leave their feedback because you don't usually feel the urge to vent satisfaction.
