Continuing their "why are the shitty bits of Xbox Live so shitty" series of questions, 1UP have asked Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg why the service's friends list is capped at 100. His answer?
There's some interdependences. Some things like original Xbox games have friends lists hard coded in, so there's things we gotta work through, but we'll get it figured out, it's something we want to do. Still, the majority of Live users don't even have 30 friends. But, I agree, my list is full. [laughs]Do that many of you have so many "friends" that this has become a must-fix issue for Microsoft? Really? 100's an awful lot. Especially when you consider only 4-5 of them are actually your friend.
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Lol @ people who friend everyone they play one game with...
I have 3 friends, one of which has been pending for about 6 months. Wtf was that guy.
I think I can safely say this is a complete non-issue for most people.
i have 30 friends. 10 or which I actually still game with.
i got around 25-35 and doubt i will get any where near 100. still they should bump it up for those ppl that need it.
Does it matter? I had like 70 something friends back in my original X-box, but only kept in touch with like 20 people or something. Just delete the ones you don't know too well.
Well, it depends. I have 12 or so on my friends list, because I tend to keep my XBL list culled to prevent the idiots.
My PS3, however, I am surprised it hasn't told me to stop yet. I keep adding more and more people that want to get on the Kotaku-ite's Warhawk clan, so every message just gets added as a friend.
It's pretty huge right now.
Actually, a LOT of people have over 100 friends. It's pretty funny actually. I personally have around 25-30 but a lot of people have this issue, surprisingly. What I'd like to see fixed though is how on Halo 3, you can only have 100 custom things total (adding up saved films, screenshots, game types, and custom maps) which really sucks because it fills up way faster than you'd think and this actually WASN'T an issue in Halo 2 which is funny to me. Either way, they said something about how they're gonna try for this in the Spring Update.
the most ive ever had was like 50 and im down to 29 i remove a ton of people i never play with and if you happen to change your name to something really stupid(one guy that used to be on my list changed his name to something like pisstakerface and was removed)i remove you because i dont wana be calling out your dumbass name and telling you theres a guy behind you.
@PapaBear434: I'm back in G'ville and away from my PS3 in Miami so I don't know if you added me or not...oh well, I'll find out next week :o/
@Samos42: The Halo thing seems off-topic but I forgot to say it's because some interviews say the 360 has a problem where it has trouble keeping track of over 100 menu/user interface things which I assume is the problem with friends as well.
i feel sad, cause i have like... 6. but they are actually my friends that i play with, not just the dude who helped me win that deathmatch that one time...
I usually have about 95-100 friends, and at any given time, several of them are on and I regularly play games with about 50 of them. I have to delete people in order to make room.
I have over 100 friends since I've had Live before even day one. It's difficult to find people that you like playing certain games with, and having them on your friends list fixes that. Also, I run a web comic, so I don't deny friend requests, since it's usually people who read my site. Just imagine how much less popular MySpace would be with a 100 friend cap. Microsoft needs to fix this. I'm tired of deleting friends everytime I want to add a new one.
Yes it is a must fix feature, really. I belong to a number of gaming communities and have a number of friends (and yes, some "friends" too) from esch. My list is maxed and I always have to prune. Between my real life friends and my friends from different web sites, 100 is too little.
The PS3 has this same problem, though the dependency of hardcoded 100 from Xbox 1 obviously does not exist on the PSN.
For a much better explanation, download the LIVE is 5IVE Major Nelson interview. I cannot remember which member eof the team he was talking to, but one of them explained the reason why.
Sure it might not be a problem with most, but it is a problem for enough people, including several Microsoft employees, that it is a matter we are bitching about.
I have what, 10 or so friends off the top of my head for XBLA (Kotakuites, where the blood hell are some of you!)
Something like 100 sounds like a Database issue. My guess is that they hardcoded in the friends limit based on the fact only wanted a two digit number (think y2k like :P )
I'd MUCH rather see a Clans feature for XBLA.
I only have about 20, and I either know all those people in real life, or their friends of a friend. Still, I know people at the 100 person limit, so it's certainly something that should be worked on.
Nobody needs that many friends. Why bother adding them in the first place if you're just going to delete them later? Guess they were never really friends then huh?
The only time you might ever need a lot of friends is for people who are in clans that span several games. Otherwise, no...
I usually have about 80-90 friends at a time. It'd be nice to be able to add even more but what would be nicer is if they allowed more friends and the ability to organize friends into sub-categories.
I have one and are perfectly content with that amt.
Honestly, this is just like Facebook and MySpace. People finding random folks to "friend" them just so the can seem to be popular.
I always here bloggers and editors for portals asking this question as though it was a hard-pressing issue. I think those guys may actually have that many contacts plus the fact that they're personalities will garner them thousands of friend requests. For those guys, I'm not sure 1000 will be enough... it's gotta stop somewhere. 360 has a sweet tiny memory footprint in-game so I hope that doesn't start to get bogged down with silly feature implementation like 1000000 friends list support.
I have about 95-100, but I don't really game with a lot of them, I suppose I only log on for nightly H3 sessions with around 10~ of them, if I need to add someone but am running out of space, I just delete those who've been offline for more than a week, without an excuse..
Needing 100 friends on Live or PSN is like needing a big jacked up truck. You have a small penis.
maybe i'm old school here but any of my friends list myspace aim ect...only have my friends on them...thats friends i talk to all the time and people i need/want to talk to....
that list is cut down considerably when it deals with friends who also have a 360 or the same game as me and i actually have time or want to play with them.
damn friend whores!
more like aquantiance lists or people i bumped into on the street lists...
Anyone who games a lot and finds gaming friends is bound to get a big friends list. All of you people condemning people with large friends lists obviously don't play a lot of multiplayer on Xbox Live.
i was gunna comment till i realized i don't have any friends who would read it
There's no way you need 100 friends on XBL. People who have that much are just being like MySpace users with 6 billion friends. If you reach 100 friends, there's gotta be atleast 50 of them you can delete that either don't play the games you play anymore (no need keeping that friend from Madden 06 that you haven't seen in years), or people who you haven't come into contact with since the day you added them to your friends.
If anything, this is saving people room who might have thousands and thousands of friends, and teaching them to be resourceful.
My friend has 100 friends and plays with most of them regularly. She'll do a sweep every month or so.
I checked my friends list and I only have about 20 people, half of which are dudes I just met playing TF2 and not people I actually know. So the limit doesn't make that much of a difference as far as I'm concerned.
@PapaBear434: Wait, there's a Warhawk clan? How the hell did I miss that?
I have probably around 20-25 or so. I would say 7 of them I actually know. The rest once they've been added I've never, ever talked to again. BUT, it's actually nice to be online and just see what others are playing. It's cool to see what games people drop and pick up from week to week.
I like how people are defending a 100 friend cap like it's a good thing.
I only have five friends, 'cause they're the only ones I know with a 360 that play on Live. But it's all good though. When we play, they invite other friends, and they invite other friends. Before you know it, it's a full party. So you really don't need that many friends... let alone 100.
one time i befriended a guy because he was depressed about his girlfriend leaving him.
@jasu: How the hell did you miss it? It's usually commented about on all the Warhawk posts. PapaBear434 is in charge of it so you could message him about it
I have like... 10 friends on xbox live. They're all people I know in real life too, but even then, I still don't play games with any of them online almost... Ever.
yeah, I suck. The people I play games with are usually at my house anyways.
Seriously do people just all of a sudden add more friends on XBL? Or maybe it's just me who thinks that after kicking someone's ass on COD and getting called every name in the book you don't feel like making friends? if they are random assholes they do not count as friends.
i have like 20 friends, and i play with about 6 of them on a regular basis, the rest, eh...
I have one friend on Live.
He was a friend before I got a 360.
So, basically 0 Live friends.
lol Major Nelson playing PGR 3
I think this is mostly another whiney game journalists thing.
@Kj719: Apparently, I just fail at noticing things I actually care about.
Explains alot, really.
I have about 20 friends, and only 5 I actually play with.
@Dakobah: IT'S RESEARCH! HONEST!
I have about 60 friends in my list, half of which I do not know very well. I've never added a friend myself, these people just add me if I talk to them for at least a couple minutes in any given match or play with them for at least an hour. Unlike some people, I don't use my friends list just for friends. It is very handy to have people in your list you can play new and/or unpopular games with. None of them are immature brats either so I usually have alot of fun with these strangers, since all of them have headsets.
So basically, if it wasn't for all these randoms adding me, I would have had alot less fun on certain games. I will reach the cap eventually and I hope it's increased by the time I get there.
Greenburg is such a fat, insipid slob. =)
I've got about 70 or so on the list, but I should probably do some cleaning. However, I could probably pick out forty or so people who I game with regularly (or did, when I had an Xbox and the time to do so). Different people for different games.
I haven't had my PS3 connected to the internet since school started, but I head back home tomorrow, hopefully to an inbox full of friend requests from Kotakuites. The name's InsidiousTuna- do your part.
I actually have 100 friends. I honestly would like more. I clean through the list when the need arises, and weed out someone who I really haven't played with in a while or hasn't been on in more than two months. It's good to have many when you play a variety of games. If you want to play gears, you have a list on standby. If you want some COD4, there's a list of people you know won't be acting like complete idiots, etc.. But I guess if all you play is Halo 3 and have friends that do what Microsoft says, then you'll be friends with those 30 for a long time because they buy the same games.
It's also good for getting reviews.
"Oh. Assassin's Creed. How is that?"
"Could be better."
@InsidiousTuna (ChickenOfTheSea to some): I'm pretty sure I sent you a friend request last week, so you're guaranteed at least one